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Old 10 Feb 2010, 05:47 pm   #1 (permalink)
Hachiroku ハチロク
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:18:03 -1000, dsi1 wrote:

>>> Oh, I didnt read your question, Nobody told me anything. I have nothing
>>> to do with anything relating to autos except driving them, and I still
>>> have a toyota in my garage.

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>> Well, take the friggin' thing out and DRIVE it!!

>
> Wow, this is nutz. It's total mass hysteria! Toyotas are looking to be the
> most dangerous consumer product since self-heating radium toilet seats!


THAT'S what put the blisters on my ass!!!



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Old 11 Feb 2010, 08:33 am   #2 (permalink)
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> Not by a friggin' longshot!
>
> #1 Ford 2008 (12 million vehicles)
> In February of 2008, Ford issued the industry's largest-ever recall,
> affecting Lincoln and Mercury SUVs, pickups, cars, and vans of model
> years '93 to '04. The lowly cruise-control switch was behind this
> mother-of-all do-overs. It had a nasty habit of catching fire,
> sometimes
> hours after the vehicle had been parked and turned off. Owner
> response,
> however, has been slow, so in a rare move Ford reissued the recall
> in
> September of 2008 for the 5 million vehicles still unrepaired.
>
> #2. Ford 1996 (8.6 million vehicles)
> In 1996, after customers complained of fires caused by faulty
> ignition
> systems, Ford Motor Co. recalled vehicles including 1998-'93
> Escorts,
> Mustangs, Tempos, Thunderbirds, Cougars, Crown Vics, Grand Marquis,
> Lincoln Town Cars, Aerostars, Broncos, and F-series trucks.
>
> #3. GM 1971 (6.7 million vehicles)
> In 1971, some GM customers got the ride of their lives as engine
> mounts
> began separating from frames and falling back onto throttles. The
> models
> with these rocket-like tendencies included Belair, Brookwood,
> Camaro,
> Caprice, Chevrolet, Chevy II, G Series, Impala, Kingswood, Nova, P
> Series, C Series, and Townsmen.
>
> #4 GM 1981 (5.8 million vehicles)
> Some drivers learned the hard way that suspension bolts in certain
> GM
> models had a way of wiggling themselves loose. The result? The loss
> of
> ability to steer the car. In 1981, GM offered to replace the dubious
> bolts in the Century, Regal, El Camino, Malibu, Monte Carlo,
> Caballero,
> Cutlass, Grand Prix, and Lemans.
>
> #5. Ford 1971 (4.1 million vehicles)
>
> Seatbelt shoulder harnesses on 1970 and '71 Ford Rancheros,
> Lincolns,
> Mercurys, and Fords (yes, there was at one time a Ford Ford) had an
> annoying tendency to fray and detach from the metal holding it to
> the
> frame. And though few drivers were even wearing seatbelts back then,
> Ford
> did the right thing and issued the recall.
>
> #6 GM 1973 (3.7 million vehicles)
>
> The ability to control where your car actually goes is important. GM
> saw
> the truth of this in 1973 when they agreed to install engine shields
> to
> prevent stones from disabling the steering assembly. 18 models were
> affected: Centurion, Electra, Estate Wagon, LeSabre, Riviera,
> Belair,
> Biscayne, Brookwood, Caprice, Impala, Kingswood, Kingswood Estate,
> Townsmen, Olds 88 and 98, Bonneville, Grand Ville, and Catalina.
>
> #7 Honda 1995 (3.7 million vehicles)
>
> In 1995, American Honda Motor Co. dealt with a serious concern in
> some of
> its models. Cracked and disintegrating safety-belt release buttons
> were
> causing belts to fail or-just as potentially dangerous-trapping
> passengers in their cars after an accident. The recall included
> Civic,
> Prelude, Accord, Acura, Legend, Integra, and NSX models.
>
> #8 Volkswagen 1972 (3.7 million vehicles)
> Lost visibility can be just as dangerous as fire or a failing
> seatbelt.
> Some Volkswagen of America customers found this out the hard way
> when
> their windshield wiper arms worked themselves loose and went
> spinning off
> into the rain or snow. So in 1972, Volkswagen offered to replace the
> part
> in Bugs built between 1949 and 1969.
>
> #9 GM 2004 (3.6 million vehicles)
> From 1999 to 2004, tailgating took on a new dimension for the 134
> customers who suffered minor accidents from collapsing tailgates.
> Corroded cables were the culprits. In 2004, GM offered to replace
> the
> tailgate cables on Silverados, Sierras, Escalades, and Avalanches.
> In
> their defense, it should be noted that customers are clearly warned
> not
> to stand on open tailgates. At least 134 have not read that part of
> the
> owner's manual.
>
> #10 Ford 1987 (3.6 million vehicles)
> Engine-compartment fires caused by faulty fuel-line connectors
> compelled
> Ford to issue this recall in 1987. While not the biggest in terms of
> vehicle numbers, this recall may be the widest: affected vehicles
> included virtually every model Ford made, including F150-350 trucks,
> and
> all Lincoln and Mercury models.
>
>
> WOW! Toyota's 2.1M didn't even make the top ten.


2.1M???, I thought they were well over 8M now for the fualty
accelerator pedals alone....

http://www.toyota.com/recall/

Ed


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Old 11 Feb 2010, 09:41 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:33:05 -0500, C. E. White wrote:

>> WOW! Toyota's 2.1M didn't even make the top ten.

>
> 2.1M???, I thought they were well over 8M now for the fualty accelerator
> pedals alone....
>
> http://www.toyota.com/recall/
>
> Ed


2.1 in the US, I believe. The number seems to change from day to day...



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Old 12 Feb 2010, 10:33 am   #4 (permalink)
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On Feb 11, 10:41 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:33:05 -0500, C. E. White wrote:
> >> WOW! Toyota's 2.1M didn't even make the top ten.

>
> > 2.1M???, I thought they were well over 8M now for the fualty accelerator
> > pedals alone....

>
> >http://www.toyota.com/recall/

>
> > Ed

>
> 2.1 in the US, I believe. The number seems to change from day to day...


Here is what I could find:

CTS Pedal Fix

United States: 2.3 million vehicles
Canada: 270,000 vehicles
Europe: 1.8 million vehicles
China: 75,552 vehicles

Floor Mat Entrapment (some vehicles are also involved in the Pedal
Fix)

United States: 5.35 million vehicles
Canada: 200,000

Best extimate I've seen is that there are probably a total of 5.6
million different vehciles being called in the for at least one of the
unintended acceleration problems. This does not include the separate
recalls / probable recalls for hybrid brakes, Corolla steering,
defective frames, defective ball joints, defective fuel systems,
defective cruise contraols, etc., etc., etc.).

Ed


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Old 12 Feb 2010, 12:28 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>> Not by a friggin' longshot!


So far.

But when its finally proven to be a firmware problem instead of
something with floor mats or accelerator pedals and they have to recall
all these vehicles and others AGAIN....
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