Starter running but not turning engine over on 96 camry

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Old 19 Dec 2008, 06:15 am   #1 (permalink)
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Default Starter running but not turning engine over on 96 camry

Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. Tried
jumping it off to no effect. Had the starter rebuilt and was told
that the solenoid was bad. When the rebuilt started is put back on
the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
turning over. Help me please..
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Old 19 Dec 2008, 06:38 am   #2 (permalink)
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On Dec 19, 6:15*am, wormsign <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. *Tried
> jumping it off to no effect. *Had the starter rebuilt and was told
> that the solenoid was bad. *When the rebuilt started is put back on
> the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
> turning over. * Help me please..


Rebuilt is junk and they often are bad, once I went through 3 till the
mechanic decided his rebuilder was a con. Try hitting it with a hammer
while someone turns the key, or just get a new one.
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Old 19 Dec 2008, 06:48 am   #3 (permalink)
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On Dec 19, 7:38*am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 6:15*am, wormsign <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. *Tried
> > jumping it off to no effect. *Had the starter rebuilt and was told
> > that the solenoid was bad. *When the rebuilt started is put back on
> > the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
> > turning over. * Help me please..

>
> Rebuilt is junk and they often are bad, once I went through 3 till the
> mechanic decided his rebuilder was a con. Try hitting it with a hammer
> while someone turns the key, or just get a new one.


Yeah I've seen the posts about rebuilt starters but I forgot to
mention that it test out on the bench hook to a booster box. In other
words the shaft comes extends and turns okay. But are you saying that
it could still be a bad starter?

thanks for your fast reply.
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Old 19 Dec 2008, 08:17 am   #4 (permalink)
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"wormsign" <cox.geoff@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. Tried
> jumping it off to no effect. Had the starter rebuilt and was told
> that the solenoid was bad. When the rebuilt started is put back on
> the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
> turning over. Help me please..


Are you absolutely sure it is not the battery? If have seen batteries go bad
so that they cannot even be jumped.


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Old 19 Dec 2008, 09:48 am   #5 (permalink)
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On Dec 19, 9:17*am, "Mark A" <some...@someone.com> wrote:
> "wormsign" <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:46f77e5c-e7ac-45a3-bb2c-4b0e18178aaf@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. *Tried
> > jumping it off to no effect. *Had the starter rebuilt and was told
> > that the solenoid was bad. *When the rebuilt started is put back on
> > the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
> > turning over. * Help me please..

>
> Are you absolutely sure it is not the battery? If have seen batteries go bad
> so that they cannot even be jumped.


Actually I had my daughter take the starter back to the rebuild shop
to test. Now this is through a 20 year old girls translation...she
said that they said thatit was turning in both directions and gave her
a replacement. Does this make sense, maybe what ever locks the shaft
with the gear on it to the motor shaft was failing?

I'll post with an update later today when I put the starter back on
the car.

Thanks guys
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Old 19 Dec 2008, 12:48 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On Dec 19, 10:48*am, wormsign <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 9:17*am, "Mark A" <some...@someone.com> wrote:
>
> > "wormsign" <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >news:46f77e5c-e7ac-45a3-bb2c-4b0e18178aaf@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

>
> > > Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. *Tried
> > > jumping it off to no effect. *Had the starter rebuilt and was told
> > > that the solenoid was bad. *When the rebuilt started is put back on
> > > the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
> > > turning over. * Help me please..

>
> > Are you absolutely sure it is not the battery? If have seen batteries go bad
> > so that they cannot even be jumped.

>
> Actually I had my daughter take the starter back to the rebuild shop
> to test. *Now this is through a 20 year old girls translation...she
> said that they said thatit was turning in both directions and gave her
> a replacement. *Does this make sense, maybe what ever locks the shaft
> with the gear on it to the motor shaft was failing?
>
> I'll post with an update later today when I put the starter back on
> the car.
>
> Thanks guys


Well the starter saga continues! I took a long lunch so I could go
home and install the 'replaced' starter. It mounted up fine but the
electrical connections were not the same as what the original starter
had. So it's off again and back at the rebuilders.

Oh and BTW when I call the local toy dealer all they offer is 'toyota'
rebuilt starters for $224. I know that it's been a real PITA but if I
ever do get it working I will save a bunch of money and I can install
a starter on a 96 camry bindfolded LOL.
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Old 19 Dec 2008, 05:35 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Dec 19, 6:15*am, wormsign <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. *Tried
> jumping it off to no effect. *Had the starter rebuilt and was told
> that the solenoid was bad. *When the rebuilt started is put back on
> the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
> turning over. * Help me please..


Bad battery, bad cables, bad motor ground. You need to check v and
amps at the starter and what it draws. They bench test all of them,
thats the problem, a bench test has no load, no flywheel gear, it what
it does in the car that rebuilders never test. Clicking is a sign of
low voltage. Many times I failed a jump from bad jumper cables, bad
battery etc. Check voltage and starter amp draw to know the issue,
that is normal procedure. Id first say it wasnt the starter.
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Old 19 Dec 2008, 08:17 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Dec 19, 6:35*pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 6:15*am, wormsign <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. *Tried
> > jumping it off to no effect. *Had the starter rebuilt and was told
> > that the solenoid was bad. *When the rebuilt started is put back on
> > the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
> > turning over. * Help me please..

>
> Bad battery, bad cables, bad motor ground. You need to check v and
> amps at the starter and what it draws. They bench test all of them,
> thats the problem, a bench test has no load, no flywheel gear, it what
> it does in the car that rebuilders never test. Clicking is a sign of
> low voltage. Many times I failed a jump from bad jumper cables, bad
> battery etc. Check voltage and starter amp draw to know the issue,
> that is normal procedure. Id first say it wasnt the starter.


Here's the end of the story...I picked up the 're-rebuilt' starter
this afternoon and it works great. Even though the rebuild shop was
highly recommended by everyone I talked to including the Toyota part
dept I guess everyone has a bad day from time to time. I had used
this shop one other time and the job they did was excellent and it was
a good thing since the starter was off a T100. If I had to take that
baby off and back on 5 times I most likely would have made a stop at
the local gun shop on the last trip to rebuild shop.

One tidbit I learned today was the proper way to bench test a
starter. Fixture the starter in a vice, boost it off and press a
block of wood against the gear,,,it should be very difficult to
impossible to stop the turning shaft. And also with no juice applied
the starter should turn by hand easily one way but not the other. The
1st rebuilt starter turn both direction with no difference in
resistance.

Thanks to everyone for their ideas and suggestions, its good to have a
place to ask questions and get answers

Yes I know the importance of clean shiny bright battery and cable
connections and I guess I ommited some info on the original post but
The first thing I did was to clean all the connections and then I
tried jumping the car off. and still all I got was a click. And if
you read carefully the 1st post you will see that with the newly
rebuilt starter the 'click' went to a starter turning but the engine
not turning. Im my mind this pretty much eliminated all but the
starter.
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Old 21 Dec 2008, 05:41 am   #9 (permalink)
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On Dec 19, 8:17*pm, wormsign <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 6:35*pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 19, 6:15*am, wormsign <cox.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > > Problem started with just a 'click' when the key was turned on. *Tried
> > > jumping it off to no effect. *Had the starter rebuilt and was told
> > > that the solenoid was bad. *When the rebuilt started is put back on
> > > the car you can now hear the starter running but the engine is not
> > > turning over. * Help me please..

>
> > Bad battery, bad cables, bad motor ground. You need to check v and
> > amps at the starter and what it draws. They bench test all of them,
> > thats the problem, a bench test has no load, no flywheel gear, it what
> > it does in the car that rebuilders never test. Clicking is a sign of
> > low voltage. Many times I failed a jump from bad jumper cables, bad
> > battery etc. Check voltage and starter amp draw to know the issue,
> > that is normal procedure. Id first say it wasnt the starter.

>
> Here's the end of the story...I picked up the 're-rebuilt' starter
> this afternoon and it works great. *Even though the rebuild shop was
> highly recommended by everyone I talked to including the Toyota part
> dept I guess everyone has a bad day from time to time. *I had used
> this shop one other time and the job they did was excellent and it was
> a good thing since the starter was off a T100. *If I had to take that
> baby off and back on 5 times I most likely would have made a stop at
> the local gun shop on the last trip to rebuild shop.
>
> One tidbit I learned today was the proper way to bench test a
> starter. *Fixture the starter in a vice, boost it off and press a
> block of wood against the gear,,,it should be very difficult to
> impossible to stop the turning shaft. *And also with no juice applied
> the starter should turn by hand easily one way but not the other. *The
> 1st rebuilt starter turn both direction with no difference in
> resistance.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their ideas and suggestions, its good to have a
> place to ask questions and get answers
>
> Yes I know the importance of clean shiny bright battery and cable
> connections and I guess I ommited some info on the original post but
> The first thing I did was to clean all the connections and then I
> tried jumping the car off. and still all I got was a click. *And if
> you read carefully the 1st post you will see that with the newly
> rebuilt starter the 'click' went to a starter turning but the engine
> not turning. *Im my mind this pretty much eliminated all but the
> starter.


Bench tests are bull shit, they dont tell the whole story, like amd
draw under load, selinoid operation, in my caddy 3 were grinding at
first try, rebuilders are crooks, rebuild means rebuild, not a half
ass test and a cleaning.
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