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Old 04 Oct 2007, 04:41 pm   #1 (permalink)
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"one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
import competitors.

"That's wrong..."

Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr

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Old 04 Oct 2007, 05:04 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"Ed" <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
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> "one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
> standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
> energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
> import competitors.
>
> "That's wrong..."
>
> Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr


Oh really!! Forcing higher mileage requirements may be the only way to
get the public to consider conservation.

Detroit is not competitive already, in many instances. Economy is but one.


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Old 04 Oct 2007, 06:01 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Only thing I see that will force higher fuel economy is for gas to get up to
around $10 a gallon. Most people have not even slowed down at $3.Over the
road trucks use alot more fuel than cars do and get alot less gas mileage. I
was told they get around 4mpg loaded! Maybe detroit could help them with gas
mileage too.

"Ed" <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
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> "one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
> standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
> energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
> import competitors.
>
> "That's wrong..."
>
> Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr
>



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Old 04 Oct 2007, 06:16 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Get real, GM offers more models that get 30 MPG or more than ANY other
manufacturer.


mike


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> "Ed" <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
> news:a12ed20c55d4965db1a0eedf9f276c11@pseudo.borke d.net...
>> "one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
>> standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
>> energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
>> import competitors.
>>
>> "That's wrong..."
>>
>> Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr

>
> Oh really!! Forcing higher mileage requirements may be the only way to
> get the public to consider conservation.
>
> Detroit is not competitive already, in many instances. Economy is but
> one.
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Old 04 Oct 2007, 06:20 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Over the road trucks do not use gas, they are diesel powered


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"Chevy Man" <oneuser77@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Only thing I see that will force higher fuel economy is for gas to get up
> to around $10 a gallon. Most people have not even slowed down at $3.Over
> the road trucks use alot more fuel than cars do and get alot less gas
> mileage. I was told they get around 4mpg loaded! Maybe detroit could help
> them with gas mileage too.
>
> "Ed" <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
> news:a12ed20c55d4965db1a0eedf9f276c11@pseudo.borke d.net...
>> "one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
>> standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
>> energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
>> import competitors.
>>
>> "That's wrong..."
>>
>> Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr
>>

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Old 04 Oct 2007, 06:23 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Most of us want higher fuel economy. If you build it, it will be sold.

Sure, lots of soccer moms ply the highways and byways of the country in
Suburbans and the like, but they would LIKE to have a Suburban that gets
better fuel economy. If they have to give up the Suburban to get the
economy, they'll pass on the economy. give them the form-factor of a
Suburban and better fuel economy, and they will beat the doors down at the
dealership to get one.

There is no "forcing" required. All you have to do is build the damn thing
and people will buy it. Maybe not everyone, but enough.





"Ed" <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
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> "one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
> standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
> energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
> import competitors.
>
> "That's wrong..."
>
> Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr


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Old 04 Oct 2007, 06:39 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Chevy Man wrote:
> Only thing I see that will force higher fuel economy is for gas to get up to
> around $10 a gallon. Most people have not even slowed down at $3.Over the
> road trucks use alot more fuel than cars do and get alot less gas mileage.


Over the road trucks also move a lot more material per gallon of fuel
burned than cars.

> I
> was told they get around 4mpg loaded! Maybe detroit could help them with gas
> mileage too.


A 80,000 lb truck will move 320,000 lbs per mile per gallon of fuel
while a 3000 lb car that gets 40 mpg will move 120,000 lbs per mile per
gallon of fuel. Trucks often get high mileage, more on the order of 5 or
6 mpg.

Jeff

> "Ed" <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
> news:a12ed20c55d4965db1a0eedf9f276c11@pseudo.borke d.net...
>> "one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
>> standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
>> energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
>> import competitors.
>>
>> "That's wrong..."
>>
>> Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr
>>

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Old 04 Oct 2007, 07:17 pm   #8 (permalink)
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> "one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
> standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
> energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
> import competitors.


How much fuel do NASCAR cars burn...
How much fuel is burned by all other vehicules involved in racing, monster
trucks, dragters, etc....
Would we be ready to give up entertainement to save fuel?
About airplanes.... The NASA shuttles... etc...

> "That's wrong..."
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> Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr
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Old 04 Oct 2007, 07:47 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Ed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in
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> "one of the hoariest of urban myths: That forcing higher fuel economy
> standards on American car buyers is what's needed to encourage more
> energy-efficient vehicles and make Detroit more competitive with its
> import competitors.
>
> "That's wrong..."
>
> Fortune magazine article: http://301url.com/cmr


That article's right on target.

However, for things to _really_ change, somebody's got to come up with
batteries that can be fully recharged in a matter of minutes and can go
200 miles on a single charge. The motors for hi-power all-electric cars
are here now - all that's needed is better battery technology.

Here's a taste:
http://www.teslamotors.com/
http://www.universalelectricvehicle.com/
http://www.zapworld.com/electric-veh...ric-cars/zap-x
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Old 04 Oct 2007, 08:48 pm   #10 (permalink)
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> A 80,000 lb truck will move 320,000 lbs per mile per gallon of fuel while
> a 3000 lb car that gets 40 mpg will move 120,000 lbs per mile per gallon
> of fuel. Trucks often get high mileage, more on the order of 5 or 6 mpg.
>
> Jeff


Based on your figures, we could save a lot of fuel by putting seats in those
trailers and loading up a bunch of people all going to the same place. All
we need is a good name for it and people will want to ride the new vehicle.

How about calling it the People Truck? Or the People Hauler? Or the
Omnibus? Yeah, then it would be shortened and just called the Bus.

Think it would ever work?


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