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Old 28 Mar 2009, 08:37 am   #1 (permalink)
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Wall Street Journal

....Once a rarity, traffic cameras are filming away across the country. And
they're not just focusing their sights on red-light runners. The latest
technology includes cameras that keep tabs on highways to catch speeders in
the act and infrared license-plate readers that nab ticket and tax
scofflaws.

Drivers -- many accusing law enforcement of using spy tactics to trap
unsuspecting citizens -- are fighting back with everything from pick axes to
camera-blocking Santa Clauses. They're moving beyond radar detectors and CB
radios to wage their own tech war against detection, using sprays that
promise to blur license numbers and Web sites that plot the cameras'
locations and offer tips to beat them...

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Old 28 Mar 2009, 08:54 am   #2 (permalink)
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"rtc" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
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> Drivers -- many accusing law enforcement of using spy tactics to trap
> unsuspecting citizens -- are fighting back with everything from pick axes
> to camera-blocking Santa Clauses. They're moving beyond radar detectors
> and CB radios to wage their own tech war against detection, using sprays
> that promise to blur license numbers and Web sites that plot the cameras'
> locations and offer tips to beat them...


Just slow down and dont run through the red lights and you dont have to
worry about that sort of crap. Do Americans really believe that everything
is okay, as long as you dont get caught?

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Old 28 Mar 2009, 09:17 am   #3 (permalink)
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HLS wrote:
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> "rtc" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
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>> Drivers -- many accusing law enforcement of using spy tactics to trap
>> unsuspecting citizens -- are fighting back with everything from pick
>> axes to camera-blocking Santa Clauses. They're moving beyond radar
>> detectors and CB radios to wage their own tech war against detection,
>> using sprays that promise to blur license numbers and Web sites that
>> plot the cameras' locations and offer tips to beat them...

>
> Just slow down and dont run through the red lights and you dont have to
> worry about that sort of crap. Do Americans really believe that everything
> is okay, as long as you dont get caught?
>


I don't believe that I won't get caught if I'm not doing anything wrong.

nate

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Old 28 Mar 2009, 09:36 am   #4 (permalink)
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It's a well known fact that speeding doesn't cause accidents, it's
driver's not paying attention. But you can't get someone for not
paying attention. You can get speeders, so that's what they go after.
The easy way to get rid of the cameras is to drive less than the
posted limit. Once they do their yearly consultation and evaluation
then the cameras will be found too expensive to operate.
But if they can't raise money that way, then they'll raise it some
other way. Isn't it better to have law breakers pay the "hidden tax"
than to have everyone pay it?


rtc wrote:
> Wall Street Journal
>
> ...Once a rarity, traffic cameras are filming away across the country.
> And they're not just focusing their sights on red-light runners. The
> latest technology includes cameras that keep tabs on highways to catch
> speeders in the act and infrared license-plate readers that nab ticket
> and tax scofflaws.
>
> Drivers -- many accusing law enforcement of using spy tactics to trap
> unsuspecting citizens -- are fighting back with everything from pick
> axes to camera-blocking Santa Clauses. They're moving beyond radar
> detectors and CB radios to wage their own tech war against detection,
> using sprays that promise to blur license numbers and Web sites that
> plot the cameras' locations and offer tips to beat them...
>
> Continued:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123811365190053401.html

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Old 28 Mar 2009, 10:03 am   #5 (permalink)
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On Mar 28, 9:36*am, Erness Wild <erness.w...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a well known fact that speeding doesn't cause accidents, it's
> driver's not paying attention.


Being intoxicated is a large factor, but speed is frequently a
contributing factor. Stopping distance is proportional to the square
of the speed. The severity of accidents goes up even more as speed
increases.

> ...


> The easy way to get rid of the cameras is to drive less than the
> posted limit. Once they do their yearly consultation and evaluation
> then the cameras will be found too expensive to operate.


The idea is to get people to obey the traffic laws, not raise money.

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Old 28 Mar 2009, 10:08 am   #6 (permalink)
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Ron Peterson wrote:
> On Mar 28, 9:36 am, Erness Wild <erness.w...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's a well known fact that speeding doesn't cause accidents, it's
>> driver's not paying attention.

>
> Being intoxicated is a large factor, but speed is frequently a
> contributing factor. Stopping distance is proportional to the square
> of the speed. The severity of accidents goes up even more as speed
> increases.
>
>> ...

>
>> The easy way to get rid of the cameras is to drive less than the
>> posted limit. Once they do their yearly consultation and evaluation
>> then the cameras will be found too expensive to operate.

>
> The idea is to get people to obey the traffic laws, not raise money.
>
> --
> Ron
>

Read the article or read it again, the point of the article was it has
become a revenue generating mechanism.
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Old 28 Mar 2009, 10:19 am   #7 (permalink)
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On Mar 28, 8:37*am, "rtc" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>
wrote:
> Wall Street Journal
>
> ...Once a rarity, traffic cameras are filming away across the country. And
> they're not just focusing their sights on red-light runners. The latest
> technology includes cameras that keep tabs on highways to catch speeders in
> the act and infrared license-plate readers that nab ticket and tax
> scofflaws.
>
> Drivers -- many accusing law enforcement of using spy tactics to trap
> unsuspecting citizens -- are fighting back with everything from pick axesto
> camera-blocking Santa Clauses. They're moving beyond radar detectors and CB
> radios to wage their own tech war against detection, using sprays that
> promise to blur license numbers and Web sites that plot the cameras'
> locations and offer tips to beat them...
>
> Continued:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123811365190053401.html


Just get a can of clear high gloss spray Poly or Acrilic finish, spray
it on a plate and a Clear Lisence plate cover, the reflection will
overexpose the camera at the plate, or you can spend 40$ for a can of
the same.
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Old 28 Mar 2009, 10:28 am   #8 (permalink)
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"HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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> "rtc" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
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>> Drivers -- many accusing law enforcement of using spy tactics to trap
>> unsuspecting citizens -- are fighting back with everything from pick axes
>> to camera-blocking Santa Clauses. They're moving beyond radar detectors
>> and CB radios to wage their own tech war against detection, using sprays
>> that promise to blur license numbers and Web sites that plot the cameras'
>> locations and offer tips to beat them...

>
> Just slow down and dont run through the red lights and you dont have to
> worry about that sort of crap. Do Americans really believe that
> everything
> is okay, as long as you dont get caught?
>


You obviously have never driven in Chicago traffic, or you would understand
that the above sentence is an utter impossibility here. People are already
getting rearended here because they jam on the brakes on a yellow now at
these redlight cameras.

Sir Charles THE Curmudgeon


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Old 28 Mar 2009, 10:35 am   #9 (permalink)
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"Fat Moe" <FatMoe@BubbleWorld.Com> wrote in message news:49ce3d4d$0$5464
> Read the article or read it again, the point of the article was it has
> become a revenue generating mechanism.


I understand that part. Cops have long used zealous prosecution as a
revenue generating
mechanism. Usually (but certainly not always), however, if you aren't
breaking a law, they
dont catch you in the snare.

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Old 28 Mar 2009, 10:35 am   #10 (permalink)
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"Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 28, 9:36 am, Erness Wild <erness.w...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a well known fact that speeding doesn't cause accidents, it's
> driver's not paying attention.


Being intoxicated is a large factor, but speed is frequently a
contributing factor. Stopping distance is proportional to the square
of the speed. The severity of accidents goes up even more as speed
increases.

> ...


> The easy way to get rid of the cameras is to drive less than the
> posted limit. Once they do their yearly consultation and evaluation
> then the cameras will be found too expensive to operate.


The idea is to get people to obey the traffic laws, not raise money.

--
Ron

WRONG. Here in Chicago, everybody breaks the law. They 'increase
enforcement' not to get people to obey the law, but to raise revenue, just
like your typical speed trap does. That's why a certain stretch of I-294 is
always 'under construction', so they can fine you 375 at a minimum and not
just 100 or so.

It's all a 'revenue' gimmick. They can't raise taxes, so they harrass you
with tickets. Cops gotta pay for their donuts somehow.

In Illinois, a lot of the traffic laws make no sense anyway. It's been a
law since 1965 to signal at least 100 feet before making a turn, and when
changing lanes, and nobody does it here.

Sir Charles THE Curmudgeon.


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