'95 Camry Four - Occasional Loud Clatter on Startup

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Old 19 Apr 2009, 07:43 pm   #1 (permalink)
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We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
ideas? Injectors?
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Old 19 Apr 2009, 11:48 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Just a guess, oil related issue and piston slap??

When was the last oil and filter change?

On Apr 19, 4:43*pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> * * We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
> ideas? Injectors?


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Old 20 Apr 2009, 12:04 am   #3 (permalink)
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On Apr 19, 6:43*pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> * * We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
> ideas? Injectors?


Maybe a filter with bad anti drainbck valve, is it generic.
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Old 20 Apr 2009, 05:34 am   #4 (permalink)
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johngdole@hotmail.com wrote:
> Just a guess, oil related issue and piston slap??
>
> When was the last oil and filter change?
>
> On Apr 19, 4:43 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>> We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
>> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
>> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
>> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
>> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
>> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
>> ideas? Injectors?

>


No, the car is misfiring when it happens, and it's only occasional.
It's also loud enough that if it were piston slap, the engine would be
toast. I've heard the Toyota 'dry bearings startup sound' and this isn't it.
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Old 20 Apr 2009, 11:46 am   #5 (permalink)
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On Apr 20, 4:34*am, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Just a guess, oil related issue and piston slap??

>
> > When was the last oil and filter change?

>
> > On Apr 19, 4:43 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> >> * * We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
> >> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
> >> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
> >> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
> >> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
> >> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
> >> ideas? Injectors?

>
> * * No, the car is misfiring when it happens, and it's only occasional.
> It's also loud enough that if it were piston slap, the engine would be
> toast. I've heard the Toyota 'dry bearings startup sound' and this isn't it.


How old are plugs and wires, is the coil under the cap, they can get
oiled up and short when damp.
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Old 20 Apr 2009, 03:04 pm   #6 (permalink)
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ransley wrote:
> On Apr 20, 4:34 am, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>> johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Just a guess, oil related issue and piston slap??
>>> When was the last oil and filter change?
>>> On Apr 19, 4:43 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
>>>> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
>>>> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
>>>> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
>>>> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
>>>> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
>>>> ideas? Injectors?

>> No, the car is misfiring when it happens, and it's only occasional.
>> It's also loud enough that if it were piston slap, the engine would be
>> toast. I've heard the Toyota 'dry bearings startup sound' and this isn't it.

>
> How old are plugs and wires, is the coil under the cap, they can get
> oiled up and short when damp.



That wouldn't explain the loud clattering noise.
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Old 20 Apr 2009, 06:27 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Apr 20, 2:04*pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> ransley wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 4:34 am, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> >> johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> Just a guess, oil related issue and piston slap??
> >>> When was the last oil and filter change?
> >>> On Apr 19, 4:43 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> >>>> * * We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
> >>>> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
> >>>> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
> >>>> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
> >>>> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
> >>>> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
> >>>> ideas? Injectors?
> >> * * No, the car is misfiring when it happens, and it's only occasional.
> >> It's also loud enough that if it were piston slap, the engine would be
> >> toast. I've heard the Toyota 'dry bearings startup sound' and this isn't it.

>
> > How old are plugs and wires, is the coil under the cap, they can get
> > oiled up and short when damp.

>
> * * That wouldn't explain the loud clattering noise.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Oh really, you said it missfires, what do you think spark plugs do,
wake up.
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Old 20 Apr 2009, 09:41 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Apr 20, 9:09*pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> ransley wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 2:04 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> >> ransley wrote:
> >>> On Apr 20, 4:34 am, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> >>>> johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Just a guess, oil related issue and piston slap??
> >>>>> When was the last oil and filter change?
> >>>>> On Apr 19, 4:43 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> * * We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for atuneup
> >>>>>> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
> >>>>>> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
> >>>>>> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
> >>>>>> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after abouttwo
> >>>>>> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
> >>>>>> ideas? Injectors?
> >>>> * * No, the car is misfiring when it happens, and it's only occasional.
> >>>> It's also loud enough that if it were piston slap, the engine would be
> >>>> toast. I've heard the Toyota 'dry bearings startup sound' and this isn't it.
> >>> How old are plugs and wires, is the coil under the cap, they can get
> >>> oiled up and short when damp.
> >> * * That wouldn't explain the loud clattering noise.- Hide quoted text -

>
> >> - Show quoted text -

>
> > Oh really, you said it missfires, what do you think spark plugs do,
> > wake up.

>
> * * I'm trying to be patient with you, Ransley, but you're making it
> difficult. The car is misfiring when it does this, but only then, and
> the noise is *extremely loud and metallic*. If it were detonation the
> motor would be toast. I'm asking about the clattering. I know what
> misfiring sounds like, and the clattering isn't misfiring. Please step
> back and hopefully one of the techs will have an idea.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Look butt head I never said detonation, you ass wipe, said missfire,
you said it needs a tune up, maintain the dam thing and it wont sound
or run like shit.
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Old 20 Apr 2009, 10:09 pm   #9 (permalink)
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ransley wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:04 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>> ransley wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 4:34 am, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Just a guess, oil related issue and piston slap??
>>>>> When was the last oil and filter change?
>>>>> On Apr 19, 4:43 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>> We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
>>>>>> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
>>>>>> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
>>>>>> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
>>>>>> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
>>>>>> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
>>>>>> ideas? Injectors?
>>>> No, the car is misfiring when it happens, and it's only occasional.
>>>> It's also loud enough that if it were piston slap, the engine would be
>>>> toast. I've heard the Toyota 'dry bearings startup sound' and this isn't it.
>>> How old are plugs and wires, is the coil under the cap, they can get
>>> oiled up and short when damp.

>> That wouldn't explain the loud clattering noise.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Oh really, you said it missfires, what do you think spark plugs do,
> wake up.



I'm trying to be patient with you, Ransley, but you're making it
difficult. The car is misfiring when it does this, but only then, and
the noise is *extremely loud and metallic*. If it were detonation the
motor would be toast. I'm asking about the clattering. I know what
misfiring sounds like, and the clattering isn't misfiring. Please step
back and hopefully one of the techs will have an idea.
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Old 21 Apr 2009, 12:36 am   #10 (permalink)
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ransley wrote:
> On Apr 20, 9:09 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>> ransley wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 2:04 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> ransley wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 20, 4:34 am, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>> johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Just a guess, oil related issue and piston slap??
>>>>>>> When was the last oil and filter change?
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 4:43 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> We've had the car for many years, and while it's due for a tuneup
>>>>>>>> the oil is changed regularly. 95% of startups are normal, but in the
>>>>>>>> last month we've had about three where it sounds like marbles are loose
>>>>>>>> in the engine. It misfires (I think) and makes a *very* loud metallic
>>>>>>>> rattle. I think 'Damn - there goes the motor' but then after about two
>>>>>>>> seconds it stops, and the engine is once more smooth and quiet. Any
>>>>>>>> ideas? Injectors?
>>>>>> No, the car is misfiring when it happens, and it's only occasional.
>>>>>> It's also loud enough that if it were piston slap, the engine would be
>>>>>> toast. I've heard the Toyota 'dry bearings startup sound' and this isn't it.
>>>>> How old are plugs and wires, is the coil under the cap, they can get
>>>>> oiled up and short when damp.
>>>> That wouldn't explain the loud clattering noise.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Oh really, you said it missfires, what do you think spark plugs do,
>>> wake up.

>> I'm trying to be patient with you, Ransley, but you're making it
>> difficult. The car is misfiring when it does this, but only then, and
>> the noise is *extremely loud and metallic*. If it were detonation the
>> motor would be toast. I'm asking about the clattering. I know what
>> misfiring sounds like, and the clattering isn't misfiring. Please step
>> back and hopefully one of the techs will have an idea.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Look butt head I never said detonation, you ass wipe, said missfire,
> you said it needs a tune up, maintain the dam thing and it wont sound
> or run like shit.



I can suggest that you learn to read for comprehension, but I can't
make it happen. The car runs fine the 99% of the time this isn't
happening. What I wrote was that the car is *due* for a tuneup, not that
it's running poorly.

I gritted my teeth when you first started posting bleeding obvious
suggestions here with little or no punctuation, in the hope that you
would improve. You did, but you still feel the need to make a
contribution whether you have a clue or not. I'm going to put you on
Ignore now, but I'll first suggest you read slowly and carefully, and
only make suggestions when you actually have an idea.
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