1995 Camry Four: Bad Starter?

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Old 12 Jan 2010, 07:50 pm   #1 (permalink)
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"Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
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> My housemate has been telling me for a couple of months that the
> starting interlock is going. I described how that would act (no sounds, no
> cranking) and she agreed that this was the case. I could never reproduce
> it. The other morning, at work, in 20 degree weather, I found what
> appeared to be a very low battery: just a click and low groan when I tried
> to start it. Jumping that car took two tries - it didn't turn over the
> first time, just groaned a bit, but started right up the second. I drove
> it home with the fan and rear defroster off, and then let the car sit a
> couple of days to make sure the battery really was bad. When I tried to
> start it today, same click and groan. HOWEVER, my housemate was with me
> this time, and she told me that this was exactly what it has been doing
> for weeks, and when I kept trying, after about 6 tries the starter
> suddenly cranked at normal speed and the car started right up. I checked
> the battery cables and they are not loose or corroded at the battery. The
> way I see it, it's one of three things, in descending order of
> probability:
>
> * Dying starter.
>
> * Loose or corroded cable connection someplace other than the battery.
>
> * Intermittent internal open or short inside battery.
>
> Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and I've
> never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that, despite
> stories of them warming up under load. We always run the engine up off
> idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it off in cold
> weather.


HOUSEMATE??!!!! Is that what they call "shack-ups" these days?




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Old 12 Jan 2010, 08:46 pm   #2 (permalink)
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My housemate has been telling me for a couple of months that the
starting interlock is going. I described how that would act (no sounds,
no cranking) and she agreed that this was the case. I could never
reproduce it. The other morning, at work, in 20 degree weather, I found
what appeared to be a very low battery: just a click and low groan when
I tried to start it. Jumping that car took two tries - it didn't turn
over the first time, just groaned a bit, but started right up the
second. I drove it home with the fan and rear defroster off, and then
let the car sit a couple of days to make sure the battery really was
bad. When I tried to start it today, same click and groan. HOWEVER, my
housemate was with me this time, and she told me that this was exactly
what it has been doing for weeks, and when I kept trying, after about 6
tries the starter suddenly cranked at normal speed and the car started
right up. I checked the battery cables and they are not loose or
corroded at the battery. The way I see it, it's one of three things, in
descending order of probability:

* Dying starter.

* Loose or corroded cable connection someplace other than the battery.

* Intermittent internal open or short inside battery.

Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and I've
never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that,
despite stories of them warming up under load. We always run the engine
up off idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it off in
cold weather.
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Old 13 Jan 2010, 07:45 am   #3 (permalink)
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On Jan 12, 8:46*pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> * * My housemate has been telling me for a couple of months that the
> starting interlock is going. I described how that would act (no sounds,
> no cranking) and she agreed that this was the case. I could never
> reproduce it. The other morning, at work, in 20 degree weather, I found
> what appeared to be a very low battery: just a click and low groan when
> I tried to start it. Jumping that car took two tries - it didn't turn
> over the first time, just groaned a bit, but started right up the
> second. I drove it home with the fan and rear defroster off, and then
> let the car sit a couple of days to make sure the battery really was
> bad. When I tried to start it today, same click and groan. HOWEVER, my
> housemate was with me this time, and she told me that this was exactly
> what it has been doing for weeks, and when I kept trying, after about 6
> tries the starter suddenly cranked at normal speed and the car started
> right up. I checked the battery cables and they are not loose or
> corroded at the battery. The way I see it, it's one of three things, in
> descending order of probability:
>
> * Dying starter.
>
> * Loose or corroded cable connection someplace other than the battery.
>
> * Intermittent internal open or short inside battery.
>
> * * Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and I've
> never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that,
> despite stories of them warming up under load. We always run the engine
> up off idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it off in
> cold weather.


Get the battery tested, its free most anywhere.
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Old 13 Jan 2010, 08:24 am   #4 (permalink)
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On Jan 12, 9:46*pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
> * * "My housemate has been telling me for a couple of months that the
> starting interlock is going." snip

I had a 1989 corolla with the same problem only worse. After 3
batteries and 5 starters and different switches and new cables the
damn thing would still refuse to start when the temp was lower than 20
degrees. Triple A man showed me how to leave the car in neutral key in
the on position with parking brake on and jump two connections on the
starter. Car would then start right up. Battery good, cables good and
starter good. Car went down the road to my daughter for a few years.
Left a small jumper wire in the glove box and made sure she new how to
use it. Car is gone now and never did find the real cause. Gave the
Master Tech white hair trying to figure it out and cost me lots of
money. Good luck on finding whats wrong.
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Old 13 Jan 2010, 08:25 am   #5 (permalink)
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On Jan 12, 8:50*pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Leftie" <N...@Thanks.net> wrote in message
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> news:OD93n.5358$ap2.118@newsfe18.iad...
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>
>
> > * *My housemate has been telling me for a couple of months that the
> > starting interlock is going. I described how that would act (no sounds,no
> > cranking) and she agreed that this was the case. I could never reproduce
> > it. The other morning, at work, in 20 degree weather, I found what
> > appeared to be a very low battery: just a click and low groan when I tried
> > to start it. Jumping that car took two tries - it didn't turn over the
> > first time, just groaned a bit, but started right up the second. I drove
> > it home with the fan and rear defroster off, and then let the car sit a
> > couple of days to make sure the battery really was bad. When I tried to
> > start it today, same click and groan. HOWEVER, my housemate was with me
> > this time, and she told me that this was exactly what it has been doing
> > for weeks, and when I kept trying, after about 6 tries the starter
> > suddenly cranked at normal speed and the car started right up. I checked
> > the battery cables and they are not loose or corroded at the battery. The
> > way I see it, it's one of three things, in descending order of
> > probability:

>
> > * Dying starter.

>
> > * Loose or corroded cable connection someplace other than the battery.

>
> > * Intermittent internal open or short inside battery.

>
> > * *Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and I've
> > never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that, despite
> > stories of them warming up under load. We always run the engine up off
> > idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it off in cold
> > weather.

>
> HOUSEMATE??!!!! * *Is that what they call "shack-ups" these days?


Smart a** replay but no real help.
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Old 13 Jan 2010, 11:43 am   #6 (permalink)
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ransley wrote:
> On Jan 12, 8:46 pm, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
>> My housemate has been telling me for a couple of months that the
>> starting interlock is going. I described how that would act (no sounds,
>> no cranking) and she agreed that this was the case. I could never
>> reproduce it. The other morning, at work, in 20 degree weather, I found
>> what appeared to be a very low battery: just a click and low groan when
>> I tried to start it. Jumping that car took two tries - it didn't turn
>> over the first time, just groaned a bit, but started right up the
>> second. I drove it home with the fan and rear defroster off, and then
>> let the car sit a couple of days to make sure the battery really was
>> bad. When I tried to start it today, same click and groan. HOWEVER, my
>> housemate was with me this time, and she told me that this was exactly
>> what it has been doing for weeks, and when I kept trying, after about 6
>> tries the starter suddenly cranked at normal speed and the car started
>> right up. I checked the battery cables and they are not loose or
>> corroded at the battery. The way I see it, it's one of three things, in
>> descending order of probability:
>>
>> * Dying starter.
>>
>> * Loose or corroded cable connection someplace other than the battery.
>>
>> * Intermittent internal open or short inside battery.
>>
>> Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and I've
>> never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that,
>> despite stories of them warming up under load. We always run the engine
>> up off idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it off in
>> cold weather.

>
> Get the battery tested, its free most anywhere.



Battery testing wouldn't show an intermittent short or open, unless
it happened while the test was being performed.
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Old 13 Jan 2010, 02:58 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
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> Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and I've
> never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that, despite
> stories of them warming up under load. We always run the engine up off
> idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it off in cold
> weather.


Of course, the first thing to do is to clean the battery terminals, cable
terminals,
ground connections, etc. Whether this buys you any relief or not, it is
quick and
simple and makes sure you start your troubleshooting with that out of the
way.

Have you ever heard of a "dragging" starter? That happens when the bushings
are worn and wont keep the rotor centered. It always happened to me worse
when the weather was cold. It acts for all the world like a discharged
battery.
Sometimes the starter will work fine, and other times it wont do anything.
They
can be frustratingly intermittent. An "iffy" starter solenoid can do much
the same.
So will internal contact points that are past their prime.

The cure is to take the starter into a good starter/alternator shop and let
them have
a look at it. They can check out the starter, replace bushings, repair
solenoids, and
replace the contacts if needed. I would much prefer to have a good starter
shop
look at my starter than to buy a rebuild starter of a FLAPS shelf.

Last, yes, a battery problem is possible. A simple test is to turn on your
headlights
when you have this starting problem. If your headlights come on brightly,
and your
attempts to start the car dont dim the lights significantly, then the
battery is probably
not the issue.

I dont think I have ever had a starter switch (portion of the ignition
switch) go bad,
but that is also a possibility. I HAVE had an ignition switch (run
function) go
intermittently bad, and that is a real PITA.

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Old 13 Jan 2010, 07:34 pm   #8 (permalink)
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"Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message news:OD93n.5358$ap2.118@newsfe18.iad...
> My housemate has been telling me for a couple of months that the
> starting interlock is going. I described how that would act (no sounds,
> no cranking) and she agreed that this was the case. I could never
> reproduce it. The other morning, at work, in 20 degree weather, I found
> what appeared to be a very low battery: just a click and low groan when
> I tried to start it. Jumping that car took two tries - it didn't turn
> over the first time, just groaned a bit, but started right up the
> second. I drove it home with the fan and rear defroster off, and then
> let the car sit a couple of days to make sure the battery really was
> bad. When I tried to start it today, same click and groan. HOWEVER, my
> housemate was with me this time, and she told me that this was exactly
> what it has been doing for weeks, and when I kept trying, after about 6
> tries the starter suddenly cranked at normal speed and the car started
> right up. I checked the battery cables and they are not loose or
> corroded at the battery. The way I see it, it's one of three things, in
> descending order of probability:
>
> * Dying starter.
>
> * Loose or corroded cable connection someplace other than the battery.
>
> * Intermittent internal open or short inside battery.
>
> Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and I've
> never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that,
> despite stories of them warming up under load. We always run the engine
> up off idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it off in
> cold weather.


This may be your problem:

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/starter/


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Old 13 Jan 2010, 10:20 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Tony Marsillo wrote:
> "Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message news:OD93n.5358$ap2.118@newsfe18.iad...
>> My housemate has been telling me for a couple of months that the
>> starting interlock is going. I described how that would act (no sounds,
>> no cranking) and she agreed that this was the case. I could never
>> reproduce it. The other morning, at work, in 20 degree weather, I found
>> what appeared to be a very low battery: just a click and low groan when
>> I tried to start it. Jumping that car took two tries - it didn't turn
>> over the first time, just groaned a bit, but started right up the
>> second. I drove it home with the fan and rear defroster off, and then
>> let the car sit a couple of days to make sure the battery really was
>> bad. When I tried to start it today, same click and groan. HOWEVER, my
>> housemate was with me this time, and she told me that this was exactly
>> what it has been doing for weeks, and when I kept trying, after about 6
>> tries the starter suddenly cranked at normal speed and the car started
>> right up. I checked the battery cables and they are not loose or
>> corroded at the battery. The way I see it, it's one of three things, in
>> descending order of probability:
>>
>> * Dying starter.
>>
>> * Loose or corroded cable connection someplace other than the battery.
>>
>> * Intermittent internal open or short inside battery.
>>
>> Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and I've
>> never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that,
>> despite stories of them warming up under load. We always run the engine
>> up off idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it off in
>> cold weather.

>
> This may be your problem:
>
> http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/starter/
>
>


Maybe, but my car groans as well as clicks - as if the starter is
turning very slowly. I think the previous poster may be right about worn
bushings. Thanks for the link, though!
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Old 13 Jan 2010, 10:22 pm   #10 (permalink)
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hls wrote:
>
> "Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
> news:OD93n.5358$ap2.118@newsfe18.iad...
>
>> Any thoughts of a helpful nature? The alternator seems fine and
>> I've never seen a very low battery just spring back to life like that,
>> despite stories of them warming up under load. We always run the
>> engine up off idle a bit, with all accessories off, before shutting it
>> off in cold weather.

>
> Of course, the first thing to do is to clean the battery terminals,
> cable terminals,
> ground connections, etc. Whether this buys you any relief or not, it is
> quick and
> simple and makes sure you start your troubleshooting with that out of
> the way.
>
> Have you ever heard of a "dragging" starter? That happens when the
> bushings
> are worn and wont keep the rotor centered. It always happened to me worse
> when the weather was cold. It acts for all the world like a discharged
> battery.
> Sometimes the starter will work fine, and other times it wont do
> anything. They
> can be frustratingly intermittent. An "iffy" starter solenoid can do
> much the same.
> So will internal contact points that are past their prime.
>
> The cure is to take the starter into a good starter/alternator shop and
> let them have
> a look at it. They can check out the starter, replace bushings, repair
> solenoids, and
> replace the contacts if needed. I would much prefer to have a good
> starter shop
> look at my starter than to buy a rebuild starter of a FLAPS shelf.
>
> Last, yes, a battery problem is possible. A simple test is to turn on
> your headlights
> when you have this starting problem. If your headlights come on
> brightly, and your
> attempts to start the car dont dim the lights significantly, then the
> battery is probably
> not the issue.
>
> I dont think I have ever had a starter switch (portion of the ignition
> switch) go bad,
> but that is also a possibility. I HAVE had an ignition switch (run
> function) go
> intermittently bad, and that is a real PITA.



I'm inclined to agree with you on the symptoms. It was hard to tell
with the lights, as they had some road dirt on them, but the starter
eventually cranking at normal speeds would seem to preclude a genuinely
low battery...
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