07 Toyota manuals say 1.1qt oil burn/600 miles normal?

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Old 04 Jan 2009, 11:01 pm   #1 (permalink)
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<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Some owners of 2007 Camrys posted that their manuals say 1.1 qt of oil
> burn per 600 miles can be considered normal. Is it the case?
>
> If so I would think it's excessive. It used to be that 1 qt per 3000
> miles was the "acceptable" rule. Many of the newer Toyota/Lexus 3.5L
> V6 engines have excessive piston-bore clearances they piston-slap when
> cold, so I wouldn't be surprised of higher oil burn rates in some of
> these (I4/V6) engines, but 1.1qt/600 miles???
>
> I guess they don't build them like they used to.
>
> http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c40d0/0
> "My dealer could not tell me for sure the brand of oil to use--and,
> since it could use up to 1.1 qt/600 miles, thought I ought to have an
> extra quart along--so is the oil that comes from the factory the same
> as the regular 5W 30 that the dealer would use to do an oil change? "


See http://home.mindspring.com/~ed_white/id8.html for my opinion on oil
usage.

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Old 05 Jan 2009, 06:48 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Default 07 Toyota manuals say 1.1qt oil burn/600 miles normal?

Some owners of 2007 Camrys posted that their manuals say 1.1 qt of oil
burn per 600 miles can be considered normal. Is it the case?

If so I would think it's excessive. It used to be that 1 qt per 3000
miles was the "acceptable" rule. Many of the newer Toyota/Lexus 3.5L
V6 engines have excessive piston-bore clearances they piston-slap when
cold, so I wouldn't be surprised of higher oil burn rates in some of
these (I4/V6) engines, but 1.1qt/600 miles???

I guess they don't build them like they used to.

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c40d0/0
"My dealer could not tell me for sure the brand of oil to use--and,
since it could use up to 1.1 qt/600 miles, thought I ought to have an
extra quart along--so is the oil that comes from the factory the same
as the regular 5W 30 that the dealer would use to do an oil change? "




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Old 05 Jan 2009, 07:02 pm   #3 (permalink)
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<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Some owners of 2007 Camrys posted that their manuals say 1.1 qt of oil
> burn per 600 miles can be considered normal. Is it the case?
>
> If so I would think it's excessive. It used to be that 1 qt per 3000
> miles was the "acceptable" rule. Many of the newer Toyota/Lexus 3.5L
> V6 engines have excessive piston-bore clearances they piston-slap when
> cold, so I wouldn't be surprised of higher oil burn rates in some of
> these (I4/V6) engines, but 1.1qt/600 miles???
>
> I guess they don't build them like they used to.
>
> http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c40d0/0
> "My dealer could not tell me for sure the brand of oil to use--and,
> since it could use up to 1.1 qt/600 miles, thought I ought to have an
> extra quart along--so is the oil that comes from the factory the same
> as the regular 5W 30 that the dealer would use to do an oil change? "


It should not use that much oil. Maybe when the engine is brand new, it
might use a little oil, but after a few thousand miles that should stop. But
if the engine was not broken in properly, then all bets are off.

I have a 1998 Camry V6, and I have never added a drop of oil in-between 5000
mile oil changes (and never needed to).

I don't know for certain, but I thought the newer engines used 5W-20 or
something like that. Don't EVER pay any attention to what your dealer says
about this, because they just want to stock a few viscosities that they can
use for any model year.


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Old 05 Jan 2009, 07:05 pm   #4 (permalink)
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johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Some owners of 2007 Camrys posted that their manuals say 1.1 qt of oil
> burn per 600 miles can be considered normal. Is it the case?


It's less than the qt. per 700 miles allowed in Arizona. Back in the
1980s or early 1990s, the AZ attorney general and maybe some other
state AGs forced Ford to raise its standard from a qt. per 400 miles
to one per 700 miles.


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Old 05 Jan 2009, 07:21 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On Jan 5, 6:48*pm, johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Some owners of 2007 Camrys posted that their manuals say 1.1 qt of oil
> burn per 600 miles can be considered normal. Is it the case?
>
> If so I would think it's excessive. It used to be that 1 qt per 3000
> miles was the "acceptable" rule. Many of the newer Toyota/Lexus 3.5L
> V6 engines have excessive piston-bore clearances they piston-slap when
> cold, so I wouldn't be surprised of higher oil burn rates in some of
> these (I4/V6) engines, but 1.1qt/600 miles???
>
> I guess they don't build them like they used to.
>
> http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c40d0/0
> "My dealer could not tell me for sure the brand of oil to use--and,
> since it could use up to 1.1 qt/600 miles, thought I ought to have an
> extra quart along--so is the oil that comes from the factory the same
> as the regular 5W 30 that the dealer would use to do an oil change? "


I find it impossible to believe a car manual would state oil
consumption issues in qts, or any one would state 1.1qt every 600 is
acceptable. It will ruin the converters in maybe 10000 miles like
that, be in excess of all polution laws, fail all polution tests. In
illinois it would not be lisenceable. GM gives out a free motor at 1qt
+ in 1000 miles. 1.1 qt in 600 is a true polluting junker. I find this
kinda hard to believe. Its almost 2 quarts in 1000 miles , just think
of the smoke.
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Old 05 Jan 2009, 07:21 pm   #6 (permalink)
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That's what I thought too. But people (such as one with 27K miles on a
2.4L) are having problems all of a sudden, when prior to that the
engine used no oil. So I Goggled a bit and found this 1.1qt/600
miles!!

Ouch.



On Jan 5, 5:02*pm, "Mark A" <some...@someone.com> wrote:
> It should not use that much oil. Maybe when the engine is brand new, it
> might use a little oil, but after a few thousand miles that should stop. But
> if the engine was not broken in properly, then all bets are off.
>
> I have a 1998 Camry V6, and I have never added a drop of oil in-between 5000
> mile oil changes (and never needed to).
>
> I don't know for certain, but I thought the newer engines used 5W-20 or
> something like that. Don't EVER pay any attention to what your dealer says
> about this, because they just want to stock a few viscosities that they can
> use for any model year.


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Old 05 Jan 2009, 07:43 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"ransley" ...
johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Some owners of 2007 Camrys posted that their manuals say 1.1 qt of oil
> burn per 600 miles can be considered normal. Is it the case?
>
> If so I would think it's excessive. It used to be that 1 qt per 3000
> miles was the "acceptable" rule. Many of the newer Toyota/Lexus 3.5L
> V6 engines have excessive piston-bore clearances they piston-slap when
> cold, so I wouldn't be surprised of higher oil burn rates in some of
> these (I4/V6) engines, but 1.1qt/600 miles???
>
> I guess they don't build them like they used to.
>
> http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c40d0/0
> "My dealer could not tell me for sure the brand of oil to use--and,
> since it could use up to 1.1 qt/600 miles, thought I ought to have an
> extra quart along--so is the oil that comes from the factory the same
> as the regular 5W 30 that the dealer would use to do an oil change? "


I find it impossible to believe a car manual would state oil
consumption issues in qts, or any one would state 1.1qt every 600 is
acceptable. It will ruin the converters in maybe 10000 miles like
that, be in excess of all polution laws, fail all polution tests. In
illinois it would not be lisenceable. GM gives out a free motor at 1qt
+ in 1000 miles. 1.1 qt in 600 is a true polluting junker. I find this
kinda hard to believe. Its almost 2 quarts in 1000 miles , just think
of the smoke.
=====================
I agree for the same reasons. I am thinking that this is just blowing
smoke...
Tomes

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Old 05 Jan 2009, 07:45 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Jan 5, 7:21*pm, johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
> That's what I thought too. But people (such as one with 27K miles on a
> 2.4L) are having problems all of a sudden, when prior to that the
> engine used no oil. So I Goggled a bit and found this 1.1qt/600
> miles!!
>
> Ouch.
>
> On Jan 5, 5:02*pm, "Mark A" <some...@someone.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It should not use that much oil. Maybe when the engine is brand new, it
> > might use a little oil, but after a few thousand miles that should stop.. But
> > if the engine was not broken in properly, then all bets are off.

>
> > I have a 1998 Camry V6, and I have never added a drop of oil in-between5000
> > mile oil changes (and never needed to).

>
> > I don't know for certain, but I thought the newer engines used 5W-20 or
> > something like that. Don't EVER pay any attention to what your dealer says
> > about this, because they just want to stock a few viscosities that theycan
> > use for any model year.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -


My 91 might use 1 qt in 3-5000 miles. My folks had a caddy that used
0.9 qt in 1000 and GM said if its 1 qt in 1000 they would replace it
free. 1.1 qt in 600 for break in ok. If this is true expext a recall I
cant see it passing any test and it will ruin a cat converter very
fast, that is just to much oil. But I have never seen a manual stating
an amount of oil burned per miles. It might be dealer bs. New motors
just dont burn oil like they did 20-30 years ago.
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Old 05 Jan 2009, 08:22 pm   #9 (permalink)
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On Jan 5, 8:02*pm, "Mark A" <some...@someone.com> wrote:
> <johngd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:84e0e56a-69df-40a3-98a5-5354b3c17b7d@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Some owners of 2007 Camrys posted that their manuals say 1.1 qt of oil
> > burn per 600 miles can be considered normal. Is it the case?

>
> > If so I would think it's excessive. It used to be that 1 qt per 3000
> > miles was the "acceptable" rule. Many of the newer Toyota/Lexus 3.5L
> > V6 engines have excessive piston-bore clearances they piston-slap when
> > cold, so I wouldn't be surprised of higher oil burn rates in some of
> > these (I4/V6) engines, but 1.1qt/600 miles???

>
> > I guess they don't build them like they used to.

>
> >http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c40d0/0
> > "My dealer could not tell me for sure the brand of oil to use--and,
> > since it could use up to 1.1 qt/600 miles, thought I ought to have an
> > extra quart along--so is the oil that comes from the factory the same
> > as the regular 5W 30 that the dealer would use to do an oil change? "

>
> It should not use that much oil. Maybe when the engine is brand new, it
> might use a little oil, but after a few thousand miles that should stop. But
> if the engine was not broken in properly, then all bets are off.
>
> I have a 1998 Camry V6, and I have never added a drop of oil in-between 5000
> mile oil changes (and never needed to).
>
> I don't know for certain, but I thought the newer engines used 5W-20 or
> something like that. Don't EVER pay any attention to what your dealer says
> about this, because they just want to stock a few viscosities that they can
> use for any model year.


Let's listen to someone on the internet instead. After all, what do
the engine manufacturers know about engines? They only designed them.

The engine makers know the engines inside and out. Over the last few
years, the metals, oils and manufacturing processes have changed so
that today's engines require different oils than previous engines.

Jeff
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Old 05 Jan 2009, 08:58 pm   #10 (permalink)
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"Jeff" <jeff.utz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Let's listen to someone on the internet instead. After all, what do
> the engine manufacturers know about engines? They only designed them.
>
> The engine makers know the engines inside and out. Over the last few
> years, the metals, oils and manufacturing processes have changed so
> that today's engines require different oils than previous engines.
>
> Jeff


I said ignore what the dealer says, not ignore what the manufacturer says.
The recommended oil viscosity is usually listed right on the oil filler cap,
and I would wholeheartedly recommend following the manufacturer's
instructions. Unfortunately, a lot people on the internet cannot read very
well.

Sadly, many dealers use a different viscosity than recommended by the
manufacturer since they don't want stock every viscosity for all the cars
they service, so they typically use one or two viscosities for everything to
the extent possible. The pay a lot less for the bulk oil in barrels than
they do for the 1 quart cans, and they don't have a lot of different oils by
the barrel. Since consumers assume that the dealer will use the correct oil
viscosity as recommended by the manufacturer, the dealers usually don't get
much scrutiny from consumers (or people on the internet) as to what they are
putting in the crankcase.


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