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Old 16 Dec 2008, 06:22 am   #1 (permalink)
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The temperature at Denver International Airport dropped to 18 below zero on
Sunday, breaking the previous record of 14 below set in 1901. White Sulphur
Springs, Mont., reported 29 below to the National Weather Service, breaking
the record of 17 below set in 1922. Meanwhile, ice storms ravage the
Northeast and the upper Midwest.

This is not a local phenomenon. Hong Kong had the second-longest cold spell
since 1885. Cold in northern Vietnam destroyed 40% of the rice crop and
killed 33,000 head of livestock. The British Parliament debated climate
change as London experienced the first October snow since 1934.

Presumably this has all been reported by the Associated Press. But according
to a weekend AP report, this is all an illusion and "2008 is on a pace to be
a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising temperature trend line." Rather
than being "evidence of some kind of cooling trend, it actually illustrates
how fast the world is warming." Oh.

The report, which includes no comments from any skeptic, says global warming
"is a ticking time-bomb that President-elect Obama can't avoid." It warns
"warming is accelerating. Time is running out, and Obama knows it."
Especially if he relies on AP wire reports.

Problem is, nature didn't get the memo. Geophysicist David Deming found that
for the first time since the 18th century, in the days before SUVs, Alaskan
glaciers grew this year instead of retreating. Fairbanks had its fourth
coldest October in 104 years of records.

U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia reported: "On the Juneau
Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku
Glacier in late July." It was the worst summer he'd seen in two decades.

As the Anchorage Daily News reports, "Never before in the history of a
research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Ice Field witnessed the
kind if snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other
glaciers too."

The consequence of melting glaciers and sea ice is supposed to be rising sea
levels. The poster children for this phenomenon are low-lying coral islands
such as the Maldives and Tuvalu. Again, the facts are ignored in the quest
for headlines.

The satellite record shows the sea level has actually fallen four inches
around Tuvalu since 1993, when the $100 million international TOPEX/POSEIDON
satellite project record began.

As in other places around the world, sea-level changes have many natural
explanations, including geologic changes in the land.

The atolls of Tuvalu rest on sinking volcanic rock on top of which new coral
grows to replace the coral die-off that occurs as the volcanic rock sinks
deeper into the ocean where coral does not survive. Sand is excavated for
building material on Tuvalu. Excavation for building material has eroded the
beach, thus giving to the casual, or biased, observer the impression of
rising sea levels.

The strong El Nino of 1997-98 caused the sea level surrounding Tuvalu to
drop just over one foot.

Patrick Michaels, a research professor of environmental sciences at the
University of Virginia and visiting scientist with the Marshall Institute in
Washington, D.C., notes that Tuvalu is near the epicenter of a region where
the sea level has been declining for nearly 50 years. He has written that
the decline has been so steep that, even accepting the U.N.'s median
estimates of global warming over the next hundred years, Tuvalu would not
return to its 1950 sea level until 2050, much less disappear under the sea.

None of this, of course, matters to the warming zealots and some major media
outlets. If it's too dry or too wet, too hot or too cold, everything is
caused by global warming. We believe, as do many reputable scientists, that
the warming and cooling of the earth is a natural phenomenon dictated by
forces beyond our control, from ocean currents to solar activity. We needn't
worry about one day mooring our boats to the Washington Monument.


http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...14237030606167


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Old 16 Dec 2008, 06:46 am   #2 (permalink)
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"fair minded guy" <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> The temperature at Denver International Airport dropped to 18 below zero
> on Sunday, breaking the previous record of 14 below set in 1901. White
> Sulphur Springs, Mont., reported 29 below to the National Weather Service,
> breaking the record of 17 below set in 1922. Meanwhile, ice storms ravage
> the Northeast and the upper Midwest.



No cities on earth have smog any more. If there were still such cities, it
would be a good idea to continue trying to lessen emissions from various
sources, but we don't have to any more. This is great.


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Old 16 Dec 2008, 07:25 am   #3 (permalink)
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fair minded guy wrote:

>The temperature at Denver International Airport dropped to 18 below
>zero on Sunday, breaking the previous record of 14 below set in 1901.
>White Sulphur Springs, Mont., reported 29 below to the National
>Weather Service, breaking the record of 17 below set in 1922.
>Meanwhile, ice storms ravage the Northeast and the upper Midwest.
>
>This is not a local phenomenon. Hong Kong had the second-longest cold
>spell since 1885. Cold in northern Vietnam destroyed 40% of the rice
>crop and killed 33,000 head of livestock. The British Parliament
>debated climate change as London experienced the first October snow
>since 1934.
>
>Presumably this has all been reported by the Associated Press. But
>according to a weekend AP report, this is all an illusion and "2008
>is on a pace to be a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising
>temperature trend line." Rather than being "evidence of some kind of
>cooling trend, it actually illustrates how fast the world is
>warming." Oh.
>
>The report, which includes no comments from any skeptic, says global
>warming "is a ticking time-bomb that President-elect Obama can't
>avoid." It warns "warming is accelerating. Time is running out, and
>Obama knows it." Especially if he relies on AP wire reports.
>
>Problem is, nature didn't get the memo. Geophysicist David Deming
>found that for the first time since the 18th century, in the days
>before SUVs, Alaskan glaciers grew this year instead of retreating.
>Fairbanks had its fourth coldest October in 104 years of records.
>
>U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia reported: "On the
>Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface
>of the Taku Glacier in late July." It was the worst summer he'd seen
>in two decades.
>
>As the Anchorage Daily News reports, "Never before in the history of
>a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Ice Field
>witnessed the kind if snow buildup that came this year. It was
>similar on a lot of other glaciers too."
>
>The consequence of melting glaciers and sea ice is supposed to be
>rising sea levels. The poster children for this phenomenon are
>low-lying coral islands such as the Maldives and Tuvalu. Again, the
>facts are ignored in the quest for headlines.
>
>The satellite record shows the sea level has actually fallen four
>inches around Tuvalu since 1993, when the $100 million international
>TOPEX/POSEIDON satellite project record began.
>
>As in other places around the world, sea-level changes have many
>natural explanations, including geologic changes in the land.
>
>The atolls of Tuvalu rest on sinking volcanic rock on top of which
>new coral grows to replace the coral die-off that occurs as the
>volcanic rock sinks deeper into the ocean where coral does not
>survive. Sand is excavated for building material on Tuvalu.
>Excavation for building material has eroded the beach, thus giving to
>the casual, or biased, observer the impression of rising sea levels.
>
>The strong El Nino of 1997-98 caused the sea level surrounding Tuvalu
>to drop just over one foot.
>
>Patrick Michaels, a research professor of environmental sciences at
>the University of Virginia and visiting scientist with the Marshall
>Institute in Washington, D.C., notes that Tuvalu is near the
>epicenter of a region where the sea level has been declining for
>nearly 50 years. He has written that the decline has been so steep
>that, even accepting the U.N.'s median estimates of global warming
>over the next hundred years, Tuvalu would not return to its 1950 sea
>level until 2050, much less disappear under the sea.
>
>None of this, of course, matters to the warming zealots and some
>major media outlets. If it's too dry or too wet, too hot or too cold,
>everything is caused by global warming. We believe, as do many
>reputable scientists, that the warming and cooling of the earth is a
>natural phenomenon dictated by forces beyond our control, from ocean
>currents to solar activity. We needn't worry about one day mooring
>our boats to the Washington Monument.
>
>
>http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...14237030606167



Don't worry, President Obama will fix this also.

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Old 16 Dec 2008, 07:39 am   #4 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> fair minded guy wrote:
>
>>The temperature at Denver International Airport dropped to 18 below
>>zero on Sunday, breaking the previous record of 14 below set in 1901.
>>White Sulphur Springs, Mont., reported 29 below to the National
>>Weather Service, breaking the record of 17 below set in 1922.
>>Meanwhile, ice storms ravage the Northeast and the upper Midwest.
>>
>>This is not a local phenomenon. Hong Kong had the second-longest cold
>>spell since 1885. Cold in northern Vietnam destroyed 40% of the rice
>>crop and killed 33,000 head of livestock. The British Parliament
>>debated climate change as London experienced the first October snow
>>since 1934.
>>
>>Presumably this has all been reported by the Associated Press. But
>>according to a weekend AP report, this is all an illusion and "2008
>>is on a pace to be a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising
>>temperature trend line." Rather than being "evidence of some kind of
>>cooling trend, it actually illustrates how fast the world is
>>warming." Oh.
>>
>>The report, which includes no comments from any skeptic, says global
>>warming "is a ticking time-bomb that President-elect Obama can't
>>avoid." It warns "warming is accelerating. Time is running out, and
>>Obama knows it." Especially if he relies on AP wire reports.
>>
>>Problem is, nature didn't get the memo. Geophysicist David Deming
>>found that for the first time since the 18th century, in the days
>>before SUVs, Alaskan glaciers grew this year instead of retreating.
>>Fairbanks had its fourth coldest October in 104 years of records.
>>
>>U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia reported: "On the
>>Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface
>>of the Taku Glacier in late July." It was the worst summer he'd seen
>>in two decades.
>>
>>As the Anchorage Daily News reports, "Never before in the history of
>>a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Ice Field
>>witnessed the kind if snow buildup that came this year. It was
>>similar on a lot of other glaciers too."
>>
>>The consequence of melting glaciers and sea ice is supposed to be
>>rising sea levels. The poster children for this phenomenon are
>>low-lying coral islands such as the Maldives and Tuvalu. Again, the
>>facts are ignored in the quest for headlines.
>>
>>The satellite record shows the sea level has actually fallen four
>>inches around Tuvalu since 1993, when the $100 million international
>>TOPEX/POSEIDON satellite project record began.
>>
>>As in other places around the world, sea-level changes have many
>>natural explanations, including geologic changes in the land.
>>
>>The atolls of Tuvalu rest on sinking volcanic rock on top of which
>>new coral grows to replace the coral die-off that occurs as the
>>volcanic rock sinks deeper into the ocean where coral does not
>>survive. Sand is excavated for building material on Tuvalu.
>>Excavation for building material has eroded the beach, thus giving to
>>the casual, or biased, observer the impression of rising sea levels.
>>
>>The strong El Nino of 1997-98 caused the sea level surrounding Tuvalu
>>to drop just over one foot.
>>
>>Patrick Michaels, a research professor of environmental sciences at
>>the University of Virginia and visiting scientist with the Marshall
>>Institute in Washington, D.C., notes that Tuvalu is near the
>>epicenter of a region where the sea level has been declining for
>>nearly 50 years. He has written that the decline has been so steep
>>that, even accepting the U.N.'s median estimates of global warming
>>over the next hundred years, Tuvalu would not return to its 1950 sea
>>level until 2050, much less disappear under the sea.
>>
>>None of this, of course, matters to the warming zealots and some
>>major media outlets. If it's too dry or too wet, too hot or too cold,
>>everything is caused by global warming. We believe, as do many
>>reputable scientists, that the warming and cooling of the earth is a
>>natural phenomenon dictated by forces beyond our control, from ocean
>>currents to solar activity. We needn't worry about one day mooring
>>our boats to the Washington Monument.
>>
>>
>>http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...14237030606167

>
>
> Don't worry, President Obama will fix this also.




Other than global warming, which is an unproven concept, are there any
proven reasons for reducing various types of emissions?


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Old 16 Dec 2008, 07:40 am   #5 (permalink)
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On Dec 16, 6:22*am, "fair minded guy" <no_em...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
> The temperature at Denver International Airport dropped to 18 below zero on
> Sunday, breaking the previous record of 14 below set in 1901. White Sulphur
> Springs, Mont., reported 29 below to the National Weather Service, breaking
> the record of 17 below set in 1922. Meanwhile, ice storms ravage the
> Northeast and the upper Midwest.
>
> This is not a local phenomenon. Hong Kong had the second-longest cold spell
> since 1885. Cold in northern Vietnam destroyed 40% of the rice crop and
> killed 33,000 head of livestock. The British Parliament debated climate
> change as London experienced the first October snow since 1934.
>
> Presumably this has all been reported by the Associated Press. But according
> to a weekend AP report, this is all an illusion and "2008 is on a pace tobe
> a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising temperature trend line." Rather
> than being "evidence of some kind of cooling trend, it actually illustrates
> how fast the world is warming." Oh.
>
> The report, which includes no comments from any skeptic, says global warming
> "is a ticking time-bomb that President-elect Obama can't avoid." It warns
> "warming is accelerating. Time is running out, and Obama knows it."
> Especially if he relies on AP wire reports.
>
> Problem is, nature didn't get the memo. Geophysicist David Deming found that
> for the first time since the 18th century, in the days before SUVs, Alaskan
> glaciers grew this year instead of retreating. Fairbanks had its fourth
> coldest October in 104 years of records.
>
> U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia reported: "On the Juneau
> Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku
> Glacier in late July." It was the worst summer he'd seen in two decades.
>
> As the Anchorage Daily News reports, "Never before in the history of a
> research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Ice Field witnessed the
> kind if snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other
> glaciers too."
>
> The consequence of melting glaciers and sea ice is supposed to be rising sea
> levels. The poster children for this phenomenon are low-lying coral islands
> such as the Maldives and Tuvalu. Again, the facts are ignored in the quest
> for headlines.
>
> The satellite record shows the sea level has actually fallen four inches
> around Tuvalu since 1993, when the $100 million international TOPEX/POSEIDON
> satellite project record began.
>
> As in other places around the world, sea-level changes have many natural
> explanations, including geologic changes in the land.
>
> The atolls of Tuvalu rest on sinking volcanic rock on top of which new coral
> grows to replace the coral die-off that occurs as the volcanic rock sinks
> deeper into the ocean where coral does not survive. Sand is excavated for
> building material on Tuvalu. Excavation for building material has eroded the
> beach, thus giving to the casual, or biased, observer the impression of
> rising sea levels.
>
> The strong El Nino of 1997-98 caused the sea level surrounding Tuvalu to
> drop just over one foot.
>
> Patrick Michaels, a research professor of environmental sciences at the
> University of Virginia and visiting scientist with the Marshall Institutein
> Washington, D.C., notes that Tuvalu is near the epicenter of a region where
> the sea level has been declining for nearly 50 years. He has written that
> the decline has been so steep that, even accepting the U.N.'s median
> estimates of global warming over the next hundred years, Tuvalu would not
> return to its 1950 sea level until 2050, much less disappear under the sea.
>
> None of this, of course, matters to the warming zealots and some major media
> outlets. If it's too dry or too wet, too hot or too cold, everything is
> caused by global warming. We believe, as do many reputable scientists, that
> the warming and cooling of the earth is a natural phenomenon dictated by
> forces beyond our control, from ocean currents to solar activity. We needn't
> worry about one day mooring our boats to the Washington Monument.
>
> http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...14237030606167


2 trillion tons of artic ice melted since 03. Why not learn about
global dimming from air pollution. Crap in the air, is crap in the
air, nodody can deny that. And nobody knows what effect our lives have
on earth.
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Old 16 Dec 2008, 07:45 am   #6 (permalink)
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

>Other than global warming, which is an unproven concept, are there
>any proven reasons for reducing various types of emissions?


Tell your friends in the media, UN, Congress, newsgroup,
environmentalism, Algore worshippers, etc. man-made global warming is
unproven then come back here and we'll discuss pollution control.

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Old 16 Dec 2008, 07:49 am   #7 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>>Other than global warming, which is an unproven concept, are there
>>any proven reasons for reducing various types of emissions?

>
> Tell your friends in the media, UN, Congress, newsgroup,
> environmentalism, Algore worshippers, etc. man-made global warming is
> unproven then come back here and we'll discuss pollution control.



I'm not interested in them at this moment. I want YOUR thoughts, if any,
about the PROVEN reasons for reducing emissions of various kinds.

I'd also like to know why the idea scares you, and/or why you hate it so
much.


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Old 16 Dec 2008, 08:04 am   #8 (permalink)
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You're right. Better to be safe and kill yourself.

On Dec 16, 8:40*am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:

And nobody knows what effect our lives have
on earth.

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Old 16 Dec 2008, 08:41 am   #9 (permalink)
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On Dec 16, 8:49*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:xn0fyzicu3uvv8005@reader.motzarella.org...
>
> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

>
> >>Other than global warming, which is an unproven concept, are there
> >>any proven reasons for reducing various types of emissions?

>
> > Tell your friends in the media, UN, Congress, newsgroup,
> > environmentalism, Algore worshippers, etc. man-made global warming is
> > unproven then come back here and we'll discuss pollution control.

>
> I'm not interested in them at this moment. I want YOUR thoughts, if any,
> about the PROVEN reasons for reducing emissions of various kinds.
>
> I'd also like to know why the idea scares you, and/or why you hate it so
> much.


Ha! He has to go off to Vanity and Billow and find out what his ideas
are.
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On Dec 16, 8:40*am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 6:22*am, "fair minded guy" <no_em...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The temperature at Denver International Airport dropped to 18 below zero on
> > Sunday, breaking the previous record of 14 below set in 1901. White Sulphur
> > Springs, Mont., reported 29 below to the National Weather Service, breaking
> > the record of 17 below set in 1922. Meanwhile, ice storms ravage the
> > Northeast and the upper Midwest.

>
> > This is not a local phenomenon. Hong Kong had the second-longest cold spell
> > since 1885. Cold in northern Vietnam destroyed 40% of the rice crop and
> > killed 33,000 head of livestock. The British Parliament debated climate
> > change as London experienced the first October snow since 1934.

>
> > Presumably this has all been reported by the Associated Press. But according
> > to a weekend AP report, this is all an illusion and "2008 is on a pace to be
> > a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising temperature trend line." Rather
> > than being "evidence of some kind of cooling trend, it actually illustrates
> > how fast the world is warming." Oh.

>
> > The report, which includes no comments from any skeptic, says global warming
> > "is a ticking time-bomb that President-elect Obama can't avoid." It warns
> > "warming is accelerating. Time is running out, and Obama knows it."
> > Especially if he relies on AP wire reports.

>
> > Problem is, nature didn't get the memo. Geophysicist David Deming foundthat
> > for the first time since the 18th century, in the days before SUVs, Alaskan
> > glaciers grew this year instead of retreating. Fairbanks had its fourth
> > coldest October in 104 years of records.

>
> > U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia reported: "On the Juneau
> > Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku
> > Glacier in late July." It was the worst summer he'd seen in two decades..

>
> > As the Anchorage Daily News reports, "Never before in the history of a
> > research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Ice Field witnessedthe
> > kind if snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other
> > glaciers too."

>
> > The consequence of melting glaciers and sea ice is supposed to be rising sea
> > levels. The poster children for this phenomenon are low-lying coral islands
> > such as the Maldives and Tuvalu. Again, the facts are ignored in the quest
> > for headlines.

>
> > The satellite record shows the sea level has actually fallen four inches
> > around Tuvalu since 1993, when the $100 million international TOPEX/POSEIDON
> > satellite project record began.

>
> > As in other places around the world, sea-level changes have many natural
> > explanations, including geologic changes in the land.

>
> > The atolls of Tuvalu rest on sinking volcanic rock on top of which new coral
> > grows to replace the coral die-off that occurs as the volcanic rock sinks
> > deeper into the ocean where coral does not survive. Sand is excavated for
> > building material on Tuvalu. Excavation for building material has eroded the
> > beach, thus giving to the casual, or biased, observer the impression of
> > rising sea levels.

>
> > The strong El Nino of 1997-98 caused the sea level surrounding Tuvalu to
> > drop just over one foot.

>
> > Patrick Michaels, a research professor of environmental sciences at the
> > University of Virginia and visiting scientist with the Marshall Institute in
> > Washington, D.C., notes that Tuvalu is near the epicenter of a region where
> > the sea level has been declining for nearly 50 years. He has written that
> > the decline has been so steep that, even accepting the U.N.'s median
> > estimates of global warming over the next hundred years, Tuvalu would not
> > return to its 1950 sea level until 2050, much less disappear under the sea.

>
> > None of this, of course, matters to the warming zealots and some major media
> > outlets. If it's too dry or too wet, too hot or too cold, everything is
> > caused by global warming. We believe, as do many reputable scientists, that
> > the warming and cooling of the earth is a natural phenomenon dictated by
> > forces beyond our control, from ocean currents to solar activity. We needn't
> > worry about one day mooring our boats to the Washington Monument.

>
> >http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...14237030606167

>
> 2 trillion tons of artic ice melted since 03. Why not learn about
> global dimming from air pollution. Crap in the air, is crap in the
> air, nodody can deny that. And nobody knows what effect our lives have
> on earth.


It's the wild ranges of temps. Here in southeastern PA we hit 66
yesterday but today the temps will plummet to a high in the mid 30'
and we are getting snow. By Friday we will be back to 65 degrees.

The rightwingnut seniors here have to actually read the scientific
articles that explain clearly what now confuses them.
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