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Old 26 Jan 2010, 05:00 pm   #1 (permalink)
Hachiroku ハチロク
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote:

> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North
> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models recalled
> last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals."
>
> From The Detroit News:
> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/d...#ixzz0dmQAmB7B


Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops
production.

Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded to
make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc.



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Old 26 Jan 2010, 06:37 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote:

> What they are doing now is is simply a PR move.
>
>
> Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic.
>
>
> Time will tell if their PR move pays off.
>
>
> Myself,
>
> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into the
> likes of a Toyota.


Really? What DO you put them into?

My last Toyota was recalled for...

the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static on
the radio.

With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into
reverse at any time...

Chevy making rolling blunders

I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you can
get at a good price.



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Old 26 Jan 2010, 09:31 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North
American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models
recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals."

From The Detroit News: http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/d...#ixzz0dmQAmB7B
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Old 26 Jan 2010, 11:07 pm   #4 (permalink)
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On Jan 26, 6:00 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote:
> > "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North
> > American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models recalled
> > last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals."

>
> > From The Detroit News:
> >http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/d...x.php?blogid=3...

>
> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops
> production.
>



Kinda took a while for them to realize an "error", didn't it???

How many recalls over the past ten years???

20 MILLION?????

Maybe even MORE???


Naw, this is simply more than Toyota "doing what is right".


They denied, and fought the sticking accelerator issue, just like they
fought the sludge in their engines.


They have MAJOR quality control issues at this point.


And MANY of them, I might add.




What they are doing now is is simply a PR move.


Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic.


Time will tell if their PR move pays off.


Myself,

I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
the likes of a Toyota.




> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded to
> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc.


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Old 27 Jan 2010, 12:30 am   #5 (permalink)
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jr92 wrote:

> Myself,
>
> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
> the likes of a Toyota.


Yeah, you want to put them into a vehicle where the manufacturer fights
to the end to not fix safety issues, not one where the manufacturer
acknowledges potential problems and fixes them.

What an idiot.
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Old 27 Jan 2010, 12:30 am   #6 (permalink)
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On Jan 26, 7:37 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote:
> > What they are doing now is is simply a PR move.

>
> > Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic.

>
> > Time will tell if their PR move pays off.

>
> > Myself,

>
> > I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into the
> > likes of a Toyota.

>
> Really? What DO you put them into?
>



Good old GM cars.



Perform better in crash tests than their Japanese counterparts.




Are more fuel effecient than their Japanese counterparts.




Have much better performance than their Japanese counterparts.




Are not recalled nearly as often as their Japanese counterparts.




Engines dont sludge, suspensions dont rust, and throttles dont stick
wide open nearly as often as their Japanese counterparts.




> My last Toyota was recalled for...
>
> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static on
> the radio.
>





And my last Pontiac was recalled for an external thermometer guage not
reading accuractly.





> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into
> reverse at any time...






Of course, certain Toyotas could have used a sticker warning drivers
that the throttle could stick wide open at any time.



>
> Chevy making rolling blunders
>





And certain Toyotas rolling over, period.




> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you can
> get at a good price.




Prices on many models are certain to go up, due to shortages, because,
at least for the time being, they arent being made anymore. (I guess
there goes your "good price")


There is a rumor going about that the vechicles throttles may stick
open. making them too dangerous to drive.


I guess that proves they "aren/t perfect."







In my books, that is FAR from being perfect.
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Old 27 Jan 2010, 06:24 am   #7 (permalink)
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On Jan 27, 12:30 am, jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 26, 7:37 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote:
> > > What they are doing now is is simply a PR move.

>
> > > Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic.

>
> > > Time will tell if their PR move pays off.

>
> > > Myself,

>
> > > I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into the
> > > likes of a Toyota.

>
> > Really? What DO you put them into?

>
> Good old GM cars.
>
> Perform better in crash tests than their Japanese counterparts.
>
> Are more fuel effecient than their Japanese counterparts.
>
> Have much better performance than their Japanese counterparts.
>
> Are not recalled nearly as often as their Japanese counterparts.
>
> Engines dont sludge, suspensions dont rust, and throttles dont stick
> wide open nearly as often as their Japanese counterparts.
>
> > My last Toyota was recalled for...

>
> > the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static on
> > the radio.

>
> And my last Pontiac was recalled for an external thermometer guage not
> reading accuractly.
>
> > With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into
> > reverse at any time...

>
> Of course, certain Toyotas could have used a sticker warning drivers
> that the throttle could stick wide open at any time.
>
>
>
> > Chevy making rolling blunders

>
> And certain Toyotas rolling over, period.
>
> > I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you can
> > get at a good price.

>
> Prices on many models are certain to go up, due to shortages, because,
> at least for the time being, they arent being made anymore. (I guess
> there goes your "good price")
>
> There is a rumor going about that the vechicles throttles may stick
> open. making them too dangerous to drive.
>
> I guess that proves they "aren/t perfect."
>
> In my books, that is FAR from being perfect.


PONTIAC, you compare Toy to PONTIAC
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA, you gota stop lyin
to yourself !! When I look at Consumer Reports ratings all the Black
marks on pontiac make me wonder how they survived this long. I went to
a dealer to look at one and drove it, the front windshield had 4 air
bubbles in it, it was a cheap black plastic interior, it reminded me
of that cheap 70s look on how they always looked dirty inside. I asked
if I could get brown, yea he said, but the dash would have been that
cheap black crappy looking shit, it dove hard, steered stiff and I
said to the salesman, " any company willing to pass this defective
piece of crap windshield with 4 air bubbles in it wont get my vote for
confidence that any bearings or anything elseis not defective or crap.
PONTIAC is the cheapest crap made besides Yugo. And you bs on milage
and all else is nothing but lies, and I am not driving a toyota right
now, but I still have one thats fine, a 91.
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Old 27 Jan 2010, 09:11 am   #8 (permalink)
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"Hachiroku *" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops
> production.
>
> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded to
> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc.
>
>


Mercedes did the same thing a few years ago with that ugly A class
a few years ago. They stopped sales and stopped all manufacture until
they got the engineering problem fixed. A lot better move, imo, than
the bandaid approach.

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Old 27 Jan 2010, 11:07 am   #9 (permalink)
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According to Automotive News, at this point Toyota does not have a clue as
to the cause. At first engineers believed it was caused by certain types
of floor mats. That led to a recall and an advisory to dealers to cut off
a part of the bottom of the accelerator, until new shorter ones could be
made available.

Turns out the accelerator petal was NOT the problem and engineers suspected
that it was the linkage itself, because Toyota with cut off accelerator
petals were running away.

However after over a dozen deaths it soon became apparent it was NOT the
linkage either, because vehicles with fly by wire throttle controls were
running away as well.

Most other manufactures have an override that disables the electronic
throttle when the brakes are applied, but Toyota does not. That does not
take into account the fact that manual linkages on older vehicles are also
having the problem.

The fact that both manual and fly by wire systems are going out of control
is perplexing, thus the stop selling order, as engineers scramble for the
cause.

If Toyota dealers can't sell, Toyota must stop manufacturing and importing
vehicles or they will end up in the position they were at the end of 2009
with hundreds of thousands of unsold vehicles still in plant storage lots
and at ports of entry.

When Toyota shut down the Tundra plant for three months, because of its
dismal sales, it still paid the workers at the Texas plant. Toyota had no
comment on whether they would pay it workers around the world during this
massive shut down. Stay tuned!



john" <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North
> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models
> recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals."
>
> From The Detroit News:
> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/d...#ixzz0dmQAmB7B



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Old 27 Jan 2010, 11:10 am   #10 (permalink)
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GM stopped production of the Fiero years ago and not longer makes Pontiac.
GM today is comprised of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC


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> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote:
>
>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North
>> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models recalled
>> last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals."
>>
>> From The Detroit News:
>> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/d...#ixzz0dmQAmB7B

>
> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops
> production.
>
> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded to
> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc.
>
>
>



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