Re: Brake Override System Could Have Saved the 19 Lives -- ToyotaNot Putting It on All Models

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Old 10 Feb 2010, 05:26 pm   #1 (permalink)
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ransley wrote:
> On Feb 9, 10:46 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:33:19 -0800, john wrote:
>>> "No matter the cause of the problem ― floor mats, sticky pedals or
>>> electromagnetic interference ― engineers and safety regulators told the
>>> Free Press that brake override is the solution.
>>> Said Joseph Kanianthra, a former National Highway Traffic Safety
>>> Administration official: “If the brake override was available in those
>>> vehicles, it could probably have prevented unintended accelebration.”
>>> Full article at:
>>> http://www.freep.com/article/2010020...048/1332/busin...

>> Why don't you go ahead and design one and send it alnog to Toyota, genius?

>
> Toyota has it, an easy programming fix. Cheap Ass Toyota wants you to
> learn how to put er in neutral and pull the emergency brake instead.


Maybe they don't have anything left in their pcm's to handle the
overhead of that programming fix.
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Old 12 Feb 2010, 12:24 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Hachiroku * wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:33:19 -0800, john wrote:
>
>> "No matter the cause of the problem floor mats, sticky pedals or
>> electromagnetic interference engineers and safety regulators told the
>> Free Press that brake override is the solution.
>>
>> Said Joseph Kanianthra, a former National Highway Traffic Safety
>> Administration official: If the brake override was available in those
>> vehicles, it could probably have prevented unintended accelebration.
>>
>> Full article at:
>> http://www.freep.com/article/2010020...me-experts-ask

>
>
> Why don't you go ahead and design one and send it alnog to Toyota, genius?


No need.... If they don't want to program it themselves, Toyota could
just outsource fully functional brake override software from almost any
other carmaker out there. Ford, GM, Chrysler, BMW, Benz, Nissan,
Honda.... They all have it already on their throttle-by-wire cars.



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Old 12 Feb 2010, 08:29 pm   #3 (permalink)
Hachiroku ハチロク
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Default Re: Brake Override System Could Have Saved the 19 Lives -- Toyota Not Putting It on All Models

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:24:44 -0600, Steve wrote:

> Hachiroku * wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:33:19 -0800, john wrote:
>>
>>> "No matter the cause of the problem floor mats, sticky pedals or
>>> electromagnetic interference engineers and safety regulators told
>>> the Free Press that brake override is the solution.
>>>
>>> Said Joseph Kanianthra, a former National Highway Traffic Safety
>>> Administration official: If the brake override was available in
>>> those vehicles, it could probably have prevented unintended
>>> accelebration.
>>>
>>> Full article at:
>>> http://www.freep.com/article/2010020...me-experts-ask

>>
>>
>> Why don't you go ahead and design one and send it alnog to Toyota,
>> genius?

>
> No need.... If they don't want to program it themselves, Toyota could just
> outsource fully functional brake override software from almost any other
> carmaker out there. Ford, GM, Chrysler, BMW, Benz, Nissan, Honda.... They
> all have it already on their throttle-by-wire cars.



All fine and good, but 'john' here keeps posting this bile to the toyota
groups. If he were smart, he'd have at Toyota. They have a consumer call
line.


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Old 12 Feb 2010, 10:33 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
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> No need.... If they don't want to program it themselves, Toyota could just
> outsource fully functional brake override software from almost any other
> carmaker out there. Ford, GM, Chrysler, BMW, Benz, Nissan, Honda.... They
> all have it already on their throttle-by-wire cars.
>
>
>



Toyota already has it too and I am kind of surprised it isn't universally
used on all models. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiSQeaeWxGU

People who want to know how a car should behave if the throttle pedal acts
up electrically need only to do a search for Prius big hand syndrome. The
NHW11 used a dual potentiometer instead of a hall effect sensor and as with
all potentiometers they eventually get scratchy and fail. This includes the
NHW11 throttle pedal sensor, the throttle position sensor on most cars and
the mechanical airflow meters used on some vehicles.


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