Large Vehicles Kill More! Smart Cars Less!

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Old 21 Sep 2007, 07:13 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Mack and Mike Hunter (the pseudo physicist), would have you believe that
small cars are from the devil and kill everyone in them.

-If you add Large cars and SUV's together. The death totals are more than
those in small cars. Large cars and SUV's are a separate class in statistics
but should go together for all intents and purposes.

Driver Deaths Per Million:

-Small Cars: 108
-Midsizecars: 70
-Large Cars and SUV's: 137
Source: Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
http://www.iihs.org/research/default.html

-Take into account, most small cars are driven by college students who are
young and not use to driving. That accounts for many deaths in small cars.

-Mind you that does not take into effect the Smart car which is a steal
cage, would mostly be driven in large cities where the MPH barely reaches
high speeds, and has a 4 star safety rating for front and side impact.

-Just trying to demystify the ridiculous idea that smaller is more dangerous
and teach the apologist for large gas guzzling vehicles a thing or two.



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Old 21 Sep 2007, 07:56 pm   #2 (permalink)
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GoMavs wrote:
> Mack and Mike Hunter (the pseudo physicist), would have you believe that
> small cars are from the devil and kill everyone in them.
>
> -If you add Large cars and SUV's together. The death totals are more than
> those in small cars. Large cars and SUV's are a separate class in statistics
> but should go together for all intents and purposes.
>
> Driver Deaths Per Million:
>
> -Small Cars: 108
> -Midsizecars: 70
> -Large Cars and SUV's: 137
> Source: Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
> http://www.iihs.org/research/default.html
>
> -Take into account, most small cars are driven by college students who are
> young and not use to driving. That accounts for many deaths in small cars.


Really? Citations that most small cars by driven by college students.

> -Mind you that does not take into effect the Smart car which is a steal
> cage, would mostly be driven in large cities where the MPH barely reaches
> high speeds, and has a 4 star safety rating for front and side impact.


The Smart car is barely available in the US. It has a negligible effect
on the statistics.

> -Just trying to demystify the ridiculous idea that smaller is more dangerous
> and teach the apologist for large gas guzzling vehicles a thing or two.


Then get your facts and citations correct.

What makes you think:

1) That you are going to convince him or anyone else of anything?
2) That he should beleive your supported statements?

Jeff
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Old 21 Sep 2007, 07:59 pm   #3 (permalink)
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if everyone had a '67 Dodge, there would be less injury and death.

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Old 21 Sep 2007, 08:00 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"GoMavs" <Mavz@Mavericks.com> wrote in message
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> Mack and Mike Hunter (the pseudo physicist), would have you believe that
> small cars are from the devil and kill everyone in them.
>
> -If you add Large cars and SUV's together. The death totals are more than
> those in small cars. Large cars and SUV's are a separate class in
> statistics but should go together for all intents and purposes.
>
> Driver Deaths Per Million:
>
> -Small Cars: 108
> -Midsizecars: 70
> -Large Cars and SUV's: 137
> Source: Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
> http://www.iihs.org/research/default.html
>
> -Take into account, most small cars are driven by college students who are
> young and not use to driving. That accounts for many deaths in small cars.
>
> -Mind you that does not take into effect the Smart car which is a steal
> cage, would mostly be driven in large cities where the MPH barely reaches
> high speeds, and has a 4 star safety rating for front and side impact.
>
> -Just trying to demystify the ridiculous idea that smaller is more
> dangerous and teach the apologist for large gas guzzling vehicles a thing
> or two.
>
>
>


Interesting. But of course you'll never get the huge vehicle lovers to
believe it.

I also think a factor might be that those in large vehicles think they're so
much less vulnerable, and take more chances?

Could be.

Natalie


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Old 21 Sep 2007, 08:04 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Nza" ...
> if everyone had a '67 Dodge, there would be less injury and death.
>


Cuz they wouldn't be able to leave the house?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

How many miles does yours have?

Natalie


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Old 21 Sep 2007, 08:49 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Really? Citations that most small cars by driven by college students.


Most small cars are driven by college students. I see the every day at the
university I attend. A sea of small eco cars. Your average family car is
not a smartcar or yaris or any other kind of small car. Most old people I
know drive larger cars or midsize cars.


>> -Mind you that does not take into effect the Smart car which is a steal
>> cage, would mostly be driven in large cities where the MPH barely reaches
>> high speeds, and has a 4 star safety rating for front and side impact.

>
> The Smart car is barely available in the US. It has a negligible effect on
> the statistics.


Who said it did? I pointed to the safety rating.Over-all the smart car won't
be for long haul driving... I gauruntee you that.

>> -Just trying to demystify the ridiculous idea that smaller is more
>> dangerous and teach the apologist for large gas guzzling vehicles a thing
>> or two.

>
> Then get your facts and citations correct.
>
> What makes you think:
>
> 1) That you are going to convince him or anyone else of anything?
> 2) That he should beleive your supported statements?


I don't expect him to believe my supported statements. I know he is mildly
retarded. I am just pointing the facts out just incase there is a small
glimmer of hope that his down syndrome mystically disapears.


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Old 21 Sep 2007, 08:51 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958NoEffingSpam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting. But of course you'll never get the huge vehicle lovers to
> believe it.
>
> I also think a factor might be that those in large vehicles think they're
> so much less vulnerable, and take more chances?
>
> Could be.
>
> Natalie


Possibly... plus SUV owners tend to live in the same areas. For example, you
arent going to find a large sum of SUV's in Garland, Texas ( a lower class
city) but you will find a large sum in Plano, Texas (a higher class city).

I saw a wreck once, where 3 grand cherokees all colided at the same time.
What are the odds?


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Old 21 Sep 2007, 09:08 pm   #8 (permalink)
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This is a completely useless discussion. If two large cars run into each
other, the sheer mass of the impact will be greater. If two small cars run
into each other, the energy will be lower, relative to the energy of two
large cars. But if a large car runs into a small car, odds favor the small
car suffering more damage, that is the occupants will be hurt to a greater
degree than the occupants of the large car.

The Smart Car is a golf cart with doors and windows. It is a completely
useless car for the vast majority of Americans. It is well suited for inner
urban areas, but not as the primary or only mode of transportation because
jit is particularly ill suited for interstate highways or any other kind of
open road.

If I lived in a heavily congested urban area, and never left, then the Smart
car would make sense as a 2nd car. I could use the Smart car for my drives
around town, but when I intended to drive to the next town, I'd have to
think twice about driving that little car. But, a Smart car is really not
very smart, it can't hold the groceries I need for a week. It is pretty well
filled with a 36-pack of beer, toss in a watermellon and two gallons of milk
and a box of cerial, and the weight limit has pretty much been met. If I had
a Smart car, I'd need another car for all of the other things I do in my
life that is not commuting across the Los Angeles Basin.

Carpooling makes more sense to me than a Smart car, especially when I
carpool in my SUV, and a Smart car has the misfortune of getting in the way.

I am not suggesting that they ought not build the Smart car, I'm only
suggesting that you ought not pretend you can shoe-horn everybody into one.






"GoMavs" <Mavz@Mavericks.com> wrote in message
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> Mack and Mike Hunter (the pseudo physicist), would have you believe that
> small cars are from the devil and kill everyone in them.
>
> -If you add Large cars and SUV's together. The death totals are more than
> those in small cars. Large cars and SUV's are a separate class in
> statistics but should go together for all intents and purposes.
>
> Driver Deaths Per Million:
>
> -Small Cars: 108
> -Midsizecars: 70
> -Large Cars and SUV's: 137
> Source: Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
> http://www.iihs.org/research/default.html
>
> -Take into account, most small cars are driven by college students who are
> young and not use to driving. That accounts for many deaths in small cars.
>
> -Mind you that does not take into effect the Smart car which is a steal
> cage, would mostly be driven in large cities where the MPH barely reaches
> high speeds, and has a 4 star safety rating for front and side impact.
>
> -Just trying to demystify the ridiculous idea that smaller is more
> dangerous and teach the apologist for large gas guzzling vehicles a thing
> or two.
>
>
>


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Old 21 Sep 2007, 09:23 pm   #9 (permalink)
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GoMavs wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:NKZIi.33$X23.20@trndny04...
>> Really? Citations that most small cars by driven by college students.

>
> Most small cars are driven by college students. I see the every day at the
> university I attend. A sea of small eco cars. Your average family car is
> not a smartcar or yaris or any other kind of small car. Most old people I
> know drive larger cars or midsize cars.


So this is an anecdote.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

In other words, you have failed to back your claim.

>>> -Mind you that does not take into effect the Smart car which is a steal
>>> cage, would mostly be driven in large cities where the MPH barely reaches
>>> high speeds, and has a 4 star safety rating for front and side impact.

>> The Smart car is barely available in the US. It has a negligible effect on
>> the statistics.

>
> Who said it did? I pointed to the safety rating.Over-all the smart car won't
> be for long haul driving... I gauruntee you that.
>
>>> -Just trying to demystify the ridiculous idea that smaller is more
>>> dangerous and teach the apologist for large gas guzzling vehicles a thing
>>> or two.

>> Then get your facts and citations correct.
>>
>> What makes you think:
>>
>> 1) That you are going to convince him or anyone else of anything?
>> 2) That he should beleive your supported statements?

>
> I don't expect him to believe my supported statements.


You don't have any supported statements.

> I know he is mildly
> retarded.


Really? Unless he is out and out lying about having been an engineer and
owning dealerships, he is clearly not retarded.

> I am just pointing the facts


your opinion.

> out just incase there is a small
> glimmer of hope that his down syndrome mystically disapears.


First of all, I have a cousin and had several patients with Down syndrome.

It just doesn't disappear, even proper treatment and education.

I find your comments insensitive.

Second, Mike doesn't have Down syndrome. I don't think he has much in
the way of assimilating new facts, but, he doesn't have Down syndrome,
nor do his behaviors suggest he does.


Third, you have not offered him anything evidence, other than your
personal opinion and your anecdotes.

The evidence is out there that people in small trucks are more likely to
die than those in cars (when includind single-vehicle crashes and
rollovers), but, you failed to cite any evidence supporting your opinion.

I clearly don't support Mike's opinion, but, you don't provide any
evidence to contradict it.

All the best,

Jeff
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Old 21 Sep 2007, 09:38 pm   #10 (permalink)
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> So this is an anecdote.
> The plural of anecdote is not data.
> In other words, you have failed to back your claim.


I don't need to back a claim that grass is often green in the spring time,
or that clouds are made up of h20, or that decaying matter stinks. If you
think the average family of 4 are driving around in smart cars and Yaris's,
then okay. If you think the average college student is driving around in a
Hummer, the more power to you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. If your
opinion is that I have to supply statistics on everything you don't like
then you are going to be waiting a long time.



>> I don't expect him to believe my supported statements.

>
> You don't have any supported statements.


Make up your mind.


>> out just incase there is a small glimmer of hope that his down syndrome
>> mystically disapears.

>
> First of all, I have a cousin and had several patients with Down syndrome.
> It just doesn't disappear, even proper treatment and education.
> I find your comments insensitive.


How convenient!

>
> Third, you have not offered him anything evidence, other than your
> personal opinion and your anecdotes.


Wrong, I supplied the deaths per million for small vehicles, large cars and
SUV's and midsize cars.

Just because you don't like the fact that I claim small eco cars are usually
used by college students and young singles and just because I cannot support
stats to back that up does not mean anything. It's pretty basic knowledge
that your average family isnt rolling around in a hatchback. But whatever.
You are a suck up and nothing more.



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