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Old 04 Feb 2010, 04:18 pm   #1 (permalink)
Hachiroku ハチロク
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Default Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

Sent to NBC Nightly News:

With all the reports on Toyota's stuck accelerator problem, no one has
really said a lot about how to control the car if it does get away from
you. These are common-sense rules for handling a Toyota recently on
recall, and general rules for any car on which the accelerator is
sticking:

1. If the accelerator sticks in an open position, do not try to free it by
pressing on it! Get the car into neutral first.

2. Get the transmission into Neutral! Most cars sold in the US have
Automatic transmissions. For the 5% sold with manual transmissions,
depress the clutch and move the shift lever into Neutral.

For Automatics: if the vehicle is not equipped with a "Sport Shift" style
transmission, move the gear selector from Drive or Overdrive to the
Neutral position, in almost all cases one notch. On cars equipped with a
Sport Shift style transmission, the gear selector has to be moved back to
the Drive position before it can be shifted into Neutral.
On the Toyota models that have the Sport Shift and are subject to the
recall, it is best to refrain from using the manual shift option and until
the car is repaired; use the Drive position. Seconds can matter.

3. Turn the key to the ACC position.

On cars with a key, turn the key back one click to the ACC position. This
shuts off the engine to prevent any damage, but also turns off the power
steering and power brakes. The car will become harder to steer and stop,
but the engine will be off so if the gearshift is accidently moved back
into a gear, the car will coast to a stop.

4. Plant on or both feet firmly on the brakes.

Pedal pressure will be light until the effects of the engine being turned
off start to be felt. At first the pedal will operate normally. Do not
pump the pedal. This will cause the pedal to operate harder more quickly.
Instead, with one or both feet, depress the pedal and bring the car to a
safe stop.

5. At some point when it is safe to do so, turn on the flashers.

This will alert other drivers on the road that you are experiencing a
problem and hopefully avoid a collision.


These steps will ensure most people a safe stop.

Instead of telling us how bad Toyotas have become, and scaring the
daylights out of people, you would better serve the public by passing
these steps along to keep people safe.

It should also be mentioned that if a person is intimidated by their car
and might be unable to follow these steps, they should avoid driving the
car until the repair is made, and either have the car towed to the dealer,
or have it driven there by someone who would be able to control the car in
case of a runaway situation.

Having a scared person behind the wheel of an uncontrollable car is the
last thing that should be allowed to happen!


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Old 04 Feb 2010, 04:46 pm   #2 (permalink)
Mike Hunter
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

The problem with your suggestion is, by the time the average woman and older
guys that buy Toyotas, thinks to do all that they will have hit something



"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
newsan.2010.02.04.22.18.05.150644@e86.GTS...
> Sent to NBC Nightly News:
>
> With all the reports on Toyota's stuck accelerator problem, no one has
> really said a lot about how to control the car if it does get away from
> you. These are common-sense rules for handling a Toyota recently on
> recall, and general rules for any car on which the accelerator is
> sticking:
>
> 1. If the accelerator sticks in an open position, do not try to free it by
> pressing on it! Get the car into neutral first.
>
> 2. Get the transmission into Neutral! Most cars sold in the US have
> Automatic transmissions. For the 5% sold with manual transmissions,
> depress the clutch and move the shift lever into Neutral.
>
> For Automatics: if the vehicle is not equipped with a "Sport Shift" style
> transmission, move the gear selector from Drive or Overdrive to the
> Neutral position, in almost all cases one notch. On cars equipped with a
> Sport Shift style transmission, the gear selector has to be moved back to
> the Drive position before it can be shifted into Neutral.
> On the Toyota models that have the Sport Shift and are subject to the
> recall, it is best to refrain from using the manual shift option and until
> the car is repaired; use the Drive position. Seconds can matter.
>
> 3. Turn the key to the ACC position.
>
> On cars with a key, turn the key back one click to the ACC position. This
> shuts off the engine to prevent any damage, but also turns off the power
> steering and power brakes. The car will become harder to steer and stop,
> but the engine will be off so if the gearshift is accidently moved back
> into a gear, the car will coast to a stop.
>
> 4. Plant on or both feet firmly on the brakes.
>
> Pedal pressure will be light until the effects of the engine being turned
> off start to be felt. At first the pedal will operate normally. Do not
> pump the pedal. This will cause the pedal to operate harder more quickly.
> Instead, with one or both feet, depress the pedal and bring the car to a
> safe stop.
>
> 5. At some point when it is safe to do so, turn on the flashers.
>
> This will alert other drivers on the road that you are experiencing a
> problem and hopefully avoid a collision.
>
>
> These steps will ensure most people a safe stop.
>
> Instead of telling us how bad Toyotas have become, and scaring the
> daylights out of people, you would better serve the public by passing
> these steps along to keep people safe.
>
> It should also be mentioned that if a person is intimidated by their car
> and might be unable to follow these steps, they should avoid driving the
> car until the repair is made, and either have the car towed to the dealer,
> or have it driven there by someone who would be able to control the car in
> case of a runaway situation.
>
> Having a scared person behind the wheel of an uncontrollable car is the
> last thing that should be allowed to happen!
>
>



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Old 04 Feb 2010, 05:35 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

Older guys, huh. I'm 57 and can drive rings around your lame little
butt. Track or road, done em both. I suppose you are in your 20's. Guess
why MY insurance is cheaper than yours.

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in
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> The problem with your suggestion is, by the time the average woman and
> older guys that buy Toyotas, thinks to do all that they will have hit
> something
>

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Old 04 Feb 2010, 06:22 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno@e86.GTS>
wrote in newsan.2010.02.04.22.18.05.150644@e86.GTS:

> Sent to NBC Nightly News:
>
> With all the reports on Toyota's stuck accelerator problem, no one has
> really said a lot about how to control the car if it does get away
> from you. These are common-sense rules for handling a Toyota recently
> on recall, and general rules for any car on which the accelerator is
> sticking:
>
> 1. If the accelerator sticks in an open position, do not try to free
> it by pressing on it! Get the car into neutral first.
>

1b. Also do *not* crawl down and try to move either the carpet or the pedal
by hand as this will make you spill your beer and could spill the deepfryer
making things worse.
<g>

>
> Instead of telling us how bad Toyotas have become, and scaring the
> daylights out of people, you would better serve the public by passing
> these steps along to keep people safe.
>

Standard press MO. Hardly surprising. I would imagine the trade/auto
enthusiast journals are somewhat more clear on such things.

> It should also be mentioned that if a person is intimidated by their
> car and might be unable to follow these steps, they should avoid
> driving the car until the repair is made, and either have the car
> towed to the dealer, or have it driven there by someone who would be
> able to control the car in case of a runaway situation.
>
> Having a scared person behind the wheel of an uncontrollable car is
> the last thing that should be allowed to happen!
>

But unfortunately it happens *far* too often.



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Old 04 Feb 2010, 06:24 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing somethinguseful?

On Feb 4, 5:18 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:

That's stupid. Put it in neutral so it revs up and blows! Damn
intelligent. Just turn the ignition off!
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Old 04 Feb 2010, 06:43 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

I have cars older than that! I raced with Mario Andretti at Nazareth PA,
way back when it was a dirt track, in the sixties. LOL


"me" <me@home.net> wrote in message
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> Older guys, huh. I'm 57 and can drive rings around your lame little
> butt. Track or road, done em both. I suppose you are in your 20's. Guess
> why MY insurance is cheaper than yours.
>
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in
> news:4b6b4cb4$0$22809$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net:
>
>> The problem with your suggestion is, by the time the average woman and
>> older guys that buy Toyotas, thinks to do all that they will have hit
>> something
>>

> <SNIP>



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Old 04 Feb 2010, 06:44 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

I have cars older than that! I raced with Mario Andretti at Nazareth PA,
way back when it was a dirt track, in the sixties. LOL


"me" <me@home.net> wrote in message
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> Older guys, huh. I'm 57 and can drive rings around your lame little
> butt. Track or road, done em both. I suppose you are in your 20's. Guess
> why MY insurance is cheaper than yours.
>
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in
> news:4b6b4cb4$0$22809$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net:
>
>> The problem with your suggestion is, by the time the average woman and
>> older guys that buy Toyotas, thinks to do all that they will have hit
>> something
>>

> <SNIP>



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Old 04 Feb 2010, 07:28 pm   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:24:27 -0800, twisted wrote:

> On Feb 4, 5:18 pm, Hachiroku * <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
> That's stupid. Put it in neutral so it revs up and blows! Damn
> intelligent. Just turn the ignition off!



Um, what happens when you turn the ignition off in gear?


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Old 04 Feb 2010, 07:30 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:46:16 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:

> The problem with your suggestion is, by the time the average woman and
> older guys that buy Toyotas, thinks to do all that they will have hit
> something


I know. It's kinda like pissin in the wind...

>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> newsan.2010.02.04.22.18.05.150644@e86.GTS...
>> Sent to NBC Nightly News:
>>
>> With all the reports on Toyota's stuck accelerator problem, no one has
>> really said a lot about how to control the car if it does get away from
>> you. These are common-sense rules for handling a Toyota recently on
>> recall, and general rules for any car on which the accelerator is
>> sticking:
>>
>> 1. If the accelerator sticks in an open position, do not try to free it
>> by pressing on it! Get the car into neutral first.
>>
>> 2. Get the transmission into Neutral! Most cars sold in the US have
>> Automatic transmissions. For the 5% sold with manual transmissions,
>> depress the clutch and move the shift lever into Neutral.
>>
>> For Automatics: if the vehicle is not equipped with a "Sport Shift"
>> style transmission, move the gear selector from Drive or Overdrive to
>> the Neutral position, in almost all cases one notch. On cars equipped
>> with a Sport Shift style transmission, the gear selector has to be moved
>> back to the Drive position before it can be shifted into Neutral. On the
>> Toyota models that have the Sport Shift and are subject to the recall,
>> it is best to refrain from using the manual shift option and until the
>> car is repaired; use the Drive position. Seconds can matter.
>>
>> 3. Turn the key to the ACC position.
>>
>> On cars with a key, turn the key back one click to the ACC position.
>> This shuts off the engine to prevent any damage, but also turns off the
>> power steering and power brakes. The car will become harder to steer and
>> stop, but the engine will be off so if the gearshift is accidently moved
>> back into a gear, the car will coast to a stop.
>>
>> 4. Plant on or both feet firmly on the brakes.
>>
>> Pedal pressure will be light until the effects of the engine being
>> turned off start to be felt. At first the pedal will operate normally.
>> Do not pump the pedal. This will cause the pedal to operate harder more
>> quickly. Instead, with one or both feet, depress the pedal and bring the
>> car to a safe stop.
>>
>> 5. At some point when it is safe to do so, turn on the flashers.
>>
>> This will alert other drivers on the road that you are experiencing a
>> problem and hopefully avoid a collision.
>>
>>
>> These steps will ensure most people a safe stop.
>>
>> Instead of telling us how bad Toyotas have become, and scaring the
>> daylights out of people, you would better serve the public by passing
>> these steps along to keep people safe.
>>
>> It should also be mentioned that if a person is intimidated by their car
>> and might be unable to follow these steps, they should avoid driving the
>> car until the repair is made, and either have the car towed to the
>> dealer, or have it driven there by someone who would be able to control
>> the car in case of a runaway situation.
>>
>> Having a scared person behind the wheel of an uncontrollable car is the
>> last thing that should be allowed to happen!
>>
>>
>>


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Old 04 Feb 2010, 07:32 pm   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: Insteqad of pissing and moaning, "john" how about doing something useful?

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:35:10 +0000, me wrote:

> Older guys, huh. I'm 57 and can drive rings around your lame little butt.
> Track or road, done em both. I suppose you are in your 20's. Guess why MY
> insurance is cheaper than yours.


(you have your 'follow up' set to your e-mail addy...)

Now you're in for it...Other end of the spectrum!




>
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in
> news:4b6b4cb4$0$22809$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net:
>
>> The problem with your suggestion is, by the time the average woman and
>> older guys that buy Toyotas, thinks to do all that they will have hit
>> something
>>

> <SNIP>


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