Dealers to 2010 Prius Customer: Car Within Spec and "Get Used to It"

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Old 05 Feb 2010, 11:20 pm   #1 (permalink)
john
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Default Dealers to 2010 Prius Customer: Car Within Spec and "Get Used to It"

I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal
and "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!

Bart has taken her Prius into the dealer twice. "They've said they
can't find anything and they can't duplicate it," she said. "You have
to hit it just so."

One owner from Commerce Township told the National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration that he or she could reproduce a lurching in a
Prius every time a certain pothole was hit.

The Prius owner said a Toyota dealer had responded the car was "within
specifications ... and we just have to get used to it."

http://www.freep.com/article/2010020...-safety-issues

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Old 05 Feb 2010, 11:39 pm   #2 (permalink)
Hachiroku ハチロク
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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:20:35 -0800, john wrote:

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> I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal and
> "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!


You're fairly ignorant, aren't you?

Do you know what a car is?
Ever driven a Prius?
I doubt it.

Try looking this term up. It might be a little over your head:
Regenerative Braking

Learn something.



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Old 06 Feb 2010, 06:57 am   #3 (permalink)
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john <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:099eb70a-19f1-46de-b6d5-2c63c0d3642d@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

> I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal
> and "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!
>




You're aware that Ford has admitted to having the exact same problem with
its hybrids?


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Old 06 Feb 2010, 07:08 am   #4 (permalink)
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On Feb 5, 11:39 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:20:35 -0800, john wrote:
>
> > I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal and
> > "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!

>
> You're fairly ignorant, aren't you?
>
> Do you know what a car is?
> Ever driven a Prius?
> I doubt it.
>
> Try looking this term up. It might be a little over your head:
> Regenerative Braking
>
> Learn something.

Who is ignorant? Toyota admitted software is at fault in the prius
allowing a 1 second brake delay. They fixed the prius production line
last month. At 60 mph you only go 86 feet before brakes engauge. Thats
about 90 feet of praying for 2010 prius owners, you wouldnt drive a
car like that, nor would I. They say its software but say they havnt
decided on how to fix it and havnt even sent out warnings or a recall
notice, that my friend is ignorant for toyota to do nothing until they
are headlione news. They probably have to replace the computer and a
few more things, but dont want the expense, 1.7 billion 09 4th quarter
profit and they are worries about maybe 200-1000 a car to fix it!
Thats ignorant. You are upset they are headline news, they would never
have been the main headline for long if they fixed what they knew all
along was wrong.
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Old 06 Feb 2010, 08:31 am   #5 (permalink)
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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D1750E6FA99tegger@208.90.168.18...
> john <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:099eb70a-19f1-46de-b6d5-2c63c0d3642d@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
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>> I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal
>> and "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!
>>

>
>
>
> You're aware that Ford has admitted to having the exact same problem with
> its hybrids?
>

Does Ford still license their hybrid technology from Toyota?


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Old 06 Feb 2010, 09:37 am   #6 (permalink)
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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:20:35 -0800, john wrote:

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> I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal
> and "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!


<YAWN> Keep taking the bus. You can tell the driver what he's doing wrong.


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Old 06 Feb 2010, 01:49 pm   #7 (permalink)
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john <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal
>and "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!
>
>Bart has taken her Prius into the dealer twice. "They've said they
>can't find anything and they can't duplicate it," she said. "You have
>to hit it just so."
>
>One owner from Commerce Township told the National Highway Traffic
>Safety Administration that he or she could reproduce a lurching in a
>Prius every time a certain pothole was hit.


The correct answer to that is, "don't hit the pothole."

Maybe the owner should get a Lincoln Continental instead, then she'd
know what lurching really means.
--scott

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Old 06 Feb 2010, 03:42 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:31:22 -0600, Al Falfa wrote:

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> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D1750E6FA99tegger@208.90.168.18...
>> john <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:099eb70a-19f1-46de-b6d5-2c63c0d3642d@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal
>>> and "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>> You're aware that Ford has admitted to having the exact same problem
>> with its hybrids?
>>

> Does Ford still license their hybrid technology from Toyota?



Nope.


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Old 07 Feb 2010, 05:52 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Al Falfa wrote:
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> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D1750E6FA99tegger@208.90.168.18...
>> john <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:099eb70a-19f1-46de-b6d5-2c63c0d3642d@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal
>>> and "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> You're aware that Ford has admitted to having the exact same problem with
>> its hybrids?
>>

> Does Ford still license their hybrid technology from Toyota?


Ford cross-licensed its technology with Toyota. Ford got a lot of its
technology from Volvo. When Ford lawyers looked at the patents, they saw
that their technology was similar, so they had to cross-license the
patents, with Toyota get access to some of Ford's other technology.

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Old 07 Feb 2010, 08:58 pm   #10 (permalink)
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On Feb 6, 12:20*am, john <johngd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know why some dealers like to BS like this: faults are normal
> and "within spec", so "get used to it" !!!
>
> Bart has taken her Prius into the dealer twice. "They've said they
> can't find anything and they can't duplicate it," she said. "You have
> to hit it just so."



It is the owner's responsiblity to define the exact
conditions when the problem occurs - the
problem must be repeatable if the cause and
solution is to be determine. You have the
same problem when you go to the doctor
- if the doctor can't find a repeatably
measurable problem with you - he's going to
assume you are a hypochondriac.
you need to have all your ducks in a
row if you expect to make any progress.


>
> One owner from Commerce Township told the National Highway Traffic
> Safety Administration that he or she could reproduce a lurching in a
> Prius every time a certain pothole was hit.
>
> The Prius owner said a Toyota dealer had responded the car was "within
> specifications ... and we just have to get used to it."
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/2010020...8/2010-Prius-c...



As with any car with Electronic Stablity Control, when
the car hits a pothole at high speed the computer sensors will
sense that the tire has momentarily loss traction in that wheel
and which would mean that hydraulic brakes would be momentarily
useless in that particular wheel. In order for the car not to spin
out of control while it is going in a straight line, the ESC would
try to adjust the speed on the other wheel on that same axle
so both wheels on that axle are going at the same speed.
However, this situation should not cause the car to
accelerate the throttle or lose braking power. At low speeds , when
the tire loses traction - a hybrid should shuts down the electric
motor to prevent the electric motor from burning out. When a tire
loses
traction at high speed, if anti lock brakes were applied on a
conventional car, the computer would automatically pump/pulse
the hydraulic brakes at regular interval - all the driver needs
to do is keep pressing the brake pedal and the comptuer
does the rest. To increase braking response time, Toyota
can reprogram the brakes to have shorter the time delay
between pulsing the hydraulic brakes. The other possible
change that I've read about is shortening of the time delay
from switching over from the regenerative brakes to hydraulic
braking system during braking operations - when an emergency
stopping situation is sensed. I drove a 2006 and a 2008
Prius rental from Enterprise for a combination of over
1200 miles in 2008 but never noticed any braking problems,
sudden acceleration problems or any operational problems
at all while I was behind the wheel. So I was very surprised
to read about this problem last year. I suspect that this is
not so much a problem with Toyota but with the
technology they've used -and while some people are
frustrated and upset with Toyota - some of the racist
anti-japanese comment's I've seen on some of the newslink
are downright reprehensible and ugly.

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