2009 Camry LE V6 Reliability

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Old 09 Dec 2008, 10:39 am   #1 (permalink)
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Default 2009 Camry LE V6 Reliability

Can't seem to find this information anywhere...

Does anyone know if the reported reliability problems of the Camry LE
V6 have been solved by Toyota, or are there still issues with the 2009
models?

Thanks.

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Old 09 Dec 2008, 12:24 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"pixel_a_ted" <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Can't seem to find this information anywhere...
>
> Does anyone know if the reported reliability problems of the Camry
> LE
> V6 have been solved by Toyota, or are there still issues with the
> 2009
> models?
>
> Thanks.


For what it is worth, Consumer Reports shows the "transmission minor"
reliability rating for the 2008 Camry V6 as very good, versus poor for
2007, and good for 2005 and 2006. Very good is the same rating as for
2003 and 2004 V6 Camrys for this category. This indicates to me that
Toyota had ironed out the V6 transmission bugs by 2008, so I would
expect a 2009 V6 to be fine. All other reliability categories for a
2008 Camry were excellent. The 2009 V6 Camry is a CR Recommended car.

Ed

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Old 09 Dec 2008, 01:12 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info.

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Old 09 Dec 2008, 08:13 pm   #4 (permalink)
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The 3.5L V6 is reported to have piston slap problems. This included a
Lexus owner (on ClubLexus IIRC) who decided to try other new cars on
the dealer lot and found they all do the same. There would other
explanations from the sales department, but I'd say poor production
tolerances and cheap higher expansion, non-hypereutectic pistons.



On Dec 9, 8:39*am, pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Can't seem to find this information anywhere...
>
> Does anyone know if the reported reliability problems of the Camry LE
> V6 have been solved by Toyota, or are there still issues with the 2009
> models?
>
> Thanks.


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Old 11 Dec 2008, 09:25 am   #5 (permalink)
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<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The 3.5L V6 is reported to have piston slap problems. This included
> a
> Lexus owner (on ClubLexus IIRC) who decided to try other new cars on
> the dealer lot and found they all do the same. There would other
> explanations from the sales department, but I'd say poor production
> tolerances and cheap higher expansion, non-hypereutectic pistons.


This is nothing new for Toyota engines. When I was shopping for a
Tundra (prior "good" generation), 3 out of 3 exhibited piston slap
when cold. I suspect this will not actually cause any problems.
However, when GM engines do this, people go ballistic.

I think this is actually a case where Toyota is tying to keep engine
tolerances to a razors edge in order to maximize power and fuel
economy (and minimize cost). I know people react to the noise poorly.
I would love to know if it was actually a long term problem.

Ed

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Old 11 Dec 2008, 08:47 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Piston slap means excessive piston-bore clearance. Period. Selective
piston-bore fit and low expansion hypereutectic pistsons are available
and can be used to solve this, but they both cost more money. It's
plain and simple just a cost cutting move.

The GM piston slap problem occurred when they switch from selective
piston-bore fit to in-spec fit. Again, it's a cost cutting move.

So while some don't mind piston slaps, in any new engine I call it
cheap.



On Dec 11, 7:25*am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
wrote:
> This is nothing new for Toyota engines. When I was shopping for a
> Tundra (prior "good" generation), 3 out of 3 exhibited piston slap
> when cold. I suspect this will not actually cause any problems.
> However, when GM engines do this, people go ballistic.
>
> I think this is actually a case where Toyota is tying to keep engine
> tolerances to a razors edge in order to maximize power and fuel
> economy (and minimize cost). I know people react to the noise poorly.
> I would love to know if it was actually a long term problem.
>
> Ed


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Old 11 Dec 2008, 09:02 pm   #7 (permalink)
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The engine may be noisy on the outside but somehow the Camry in incredibly
quiet inside. Except for rattles.


<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Piston slap means excessive piston-bore clearance. Period. Selective
piston-bore fit and low expansion hypereutectic pistsons are available
and can be used to solve this, but they both cost more money. It's
plain and simple just a cost cutting move.

The GM piston slap problem occurred when they switch from selective
piston-bore fit to in-spec fit. Again, it's a cost cutting move.

So while some don't mind piston slaps, in any new engine I call it
cheap.



On Dec 11, 7:25 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
wrote:
> This is nothing new for Toyota engines. When I was shopping for a
> Tundra (prior "good" generation), 3 out of 3 exhibited piston slap
> when cold. I suspect this will not actually cause any problems.
> However, when GM engines do this, people go ballistic.
>
> I think this is actually a case where Toyota is tying to keep engine
> tolerances to a razors edge in order to maximize power and fuel
> economy (and minimize cost). I know people react to the noise poorly.
> I would love to know if it was actually a long term problem.
>
> Ed



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Old 12 Dec 2008, 07:56 am   #8 (permalink)
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> The engine may be noisy on the outside but somehow the Camry in
> incredibly quiet inside. Except for rattles.


Hmm, "incredibly quiet?" I've ridden in several, and never found them
to be particualrly quiet. Not particualrly noisy either. But
incredibly quiet seems like hyperbole. Consumer Reports gives the
Camry a "very good" rating for noise, same as a V6 Fusion. The Lexus
ES get the Excellent rating. So, I guess the Lexus is incredibly quiet
and the Camry is just normally quiet....

Ed

>
>
> <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6e61789a-39b7-4ab3-b6f4-917e402afc69@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> Piston slap means excessive piston-bore clearance. Period. Selective
> piston-bore fit and low expansion hypereutectic pistsons are
> available
> and can be used to solve this, but they both cost more money. It's
> plain and simple just a cost cutting move.
>
> The GM piston slap problem occurred when they switch from selective
> piston-bore fit to in-spec fit. Again, it's a cost cutting move.
>
> So while some don't mind piston slaps, in any new engine I call it
> cheap.
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 7:25 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
> wrote:
>> This is nothing new for Toyota engines. When I was shopping for a
>> Tundra (prior "good" generation), 3 out of 3 exhibited piston slap
>> when cold. I suspect this will not actually cause any problems.
>> However, when GM engines do this, people go ballistic.
>>
>> I think this is actually a case where Toyota is tying to keep
>> engine
>> tolerances to a razors edge in order to maximize power and fuel
>> economy (and minimize cost). I know people react to the noise
>> poorly.
>> I would love to know if it was actually a long term problem.
>>
>> Ed

>
>


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Old 18 Dec 2008, 11:06 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Incredibly quiet compared to a 2005 Honda Accord hybrid, 2008 Accord and
1999 300M.


"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> newsIydnRZY3dPXSdzUnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>> The engine may be noisy on the outside but somehow the Camry in
>> incredibly quiet inside. Except for rattles.

>
> Hmm, "incredibly quiet?" I've ridden in several, and never found them to
> be particualrly quiet. Not particualrly noisy either. But incredibly quiet
> seems like hyperbole. Consumer Reports gives the Camry a "very good"
> rating for noise, same as a V6 Fusion. The Lexus ES get the Excellent
> rating. So, I guess the Lexus is incredibly quiet and the Camry is just
> normally quiet....
>
> Ed
>
>>
>>
>> <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6e61789a-39b7-4ab3-b6f4-917e402afc69@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> Piston slap means excessive piston-bore clearance. Period. Selective
>> piston-bore fit and low expansion hypereutectic pistsons are available
>> and can be used to solve this, but they both cost more money. It's
>> plain and simple just a cost cutting move.
>>
>> The GM piston slap problem occurred when they switch from selective
>> piston-bore fit to in-spec fit. Again, it's a cost cutting move.
>>
>> So while some don't mind piston slaps, in any new engine I call it
>> cheap.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 7:25 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>> This is nothing new for Toyota engines. When I was shopping for a
>>> Tundra (prior "good" generation), 3 out of 3 exhibited piston slap
>>> when cold. I suspect this will not actually cause any problems.
>>> However, when GM engines do this, people go ballistic.
>>>
>>> I think this is actually a case where Toyota is tying to keep engine
>>> tolerances to a razors edge in order to maximize power and fuel
>>> economy (and minimize cost). I know people react to the noise poorly.
>>> I would love to know if it was actually a long term problem.
>>>
>>> Ed

>>
>>

>



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