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Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar
wedges
Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce
as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.


By Andrew Gilligan
Published: 10:55PM GMT 05 Dec 2009

On a normal day, Majken Friss Jorgensen, managing director of
Copenhagen's biggest limousine company, says her firm has twelve
vehicles on the road. During the "summit to save the world", which opens
here tomorrow, she will have 200.

"We thought they were not going to have many cars, due to it being a
climate convention," she says. "But it seems that somebody last week
looked at the weather report."

Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of
limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The
French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got
enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're
having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden."

And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number?
"Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel
cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in
Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes
no sense at all, but it's very Danish."

The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the
peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to
fly off to regional airports * or to Sweden * to park, returning to
Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers.

As well 15,000 delegates and officials, 5,000 journalists and 98 world
leaders, the Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo
DiCaprio, Daryl Hannah, Helena Christensen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and
Prince Charles. A Republican US senator, Jim Inhofe, is jetting in at
the head of an anti-climate-change "Truth Squad." The top hotels * all
fully booked at 650 a night * are readying their Climate Convention
menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar
wedges.

At the takeaway pizza end of the spectrum, Copenhagen's clean pavements
are starting to fill with slightly less well-scrubbed protesters from
all over Europe. In the city's famous anarchist commune of Christiania
this morning, among the hash dealers and heavily-graffitied walls, they
started their two-week "Climate Bottom Meeting," complete with a
"storytelling yurt" and a "funeral of the day" for various corrupt,
"heatist" concepts such as "economic growth".

The Danish government is cunningly spending a million kroner (120,000)
to give the protesters KlimaForum, a "parallel conference" in the
magnificent DGI-byen sports centre. The hope, officials admit, is that
they will work off their youthful energies on the climbing wall,
state-of-the-art swimming pools and bowling alley, Just in case,
however, Denmark has taken delivery of its first-ever water-cannon * one
of the newspapers is running a competition to suggest names for it *
plus sweeping new police powers. The authorities have been proudly
showing us their new temporary prison, 360 cages in a disused brewery,
housing 4,000 detainees.

And this being Scandinavia, even the prostitutes are doing their bit for
the planet. Outraged by a council postcard urging delegates to "be
sustainable, don't buy sex," the local sex workers' union * they have
unions here * has announced that all its 1,400 members will give free
intercourse to anyone with a climate conference delegate's pass. The
term "carbon dating" just took on an entirely new meaning.

At least the sex will be C02-neutral. According to the organisers, the
eleven-day conference, including the participants' travel, will create a
total of 41,000 tonnes of "carbon dioxide equivalent", equal to the
amount produced over the same period by a city the size of Middlesbrough.

The temptation, then, is to dismiss the whole thing as a ridiculous
circus. Many of the participants do not really need to be here. And far
from "saving the world," the world's leaders have already agreed that
this conference will not produce any kind of binding deal, merely an
interim statement of intent.

Instead of swift and modest reductions in carbon * say, two per cent a
year, starting next year * for which they could possibly be held
accountable, the politicians will bandy around grandiose targets of
80-per-cent-plus by 2050, by which time few of the leaders at Copenhagen
will even be alive, let alone still in office.

Even if they had agreed anything binding, past experience suggests that
the participants would not, in fact, feel bound by it. Most countries *
Britain excepted * are on course to break the modest pledges they made
at the last major climate summit, in Kyoto.

And as the delegates meet, they do so under a shadow. For the first
time, not just the methods but the entire purpose of the climate change
agenda is being questioned. Leaked emails showing key scientists
conspiring to fix data that undermined their case have boosted the
sceptic lobby. Australia has voted down climate change laws. Last week's
unusually strident attack by the Energy Secretary, Ed Miliband, on
climate change "saboteurs" reflected real fear in government that
momentum is slipping away from the cause.

In Copenhagen there was a humbler note among some delegates. "If we
fail, one reason could be our overconfidence," said Simron Jit Singh, of
the Institute of Social Ecology. "Because we are here, talking in a
group of people who probably agree with each other, we can be blinded to
the challenges of the other side. We feel that we are the good guys, the
selfless saviours, and they are the bad guys."

As Mr Singh suggests, the interesting question is perhaps not whether
the climate changers have got the science right * they probably have *
but whether they have got the pitch right. Some campaigners' apocalyptic
predictions and religious righteousness * funeral ceremonies for
economic growth and the like * can be alienating, and may help explain
why the wider public does not seem to share the urgency felt by those in
Copenhagen this week.

In a rather perceptive recent comment, Mr Miliband said it was vital to
give people a positive vision of a low-carbon future. "If Martin Luther
King had come along and said 'I have a nightmare,' people would not have
followed him," he said.

Over the next two weeks, that positive vision may come not from the
overheated rhetoric in the conference centre, but from Copenhagen
itself. Limos apart, it is a city filled entirely with bicycles, stuffed
with retrofitted, energy-efficient old buildings, and seems to embody
the civilised pleasures of low-carbon living without any of the
puritanism so beloved of British greens.

And inside the hall, not everything is looking bad. Even the sudden rush
for limos may be a good sign. It means that more top people are coming,
which means they scent something could be going right here.

The US, which rejected Kyoto, is on board now, albeit too tentatively
for most delegates. President Obama's decision to stay later in
Copenhagen may signal some sort of agreement between America and China:
a necessity for any real global action, and something that could be
presented as a "victory" for the talks.

The hot air this week will be massive, the whole proceedings eminently
mockable, but it would be far too early to write off this conference as
a failure.
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Old 07 Dec 2009, 06:29 am   #2 (permalink)
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dbu'' wrote:
> <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...-confe/6736517
> /Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedge
> s.html>
>
> Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar
> wedges
> Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce
> as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.
>
>
> By Andrew Gilligan
> Published: 10:55PM GMT 05 Dec 2009
>
> On a normal day, Majken Friss Jorgensen, managing director of
> Copenhagen's biggest limousine company, says her firm has twelve
> vehicles on the road. During the "summit to save the world", which opens
> here tomorrow, she will have 200.
>
> "We thought they were not going to have many cars, due to it being a
> climate convention," she says. "But it seems that somebody last week
> looked at the weather report."
>
> Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of
> limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The
> French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got
> enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're
> having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden."
>
> And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number?
> "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel
> cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in
> Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes
> no sense at all, but it's very Danish."
>
> The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the
> peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to
> fly off to regional airports * or to Sweden * to park, returning to
> Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers.
>
> As well 15,000 delegates and officials, 5,000 journalists and 98 world
> leaders, the Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo
> DiCaprio, Daryl Hannah, Helena Christensen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and
> Prince Charles. A Republican US senator, Jim Inhofe, is jetting in at
> the head of an anti-climate-change "Truth Squad." The top hotels * all
> fully booked at 650 a night * are readying their Climate Convention
> menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar
> wedges.
>
> At the takeaway pizza end of the spectrum, Copenhagen's clean pavements
> are starting to fill with slightly less well-scrubbed protesters from
> all over Europe. In the city's famous anarchist commune of Christiania
> this morning, among the hash dealers and heavily-graffitied walls, they
> started their two-week "Climate Bottom Meeting," complete with a
> "storytelling yurt" and a "funeral of the day" for various corrupt,
> "heatist" concepts such as "economic growth".
>
> The Danish government is cunningly spending a million kroner (120,000)
> to give the protesters KlimaForum, a "parallel conference" in the
> magnificent DGI-byen sports centre. The hope, officials admit, is that
> they will work off their youthful energies on the climbing wall,
> state-of-the-art swimming pools and bowling alley, Just in case,
> however, Denmark has taken delivery of its first-ever water-cannon * one
> of the newspapers is running a competition to suggest names for it *
> plus sweeping new police powers. The authorities have been proudly
> showing us their new temporary prison, 360 cages in a disused brewery,
> housing 4,000 detainees.
>
> And this being Scandinavia, even the prostitutes are doing their bit for
> the planet. Outraged by a council postcard urging delegates to "be
> sustainable, don't buy sex," the local sex workers' union * they have
> unions here * has announced that all its 1,400 members will give free
> intercourse to anyone with a climate conference delegate's pass. The
> term "carbon dating" just took on an entirely new meaning.
>
> At least the sex will be C02-neutral. According to the organisers, the
> eleven-day conference, including the participants' travel, will create a
> total of 41,000 tonnes of "carbon dioxide equivalent", equal to the
> amount produced over the same period by a city the size of Middlesbrough.
>
> The temptation, then, is to dismiss the whole thing as a ridiculous
> circus. Many of the participants do not really need to be here. And far
> from "saving the world," the world's leaders have already agreed that
> this conference will not produce any kind of binding deal, merely an
> interim statement of intent.
>
> Instead of swift and modest reductions in carbon * say, two per cent a
> year, starting next year * for which they could possibly be held
> accountable, the politicians will bandy around grandiose targets of
> 80-per-cent-plus by 2050, by which time few of the leaders at Copenhagen
> will even be alive, let alone still in office.
>
> Even if they had agreed anything binding, past experience suggests that
> the participants would not, in fact, feel bound by it. Most countries *
> Britain excepted * are on course to break the modest pledges they made
> at the last major climate summit, in Kyoto.
>
> And as the delegates meet, they do so under a shadow. For the first
> time, not just the methods but the entire purpose of the climate change
> agenda is being questioned. Leaked emails showing key scientists
> conspiring to fix data that undermined their case have boosted the
> sceptic lobby. Australia has voted down climate change laws. Last week's
> unusually strident attack by the Energy Secretary, Ed Miliband, on
> climate change "saboteurs" reflected real fear in government that
> momentum is slipping away from the cause.
>
> In Copenhagen there was a humbler note among some delegates. "If we
> fail, one reason could be our overconfidence," said Simron Jit Singh, of
> the Institute of Social Ecology. "Because we are here, talking in a
> group of people who probably agree with each other, we can be blinded to
> the challenges of the other side. We feel that we are the good guys, the
> selfless saviours, and they are the bad guys."
>
> As Mr Singh suggests, the interesting question is perhaps not whether
> the climate changers have got the science right * they probably have *
> but whether they have got the pitch right. Some campaigners' apocalyptic
> predictions and religious righteousness * funeral ceremonies for
> economic growth and the like * can be alienating, and may help explain
> why the wider public does not seem to share the urgency felt by those in
> Copenhagen this week.
>
> In a rather perceptive recent comment, Mr Miliband said it was vital to
> give people a positive vision of a low-carbon future. "If Martin Luther
> King had come along and said 'I have a nightmare,' people would not have
> followed him," he said.
>
> Over the next two weeks, that positive vision may come not from the
> overheated rhetoric in the conference centre, but from Copenhagen
> itself. Limos apart, it is a city filled entirely with bicycles, stuffed
> with retrofitted, energy-efficient old buildings, and seems to embody
> the civilised pleasures of low-carbon living without any of the
> puritanism so beloved of British greens.
>
> And inside the hall, not everything is looking bad. Even the sudden rush
> for limos may be a good sign. It means that more top people are coming,
> which means they scent something could be going right here.
>
> The US, which rejected Kyoto, is on board now, albeit too tentatively
> for most delegates. President Obama's decision to stay later in
> Copenhagen may signal some sort of agreement between America and China:
> a necessity for any real global action, and something that could be
> presented as a "victory" for the talks.
>
> The hot air this week will be massive, the whole proceedings eminently
> mockable, but it would be far too early to write off this conference as
> a failure.


Translated,
These people (the ones with the real power and money) know there are
sheep to fleece and a big pile of money to be made, and they are going
to get a big chunk of it one way or the other. They always do, they
make the rules for the game and change them when ever needed as the game
goes along. The object is to always win the game and they do.
Ozone depletion was played and paid out pretty well, that got their
attention! Ethanol has been good to some of them, but these are small
potatoes compared to what global warming will be worth. Not to worry
they won't let us starve or freeze, we are valuable for wool and
entertainment. Invest wisely, ride the shirt tails of the big boys and
you will do better than your coworkers, boss and neighbors.
Get yourself comfortable and enjoy the show.


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Old 07 Dec 2009, 11:03 am   #3 (permalink)
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:09:47 -0600, dbu'' wrote:


> Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar
> wedges
> Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce
> as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.


HEY! These are the ture believers on Global Warming, and the front line
in the battle to take action to stop it. You going to begrudge them a
little caviar?

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Old 07 Dec 2009, 09:51 pm   #4 (permalink)
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:29:43 -0600, FatterDumber& Happier Moe wrote:

>> The US, which rejected Kyoto, is on board now, albeit too tentatively
>> for most delegates. President Obama's decision to stay later in
>> Copenhagen may signal some sort of agreement between America and China:
>> a necessity for any real global action, and something that could be
>> presented as a "victory" for the talks.
>>
>> The hot air this week will be massive, the whole proceedings eminently
>> mockable, but it would be far too early to write off this conference as
>> a failure.

>
> Translated,
> These people (the ones with the real power and money) know there are
> sheep to fleece and a big pile of money to be made, and they are going to
> get a big chunk of it one way or the other. They always do, they make the
> rules for the game and change them when ever needed as the game goes
> along. The object is to always win the game and they do.
> Ozone depletion was played and paid out pretty well, that got their
> attention! Ethanol has been good to some of them, but these are small
> potatoes compared to what global warming will be worth. Not to worry they
> won't let us starve or freeze, we are valuable for wool and entertainment.
> Invest wisely, ride the shirt tails of the big boys and you will do
> better than your coworkers, boss and neighbors.
> Get yourself comfortable and enjoy the show.


These are the people who want YOU to drive something like a Smart Car,
they want YOU to use flourescent bulbs, they want YOU to turn down the
thermostat in the winter and turn it up in the summer, they want YOU to
bend over backwards, but when it comes to themselves, well, that's for the
Commoners to do! We'll just buy Carbon Credits and get the Warm Fuzzies...

Remember when the Big Three presidents showed up in Washington in private
jets? Remember how the Lefties hooted and hollered? Where is it now?

What they could have doen: chartered ONE jet, and flown it around the
world picking these people up, landing fully loaded in Copenhagen. Even
the first (or last) person off the jet, travelling alone, would cause less
pollution and cost less.

Anyone who listens to these people need to be examined, especially in
light of the memos that have been released.

It's been a week or ten days now, where's the reports refuting the emails,
or saying they were faked? Why have people resigned over it? And WHERE is
the investigation into the hoodwinking of the people.


Feh...



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"Hachiroku" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:09:47 -0600, dbu'' wrote:
>
>
>> Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar
>> wedges
>> Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce
>> as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.

>
> HEY! These are the ture believers on Global Warming, and the front line
> in the battle to take action to stop it. You going to begrudge them a
> little caviar?
>



Yeah. The true believer on Global Warming.

Whatever you Say, perfesser.


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On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:08:45 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:hfj90d$j6t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:09:47 -0600, dbu'' wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar
>>> wedges
>>> Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce
>>> as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.

>>
>> HEY! These are the true believers in Global Warming, and the front line
>> in the battle to take action to stop it. You going to begrudge them a
>> little caviar?
>>
>>
>>

> Yeah. The true believer in Global Warming.
>
> Whatever you Say, perfesser.


So, what do you suppose they're doing there? Tiddly Winks?

That actually would just about sum it the summit up nicely.



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