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Old 23 Mar 2009, 01:56 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default shift solenoid e circuit electrical (redux)

This is a follow up to the original conversation found here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...bd2384f?hl=en#

1997 Camry Le 2.2 the Check Engine light came on with the error code of
"shift solenoid e circuit electrical". This code relates to the torque
converter not locking up when getting above 45 MPH. That would result
in 200-400 RPMS higher at that speed and above. However the car was
shifting fine and no one could replicate the error. Diagnosis by the
dealer determined bad wires in harness which they replaced but the code
remained and they essentially gave up.

The local transmission shop said it's working fine and to bring it back
when acting up. The light would come and go occasionally until last
week when the last gear finally refused to engage at all. I brought it
back today and the man says he took it for a ride and hooked up the
analyzer at the same time. The computer is sending the message to
shift but the transmission is not doing so. We decided to drain the
system continuously and add fresh fluid until all old fluid is gone.
He also dropped the pan to clean the screen.

The report is this: there are metal shavings on the bottom of the pan,
similar to flakes. The solenoid has already been replaced by someone
else -- the dealer. The voltage to open and close the solenoid is
there. He thinks the valve is gummed up or something and says it's not
worth the cost to drop the transmission and fix it. It's possible the
torque converter is going bad. He suggests the new fluid and a valve
lubricant and crossing my fingers. The transmission does shift
smoothly into all other gears.


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Old 23 Mar 2009, 02:40 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is a follow up to the original conversation found here:
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...bd2384f?hl=en#
>
> 1997 Camry Le 2.2 the Check Engine light came on with the error code of
> "shift solenoid e circuit electrical". This code relates to the torque
> converter not locking up when getting above 45 MPH. That would result
> in 200-400 RPMS higher at that speed and above. However the car was
> shifting fine and no one could replicate the error. Diagnosis by the
> dealer determined bad wires in harness which they replaced but the code
> remained and they essentially gave up.
>
> The local transmission shop said it's working fine and to bring it back
> when acting up. The light would come and go occasionally until last
> week when the last gear finally refused to engage at all. I brought it
> back today and the man says he took it for a ride and hooked up the
> analyzer at the same time. The computer is sending the message to
> shift but the transmission is not doing so. We decided to drain the
> system continuously and add fresh fluid until all old fluid is gone.
> He also dropped the pan to clean the screen.
>
> The report is this: there are metal shavings on the bottom of the pan,
> similar to flakes. The solenoid has already been replaced by someone
> else -- the dealer. The voltage to open and close the solenoid is
> there. He thinks the valve is gummed up or something and says it's not
> worth the cost to drop the transmission and fix it. It's possible the
> torque converter is going bad. He suggests the new fluid and a valve
> lubricant and crossing my fingers. The transmission does shift
> smoothly into all other gears.
>


Unfortunately, metal shavings usually mean that a major failure is imminent.
The shavings may have clogged passages or valves in the valve body, causing
the intermittent problem. In my experience, intermittent transmission
problems tend to become more regular as time and mileage passes.
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Old 24 Mar 2009, 08:03 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Now, did the dealer replace the solenoid E by dropping the pan??

The shift solenoid E should be on the outside of the transmission
case, near the neutral safety switch by the radiator. If the dealer is
changing a solenoid dropping the pan, then they probably were working
on the wrong one. Well, they clearly misdiagnose the wiring as the
cause. Dealers haven't been very good at specialized things like
transmission, alignment, and A/C.

I'd recommend having a good transmission shop actually check/replace
the *correct* shift solenoid E, and then see how things turn out.




On Mar 23, 11:56*am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is a follow up to the original conversation found here:http://groups..google.com/group/alt....thread/thread/...
>
> 1997 Camry Le 2.2 the Check Engine light came on with the error code of
> "shift solenoid e circuit electrical". *This code relates to the torque
> converter not locking up when getting above 45 MPH. *That would result
> in 200-400 RPMS higher at that speed and above. *However the car was
> shifting fine and no one could replicate the error. *Diagnosis by the
> dealer determined bad wires in harness which they replaced but the code
> remained and they essentially gave up.
>
> The local transmission shop said it's working fine and to bring it back
> when acting up. *The light would come and go occasionally until last
> week when the last gear finally refused to engage at all. *I brought it
> back today and the man says he took it for a ride and hooked up the
> analyzer at the same time. *The computer is sending the message to
> shift but the transmission is not doing so. *We decided to drain the
> system continuously and add fresh fluid until all old fluid is gone.
> He also dropped the pan to clean the screen.
>
> The report is this: *there are metal shavings on the bottom of the pan,
> similar to flakes. *The solenoid has already been replaced by someone
> else -- the dealer. *The voltage to open and close the solenoid is
> there. *He thinks the valve is gummed up or something and says it's not
> worth the cost to drop the transmission and fix it. *It's possible the
> torque converter is going bad. *He suggests the new fluid and a valve
> lubricant and crossing my fingers. *The transmission does shift
> smoothly into all other gears.


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Old 24 Mar 2009, 09:33 pm   #4 (permalink)
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johngdole@hotmail.com, 3/24/2009,9:03:46 PM, wrote:

The transmission shop also replaced the solenoid. They are the ones
who told me somebody has already replaced it. He had an extra one from
a previous kit he had ordered and put that one in. The torque
converter is still not locking up...

I'll look tomorrow and see if I can find this solenoid since you say
it's on the outside.


> Now, did the dealer replace the solenoid E by dropping the pan??
>
> The shift solenoid E should be on the outside of the transmission
> case, near the neutral safety switch by the radiator. If the dealer is
> changing a solenoid dropping the pan, then they probably were working
> on the wrong one. Well, they clearly misdiagnose the wiring as the
> cause. Dealers haven't been very good at specialized things like
> transmission, alignment, and A/C.
>
> I'd recommend having a good transmission shop actually check/replace
> the correct shift solenoid E, and then see how things turn out.
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 11:56*am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > This is a follow up to the original conversation found
> >

here:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...thread/thread/...
> >
> > 1997 Camry Le 2.2 the Check Engine light came on with the error
> > code of "shift solenoid e circuit electrical". *This code relates
> > to the torque converter not locking up when getting above 45 MPH.
> > *That would result in 200-400 RPMS higher at that speed and above.
> > *However the car was shifting fine and no one could replicate the
> > error. *Diagnosis by the dealer determined bad wires in harness
> > which they replaced but the code remained and they essentially gave
> > up.
> >
> > The local transmission shop said it's working fine and to bring it
> > back when acting up. *The light would come and go occasionally
> > until last week when the last gear finally refused to engage at
> > all. *I brought it back today and the man says he took it for a
> > ride and hooked up the analyzer at the same time. *The computer is
> > sending the message to shift but the transmission is not doing so.
> > *We decided to drain the system continuously and add fresh fluid
> > until all old fluid is gone. He also dropped the pan to clean the
> > screen.
> >
> > The report is this: *there are metal shavings on the bottom of the
> > pan, similar to flakes. *The solenoid has already been replaced by
> > someone else -- the dealer. *The voltage to open and close the
> > solenoid is there. *He thinks the valve is gummed up or something
> > and says it's not worth the cost to drop the transmission and fix
> > it. *It's possible the torque converter is going bad. *He suggests
> > the new fluid and a valve lubricant and crossing my fingers. *The
> > transmission does shift smoothly into all other gears.




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Old 25 Mar 2009, 11:07 am   #5 (permalink)
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On Mar 23, 11:56*am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is a follow up to the original conversation found here:http://groups..google.com/group/alt....thread/thread/...
>
> 1997 Camry Le 2.2 the Check Engine light came on with the error code of
> "shift solenoid e circuit electrical". *This code relates to the torque
> converter not locking up when getting above 45 MPH. *That would result
> in 200-400 RPMS higher at that speed and above. *However the car was
> shifting fine and no one could replicate the error. *Diagnosis by the
> dealer determined bad wires in harness which they replaced but the code
> remained and they essentially gave up.
>
> The local transmission shop said it's working fine and to bring it back
> when acting up. *The light would come and go occasionally until last
> week when the last gear finally refused to engage at all. *I brought it
> back today and the man says he took it for a ride and hooked up the
> analyzer at the same time. *The computer is sending the message to
> shift but the transmission is not doing so. *We decided to drain the
> system continuously and add fresh fluid until all old fluid is gone.
> He also dropped the pan to clean the screen.
>
> The report is this: *there are metal shavings on the bottom of the pan,
> similar to flakes. *The solenoid has already been replaced by someone
> else -- the dealer. *The voltage to open and close the solenoid is
> there. *He thinks the valve is gummed up or something and says it's not
> worth the cost to drop the transmission and fix it. *It's possible the
> torque converter is going bad. *He suggests the new fluid and a valve
> lubricant and crossing my fingers. *The transmission does shift
> smoothly into all other gears.



Considering that your '97 already has 164,000 miles on it, resist the
temptation to spend more on repairs than the car is worth.

A co-worker of mine has an Accord with nearly 300,000 miles on it, and
it boggles my mind how much he spends on maintenance (at the dealer,
no less).

Just my 2 cents' worth

Michael

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Old 02 Apr 2009, 08:27 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Ok, on the first page of the TranStar catalog URL, item #425 on the
right side of the transmission case is the converter lockup solenod.
If the dealer and shop are messing with the pan/valve body, then they
are messing with shift solenoids 1-2. How wrong they are.

www.transtar1.com/catDownload.asp?ID=563


On Mar 24, 7:33*pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> johngd...@hotmail.com, 3/24/2009,9:03:46 PM, wrote:
>
> The transmission shop also replaced the solenoid. *They are the ones
> who told me somebody has already replaced it. *He had an extra one from
> a previous kit he had ordered and put that one in. *The torque
> converter is still not locking up...
>
> I'll look tomorrow and see if I can find this solenoid since you say
> it's on the outside.
>
>
>
> > Now, did the dealer replace the solenoid E by dropping the pan??

>
> > The shift solenoid E should be on the outside of the transmission
> > case, near the neutral safety switch by the radiator. If the dealer is
> > changing a solenoid dropping the pan, then they probably were working
> > on the wrong one. Well, they clearly misdiagnose the wiring as the
> > cause. Dealers haven't been very good at specialized things like
> > transmission, alignment, and A/C.

>
> > I'd recommend having a good transmission shop actually check/replace
> > the correct shift solenoid E, and then see how things turn out.

>
> > On Mar 23, 11:56*am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > This is a follow up to the original conversation found

>
> here:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...thread/thread/...
>
>
>
>
>
> > > 1997 Camry Le 2.2 the Check Engine light came on with the error
> > > code of "shift solenoid e circuit electrical". *This code relates
> > > to the torque converter not locking up when getting above 45 MPH.
> > > *That would result in 200-400 RPMS higher at that speed and above.
> > > *However the car was shifting fine and no one could replicate the
> > > error. *Diagnosis by the dealer determined bad wires in harness
> > > which they replaced but the code remained and they essentially gave
> > > up.

>
> > > The local transmission shop said it's working fine and to bring it
> > > back when acting up. *The light would come and go occasionally
> > > until last week when the last gear finally refused to engage at
> > > all. *I brought it back today and the man says he took it for a
> > > ride and hooked up the analyzer at the same time. *The computer is
> > > sending the message to shift but the transmission is not doing so.
> > > *We decided to drain the system continuously and add fresh fluid
> > > until all old fluid is gone. *He also dropped the pan to clean the
> > > screen.

>
> > > The report is this: *there are metal shavings on the bottom of the
> > > pan, similar to flakes. *The solenoid has already been replaced by
> > > someone else -- the dealer. *The voltage to open and close the
> > > solenoid is there. *He thinks the valve is gummed up or something
> > > and says it's not worth the cost to drop the transmission and fix
> > > it. *It's possible the torque converter is going bad. *He suggests
> > > the new fluid and a valve lubricant and crossing my fingers. *The
> > > transmission does shift smoothly into all other gears.

>
> --
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> controlled and those who have no such desire." ~ Robert A. Heinlein


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johngdole@hotmail.com, 4/2/2009,9:27:32 PM, wrote:

> Ok, on the first page of the TranStar catalog URL, item #425 on the
> right side of the transmission case is the converter lockup solenod.
> If the dealer and shop are messing with the pan/valve body, then they
> are messing with shift solenoids 1-2. How wrong they are.
>
> www.transtar1.com/catDownload.asp?ID=563


Interesting! What do you suggest I do now?

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badgolferman, 4/2/2009,10:04:16 PM, wrote:

> johngdole@hotmail.com, 4/2/2009,9:27:32 PM, wrote:
>
> > Ok, on the first page of the TranStar catalog URL, item #425 on the
> > right side of the transmission case is the converter lockup solenod.
> > If the dealer and shop are messing with the pan/valve body, then
> > they are messing with shift solenoids 1-2. How wrong they are.
> >
> > www.transtar1.com/catDownload.asp?ID=563

>
> Interesting! What do you suggest I do now?


I have a manual that shows the location of the SL solenoid and how to
remove it but I can't really tell if it is accessible from below the
car by looking at the picture. Can a person who changes their own oil
and brakes replace this item?


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Old 03 Apr 2009, 01:00 am   #9 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> badgolferman, 4/2/2009,10:04:16 PM, wrote:
>
>> johngdole@hotmail.com, 4/2/2009,9:27:32 PM, wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, on the first page of the TranStar catalog URL, item #425 on the
>> > right side of the transmission case is the converter lockup solenod.
>> > If the dealer and shop are messing with the pan/valve body, then
>> > they are messing with shift solenoids 1-2. How wrong they are.
>> >
>> > www.transtar1.com/catDownload.asp?ID=563

>>
>> Interesting! What do you suggest I do now?

>
> I have a manual that shows the location of the SL solenoid and how to
> remove it but I can't really tell if it is accessible from below the
> car by looking at the picture. Can a person who changes their own oil
> and brakes replace this item?
>

Yes, it should be fairly straightforward.
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Old 03 Apr 2009, 11:17 am   #10 (permalink)
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Ray O wrote:

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>"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>badgolferman, 4/2/2009,10:04:16 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>johngdole@hotmail.com, 4/2/2009,9:27:32 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, on the first page of the TranStar catalog URL, item #425
>>>>on the right side of the transmission case is the converter
>>>>lockup solenod. If the dealer and shop are messing with the
>>>>pan/valve body, then they are messing with shift solenoids
>>>>1-2. How wrong they are.
>>>>
>>>> www.transtar1.com/catDownload.asp?ID=563
>>>
>>>Interesting! What do you suggest I do now?

>>
>>I have a manual that shows the location of the SL solenoid and how
>>to remove it but I can't really tell if it is accessible from below
>>the car by looking at the picture. Can a person who changes their
>>own oil and brakes replace this item?
>>

>Yes, it should be fairly straightforward.


I took the car back to the transmission shop today and talked to the
guy about the SL solenoid housed atop the transmission. He said he's
rather certain that solenoid is for cancelling lockup and is part of
the circuitry related to the O/D OFF button on my shifter. He doesn't
think it's part of this problem. We went through his parts manuals and
there is no definitive description of that solenoid. He called his
parts supplier and they don't have the part. He told me to get it from
the dealer and he will install it and maybe learn something. The
dealer says $110 and must be ordered.

Any thoughts on whether this SL solenoid is only for the shifter
switch? The dealer's parts department couldn't answer the question.


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