2009 Camry: Road and wind noise

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Old 20 Mar 2009, 10:01 am   #1 (permalink)
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Just traded in a 1997 Camry (4Cyl LE) towards a leased 2009 Camry
(4Cyl LE). I drive 52 miles a day on the highway and find the road and
wind noise of the 2009 to be something awful compared to the 1997. The
1997 had gone 157,000 miles with el cheapo Goodyear Integritys and the
2009 has Michelin something or the other. Maybe the tire difference
can account for the road noise but wind noise and general acoustic
isolation has taken a nose dive over the years IMO. Can anyone shed
some light on this?
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Old 20 Mar 2009, 10:47 am   #2 (permalink)
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On Mar 20, 8:01*am, oparr <op...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just traded in a 1997 Camry (4Cyl LE) towards a leased 2009 Camry
> (4Cyl LE). I drive 52 miles a day on the highway and find the road and
> wind noise of the 2009 to be something awful compared to the 1997. The
> 1997 had gone 157,000 miles with el cheapo Goodyear Integritys and the
> 2009 has Michelin something or the other. Maybe the tire difference
> can account for the road noise but wind noise and general acoustic
> isolation has taken a nose dive over the years IMO. Can anyone shed
> some light on this?



Take a look at the rubber door seals. See if they're loose, coming
apart, etc.

We had wind noise in our (new) '96 Camry just after my dad bought it.
The Toyota dealership couldn't figure it out (can you believe that).
After dad gave me the car in 2001, I discovered a long tear in the
door seals. I stuffed the rubber seals with paper towels, and the
wind noise is now gone.

Hopefully if you bring the door seals to the attention of the
dealership they can do something about it (under warranty). Not sure
how competent your Toyota dealership is though.

Best wishes

Michael
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Old 20 Mar 2009, 01:00 pm   #3 (permalink)
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oparr wrote:
> Just traded in a 1997 Camry (4Cyl LE) towards a leased 2009 Camry
> (4Cyl LE). I drive 52 miles a day on the highway and find the road and
> wind noise of the 2009 to be something awful compared to the 1997. The
> 1997 had gone 157,000 miles with el cheapo Goodyear Integritys and the
> 2009 has Michelin something or the other. Maybe the tire difference
> can account for the road noise but wind noise and general acoustic
> isolation has taken a nose dive over the years IMO. Can anyone shed
> some light on this?


Toyota has cheapened the door and window sealing, as well as the noise
insulation over the years.

The 2009 Camry costs no more than the 1997 Camry, yet it has a lot more
features as standard equipment. They saved money in other ways.
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Old 20 Mar 2009, 02:54 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"oparr" <oparr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just traded in a 1997 Camry (4Cyl LE) towards a leased 2009 Camry
> (4Cyl LE). I drive 52 miles a day on the highway and find the road and
> wind noise of the 2009 to be something awful compared to the 1997. The
> 1997 had gone 157,000 miles with el cheapo Goodyear Integritys and the
> 2009 has Michelin something or the other. Maybe the tire difference
> can account for the road noise but wind noise and general acoustic
> isolation has taken a nose dive over the years IMO. Can anyone shed
> some light on this?

Have a 2008 Avalon and get a lot of wind noise too. It's not the tires,
almost get the impression that it's coming from the big mirrors.
MLD

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Old 20 Mar 2009, 04:15 pm   #5 (permalink)
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> It's not the tires,
> almost get the impression that it's coming from the big mirrors.


When you transition from a smooth asphalt section of the highway to a
rougher section and back or you suddenly go over a bridge you actually
hear the change in texture of the road surface. That's what I'm
referring to as road noise. If there was no contact with the road via
the tires you would not hear this type of noise (and the car would
probably be called something else). Not to be confused with wind noise
which can be accentuated by several things including the shape
(aerodynamics) of the car.

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Old 20 Mar 2009, 04:38 pm   #6 (permalink)
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> Toyota has cheapened the door and window sealing, as well as the noise
> insulation over the years.


The competition probably isn't there anymore. Rumor had it that a 1997
Camry was quieter than a 1997 Lincoln Towncar. Now, rumor has it that
a 2009 Camry is quieter than a 2009 Honda Accord. I started poking
around to see if there was any acoustic insulation on the
firewall...The engine sounds like a motorbike (albeit somewhat muted)
up to third speed.

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On Mar 20, 10:01*am, oparr <op...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just traded in a 1997 Camry (4Cyl LE) towards a leased 2009 Camry
> (4Cyl LE). I drive 52 miles a day on the highway and find the road and
> wind noise of the 2009 to be something awful compared to the 1997. The
> 1997 had gone 157,000 miles with el cheapo Goodyear Integritys and the
> 2009 has Michelin something or the other. Maybe the tire difference
> can account for the road noise but wind noise and general acoustic
> isolation has taken a nose dive over the years IMO. Can anyone shed
> some light on this?


On a frige to test a door seal a dollar bill or paper can be used to
see if it can be pulled out with the door closed, Use paper to see if
you can find where it wont seal, maybe the doors had damage or never
were pulled in tight to the lock, it can be adjusted to close tighter
at the lock
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Old 21 Mar 2009, 08:10 am   #8 (permalink)
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> On a frige to test a door seal a dollar bill or paper can be used to
> see if it can be pulled out with the door closed


Yes, got the same tip from the Edmunds Toyota forum. Will do the paper
test and check the seals as Michael also suggested later today.
Thanks!

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Old 22 Mar 2009, 07:44 am   #9 (permalink)
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On Mar 21, 8:10*am, "op...@hotmail.com" <op...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On a frige to test a door seal a dollar bill or paper can be used to
> > see if it can be pulled out with the door closed

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> Yes, got the same tip from the Edmunds Toyota forum. Will do the paper
> test and check the seals as Michael also suggested later today.
> Thanks!
>
> On Mar 20, 10:46*pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hardware stores sell foam strip, self stick Open cell foam insulation
in various widths and thicknesses, Closed cell foam doesn compress
much, Open cell does. its cheap and quick to add more
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Old 22 Mar 2009, 10:37 am   #10 (permalink)
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oparr@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On a frige to test a door seal a dollar bill or paper can be used to
>> see if it can be pulled out with the door closed

>
> Yes, got the same tip from the Edmunds Toyota forum. Will do the paper
> test and check the seals as Michael also suggested later today.
> Thanks!
>
> On Mar 20, 10:46 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:

You might try reducing the wind noise by closing the outside air on the
climate controls. It does make a difference on my Camry especially at
highway speeds and with the wind direction. And sometimes the doors
can be adjusted just a bit (if they are sagging by sticking a floor jack
under the open door with a 2x4 on the floor jack) or just the door
latch. I've seen shops use a sound generator and a heat gun to form the
door seals a little so they will seal better.
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