Only BMW 5 Series, Hyundai Sonata get NHTSA top safety ratings of2011 models

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Old 05 Oct 2010, 09:29 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default Only BMW 5 Series, Hyundai Sonata get NHTSA top safety ratings of2011 models

BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.

The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
Motors’ large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
collisions.

Toyota Camry received a 3-star overall score, lower than the 4-stars
NHTSA gave to Ford Taurus, Chevrolet Malibu and Subaru’s new Legacy
and Outback models.

Jeep Grand Cherokee received 4 stars for both the rear-wheel and 4-
wheel drive versions, although the 4-wheel drive version had a better
rating on rollover risk.

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Old 05 Oct 2010, 09:53 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On 10/05/2010 07:29 PM, john wrote:
> BMW�s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
> receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
> Traffic Safety Administration�s new safety evaluations.
>
> The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
> Motors� large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
> reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
> collisions.


like this kind of heavy vehicle "john"?

http://www.leasetips.com/f150crashtest.htm

heavy doesn't mean shit if the passenger cell deforms. yet another myth
brought to you by the united alliance of public cash extraction -
detroit and the oil industry.


>
> Toyota Camry received a 3-star overall score, lower than the 4-stars
> NHTSA gave to Ford Taurus, Chevrolet Malibu and Subaru�s new Legacy
> and Outback models.


no bias there then!


>
> Jeep Grand Cherokee received 4 stars for both the rear-wheel and 4-
> wheel drive versions, although the 4-wheel drive version had a better
> rating on rollover risk.


yeah, suv's are "dead" safe - they never roll and crush their occupants.


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Old 05 Oct 2010, 10:09 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On 10/5/2010 4:53 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 10/05/2010 07:29 PM, john wrote:
>> BMW�s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
>> receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
>> Traffic Safety Administration�s new safety evaluations.
>>
>> The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
>> Motors� large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
>> reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
>> collisions.

>
> like this kind of heavy vehicle "john"?
>
> http://www.leasetips.com/f150crashtest.htm
>
> heavy doesn't mean shit if the passenger cell deforms. yet another myth
> brought to you by the united alliance of public cash extraction -
> detroit and the oil industry.


And then you have this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJHpUO-S0i8

This makes retrieval of the bodies a piece of cake. :-)

>
>
>>
>> Toyota Camry received a 3-star overall score, lower than the 4-stars
>> NHTSA gave to Ford Taurus, Chevrolet Malibu and Subaru�s new Legacy
>> and Outback models.

>
> no bias there then!
>
>
>>
>> Jeep Grand Cherokee received 4 stars for both the rear-wheel and 4-
>> wheel drive versions, although the 4-wheel drive version had a better
>> rating on rollover risk.

>
> yeah, suv's are "dead" safe - they never roll and crush their occupants.
>
>


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Old 06 Oct 2010, 06:59 am   #4 (permalink)
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On 10/05/2010 07:29 PM, john wrote:
>> BMW?s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
>> receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
>> Traffic Safety Administration?s new safety evaluations.
>>
>> The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
>> Motors? large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
>> reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
>> collisions.

>
> like this kind of heavy vehicle "john"?
>
> http://www.leasetips.com/f150crashtest.htm
>
> heavy doesn't mean shit if the passenger cell deforms. yet another myth
> brought to you by the united alliance of public cash extraction - detroit
> and the oil industry.


That is a nearly a ten year old test and the F150 tested was a 1995 design
while the Tundra was designed 5 years later. Like most newer vehicles, the
2010 F150 did far better than the older models.

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=70

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx

One thing that always makes me wonder about those tests is how the vehciles
actually perform in the real world. For instance if you take a look at the
injury loss rating for 2001 Pick-ups, the F150 actually has a lower injury
loss rating than the 2001 Tundra, despiste horror stories as portratyed in
the IIHS crash test you referenced (see
http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/ic.../ictl_0902.pdf and
http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/ic.../ictl_0904.pdf ).

I do agree with your basic point, heavy vehicle are not necessarily safer
than lighter vehicles. However in a collision between a 2001 F150 and a 2001
Civic, I'd rather be in the F150. Fixed barrier crashes tend to favor
lighter vehciles since they have less kinetic energy to dissipate. In
vehicle on vehicle crashes, the lighter vehicle usually comes out the worse.

Ed

>> Toyota Camry received a 3-star overall score, lower than the 4-stars
>> NHTSA gave to Ford Taurus, Chevrolet Malibu and Subaru?s new Legacy
>> and Outback models.

>
> no bias there then!
>
>
>>
>> Jeep Grand Cherokee received 4 stars for both the rear-wheel and 4-
>> wheel drive versions, although the 4-wheel drive version had a better
>> rating on rollover risk.

>
> yeah, suv's are "dead" safe - they never roll and crush their occupants.
>
>
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Old 06 Oct 2010, 09:47 am   #5 (permalink)
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"john" <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
>receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
>Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.

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That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>



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Old 06 Oct 2010, 10:47 am   #6 (permalink)
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On Oct 5, 10:29*pm, john <johngd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
> receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
> Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.
>
> The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
> Motors’ large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
> reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
> collisions.


Actually, the frontal crash ratings of the NHTSA are biased in favor
of
smaller vehicles. Here it is directly from the NHTSA itself:

"Since the frontal crash test reflects a crash between two similar
vehicles, only vehicles from the same weight class, plus or minus 250
lbs., can be compared when
looking at frontal crash ratings."

http://www.safercar.gov/staticfiles/...t/pdfs/faq.pdf

In other words, the organization that put out these ratings are
telling you not
to compare the ratings of any two of these: Sonata, BMW, Yukon.

If you want to see a safety rating where an honest attempt is made to
integrate in
the weight as a factor, go to this site:

http://www.informedforlife.org/

(BTW, when a particular NHTSA or IIHS rating is not available the site
uses the general average rating. This can bias the comparison of the
site's rating score, particularly when important ratings are
misssing.)
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Old 06 Oct 2010, 10:49 am   #7 (permalink)
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On Oct 6, 11:47*am, Tom Adams <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 10:29*pm, john <johngd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
> > receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
> > Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.

>
> > The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
> > Motors’ large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
> > reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
> > collisions.

>
> Actually, the frontal crash ratings of the NHTSA are biased in favor
> of
> smaller vehicles. *Here it is directly from the NHTSA itself:
>
> "Since the frontal crash test reflects a crash between two similar
> vehicles, only vehicles from the same weight class, plus or minus 250
> lbs., can be compared when
> looking at frontal crash ratings."
>
> http://www.safercar.gov/staticfiles/...t/pdfs/faq.pdf
>
> In other words, the organization that put out these ratings are
> telling you not
> to compare the ratings of any two of these: Sonata, BMW, Yukon.
>
> If you want to see a safety rating where an honest attempt is made to
> integrate in
> the weight as a factor, go to this site:
>
> http://www.informedforlife.org/
>
> (BTW, when a particular NHTSA or IIHS rating is not available the site
> uses the general average rating. *This can bias the comparison of the
> site's rating score, particularly when important ratings are
> misssing.)


And, of course, since NHTSA integrated overall rating is based in part
on the frontal crash rating, it is also biased in favor of smaller
cars.
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Old 06 Oct 2010, 12:13 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Oct 6, 4:47*am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "john" <johngd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:16609082-89ed-449b-9a31-4173b54bada8@13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...>BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
> >receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
> >Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.

>
> -
> That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>


You're in luck! I've got a Hyundai for sale. I'll even take that Lexus
off your hand. Please get rid of that deathtrap!
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Old 07 Oct 2010, 06:46 am   #9 (permalink)
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On 2010-10-06, Wayne <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote:
> That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>


You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
than the damned Krauts.)

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Old 07 Oct 2010, 07:01 am   #10 (permalink)
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"Roger Blake" <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 2010-10-06, Wayne <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote:
>> That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

>
> You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
> forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
> conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
> than the damned Krauts.)


So which country / race / religion has completely clean hands? Before you
condem the Japanese of today for the things done nearly 70 years ago, you
might consider how Native Americans, Africans imported as slaves,
Phillipinos, etc., etc., feel about the actions of the decendents of white
immigrants to North America.

Ed


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