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Old 01 May 2010, 03:31 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: Toyota to recall 50,000 2003 Sequoia SUVs


"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> The GM response to the uproar over intake manifold problems was almost
>>> identical to the Toyota response to sludge problems - i.e., It is your
>>> fault. If you took really really really good car of your car, you
>>> wouldn't have a problem.
>>>
>>> Ed

>>
>> They couldnt even say that about the plenum issue. And the plenum issue
>> wasnt a safety issue....or was it?

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> If you ask the lawyers at the Center for Auto Safety it was a safety
> issue. But then they think everything is a safety issue becasue that makes
> it easier to win liability cases. I think GM claimed that if you properly
> serviced your vehicle you would avoid the major damaged that is attributed
> to intake manifold related failures (mostly coolant in the oil, followed
> by total engine failure) - in other words - you might have had to pay for
> a gasket / manifold replacmenet, but you would not have ruined the engine
> if you had the thing properly serviced. I know there is a lot of internet
> griping about certain GM intake manifolds, but I don't persoanlly know
> anyone who suffered from the problem (but then I only know a few people
> with GM products - I know a lot more people who own Toyotas, so I tend to
> hear a lot more about Toyota problems, than GM problems).
>
>> Apparently the Sequoia issue isnt a safety issue either, as there have
>> been
>> no problems because of it...or have there been?

>
> I am sure it depends on who you ask. From what I have read some people
> (maybe prompted by lawyters?) say it is a safety issue becasue the
> vehicles don't acclerate as expected in some emergency situations, but no
> one claims the concern has lead to an accident. My personal opinion is
> that it is a Customer Satisfaction issue. However NHTSA did open an
> investigation and given the current climate, I think Toyota decided to
> avoid any hint of their past habits and recalled the vehicles to update
> the software to eliminate the concern. I think the major gripe of owners
> that experienced the problem was how they were treated by Toyota. You
> know, the usual Toyota policy - the vehicle is perfect, any problems are
> the Customer's fault. From what I have read some Customers were charged
> big bucks to have the software updated.
>
> Ed


I think we agree rather closely on this one.

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