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Old 12 Feb 2010, 10:25 pm   #1 (permalink)
Hachiroku ハチロク
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Default Toyota's feet in the fire...

Another recall, don't know how many units it affects, but just the fact
there is yet another recall does not bode well for the automaker.

If Toyota were smart, they'd go back to the way they were making cars in
the 80's to get the confidence in their brand back again. Of course, this
is going cost more per unit to make each car.

But Toyota is also not in a position to raise prices right now, either.
The perception among Joe Six-packers is going to be, "They're selling
JUNK, and they're going to RAISE prices?!?!"

Of course, Government Motors got away with this for years, because they
could. Toyota in the US, although they sell a lot of cars here and have a
large following it still struggling to be the #1 seller in the US, and all
of thisis not going to fare well for them.

Look for bargains coming from Toyota again...

If you already have a Toyota, don't expect to sell it at the premiums
their used cars were going for before.

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Old 12 Feb 2010, 11:29 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On 02/12/2010 08:25 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> Another recall, don't know how many units it affects, but just the fact
> there is yet another recall does not bode well for the automaker.
>
> If Toyota were smart, they'd go back to the way they were making cars in
> the 80's to get the confidence in their brand back again. Of course, this
> is going cost more per unit to make each car.
>
> But Toyota is also not in a position to raise prices right now, either.
> The perception among Joe Six-packers is going to be, "They're selling
> JUNK, and they're going to RAISE prices?!?!"
>
> Of course, Government Motors got away with this for years, because they
> could. Toyota in the US, although they sell a lot of cars here and have a
> large following it still struggling to be the #1 seller in the US, and all
> of thisis not going to fare well for them.
>
> Look for bargains coming from Toyota again...
>
> If you already have a Toyota, don't expect to sell it at the premiums
> their used cars were going for before.
>


gm are being retarded cashing in their political chips right now. fact
is, we're still in the grip of a recession. people are still losing
their jobs. so wtf is going to buy a new car? answer: hardly anyone.
if they weren't brain-dead, they'd have waited until the market rose a
bit, or better yet, done this just /before/ cash-for-clunkers. ****ing
morons deserve absolutely zero sympathy.

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Old 12 Feb 2010, 11:31 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On 2/12/2010 11:25 PM, Hachiroku * wrote:
> Another recall, don't know how many units it affects, but just the fact
> there is yet another recall does not bode well for the automaker.
>
> If Toyota were smart, they'd go back to the way they were making cars in
> the 80's to get the confidence in their brand back again. Of course, this
> is going cost more per unit to make each car.
>
> But Toyota is also not in a position to raise prices right now, either.
> The perception among Joe Six-packers is going to be, "They're selling
> JUNK, and they're going to RAISE prices?!?!"
>
> Of course, Government Motors got away with this for years, because they
> could. Toyota in the US, although they sell a lot of cars here and have a
> large following it still struggling to be the #1 seller in the US, and all
> of thisis not going to fare well for them.
>
> Look for bargains coming from Toyota again...
>
> If you already have a Toyota, don't expect to sell it at the premiums
> their used cars were going for before.
>


I wish they'd do a Celica like the last one. I just missed buying one. I
know the torqueless thing was something of a chore to dive but it fit me
like a glove. Curiously, the one I test drove had a major CLUNK from the
front somewhere. Dealer seemed to think that was normal for a Celica so
I passed. Maybe that experience was a harbinger of things to come.
Anyway, if I wanted the Camry/Corolla experience, I'd just buy the real
thing - a Buick.

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Old 12 Feb 2010, 11:45 pm   #4 (permalink)
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:31:51 -0500, FridoLay wrote:

>> If you already have a Toyota, don't expect to sell it at the premiums
>> their used cars were going for before.
>>
>>

> I wish they'd do a Celica like the last one.


They had a RED! GT and a silver GTS on the local lot. I took the red GT
out ($12,990) and passed on the GTS ($17,995) because of the $5000
difference. I got to drive a couple GTS models while I was working for a
dealer. WOW!!

The GT had a kind of quirky feel in the rear, and I pointed it out. She
said she'd have it looked over and get back to me.

They looked it over, fixed it an RAISED THE PRICE $1,000!!!
$14,000 for a 6 year old car w/58,000 miles. NOPE!

I went to the nearest (42 miles away) Scion dealer and picked up a 1 year
old tC w/11,000 on it for $15,000.

I HATE THE SEATING POSITION!!!!!!!!!

Yup...the Celica fit like a glove...



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Old 12 Feb 2010, 11:46 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:29:12 -0800, jim beam wrote:

> On 02/12/2010 08:25 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> Another recall, don't know how many units it affects, but just the fact
>> there is yet another recall does not bode well for the automaker.
>>
>> If Toyota were smart, they'd go back to the way they were making cars in
>> the 80's to get the confidence in their brand back again. Of course,
>> this is going cost more per unit to make each car.
>>
>> But Toyota is also not in a position to raise prices right now, either.
>> The perception among Joe Six-packers is going to be, "They're selling
>> JUNK, and they're going to RAISE prices?!?!"
>>
>> Of course, Government Motors got away with this for years, because they
>> could. Toyota in the US, although they sell a lot of cars here and have
>> a large following it still struggling to be the #1 seller in the US, and
>> all of thisis not going to fare well for them.
>>
>> Look for bargains coming from Toyota again...
>>
>> If you already have a Toyota, don't expect to sell it at the premiums
>> their used cars were going for before.
>>
>>

> gm are being retarded cashing in their political chips right now. fact
> is, we're still in the grip of a recession. people are still losing their
> jobs. so wtf is going to buy a new car? answer: hardly anyone. if they
> weren't brain-dead, they'd have waited until the market rose a bit, or
> better yet, done this just /before/ cash-for-clunkers. ****ing morons
> deserve absolutely zero sympathy.


Wow. Jim Beam and I AGREE on something!

Everybody have a drink!!!!



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Old 13 Feb 2010, 08:53 am   #6 (permalink)
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In message <hl5e97$ejk$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno@e86.GTS>
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>I went to the nearest (42 miles away) Scion dealer and picked up a 1 year
>old tC w/11,000 on it for $15,000.
>
>I HATE THE SEATING POSITION!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps that's because the Scion is marketed for teenagers, keeps them
out of the real car. Teens are more flexible than you or I.
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Old 13 Feb 2010, 11:44 am   #7 (permalink)
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On 02/13/2010 09:31 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
> (Cross postings deleted, automatticly)


don't do that mike - very bad etiquette.


>
> Where have YOU been? New cars sales are UP over past months.


there's a number of news sources you should bother to pay attention to
mike if you want to be taken seriously - the wsj is one of them. sales
are down. 49% down for gm.

http://blogs.wsj.com/autoshow/2009/0...s/tab/article/


>
> "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> On 02/12/2010 08:25 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>> Another recall, don't know how many units it affects, but just the fact
>>> there is yet another recall does not bode well for the automaker.
>>>
>>> If Toyota were smart, they'd go back to the way they were making cars in
>>> the 80's to get the confidence in their brand back again. Of course, this
>>> is going cost more per unit to make each car.
>>>
>>> But Toyota is also not in a position to raise prices right now, either.
>>> The perception among Joe Six-packers is going to be, "They're selling
>>> JUNK, and they're going to RAISE prices?!?!"
>>>
>>> Of course, Government Motors got away with this for years, because they
>>> could. Toyota in the US, although they sell a lot of cars here and have a
>>> large following it still struggling to be the #1 seller in the US, and
>>> all
>>> of thisis not going to fare well for them.
>>>
>>> Look for bargains coming from Toyota again...
>>>
>>> If you already have a Toyota, don't expect to sell it at the premiums
>>> their used cars were going for before.
>>>

>>
>> gm are being retarded cashing in their political chips right now. fact
>> is, we're still in the grip of a recession. people are still losing their
>> jobs. so wtf is going to buy a new car? answer: hardly anyone. if they
>> weren't brain-dead, they'd have waited until the market rose a bit, or
>> better yet, done this just /before/ cash-for-clunkers. ****ing morons
>> deserve absolutely zero sympathy.
>>
>> --
>> nomina rutrum rutrum
>>

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Old 13 Feb 2010, 12:07 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On 02/13/2010 09:59 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
> (Cross postings deleted, automatically)
>
> Perhaps but it keeps the BS were it belongs


since suppression of bs is apparently important to you, you should stop
posting it.


>
>
> "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:9budnfAqdbSHeOvWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> On 02/13/2010 09:31 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
>>> (Cross postings deleted, automatticly)

>>
>> don't do that mike - very bad etiquette.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Where have YOU been? New cars sales are UP over past months.

>>
>> there's a number of news sources you should bother to pay attention to
>> mike if you want to be taken seriously - the wsj is one of them. sales
>> are down. 49% down for gm.
>>
>> http://blogs.wsj.com/autoshow/2009/0...s/tab/article/
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xuadnXp-ZOM0pevWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>> On 02/12/2010 08:25 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>>>> Another recall, don't know how many units it affects, but just the fact
>>>>> there is yet another recall does not bode well for the automaker.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Toyota were smart, they'd go back to the way they were making cars
>>>>> in
>>>>> the 80's to get the confidence in their brand back again. Of course,
>>>>> this
>>>>> is going cost more per unit to make each car.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Toyota is also not in a position to raise prices right now, either.
>>>>> The perception among Joe Six-packers is going to be, "They're selling
>>>>> JUNK, and they're going to RAISE prices?!?!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, Government Motors got away with this for years, because they
>>>>> could. Toyota in the US, although they sell a lot of cars here and have
>>>>> a
>>>>> large following it still struggling to be the #1 seller in the US, and
>>>>> all
>>>>> of thisis not going to fare well for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look for bargains coming from Toyota again...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you already have a Toyota, don't expect to sell it at the premiums
>>>>> their used cars were going for before.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> gm are being retarded cashing in their political chips right now. fact
>>>> is, we're still in the grip of a recession. people are still losing
>>>> their
>>>> jobs. so wtf is going to buy a new car? answer: hardly anyone. if they
>>>> weren't brain-dead, they'd have waited until the market rose a bit, or
>>>> better yet, done this just /before/ cash-for-clunkers. ****ing morons
>>>> deserve absolutely zero sympathy.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> nomina rutrum rutrum
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>> --
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Old 13 Feb 2010, 02:58 pm   #9 (permalink)
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On Feb 13, 7:26*pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:53:15 +0000, Clive wrote:
> > In message <hl5e97$ej...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Tru...@e86.GTS>
> > writes
> >>I went to the nearest (42 miles away) Scion dealer and picked up a 1 year
> >>old tC w/11,000 on it for $15,000.

>
> >>I HATE THE SEATING POSITION!!!!!!!!!

> > Perhaps that's because the Scion is marketed for teenagers, keeps them
> > out of the real car. * Teens are more flexible than you or I.

>
> No! It's like sitting at a kitchen table!
>
> I LIKE the semi reclined position in my Supra, Celica, Corolla!
> Driving while sitting at a desk SUCKS!


I saw a guy getting in one as I was leaving lowes and asked him how
he liked his celica. Everybody loves that car it seems. Funny how
toyota discontiues some of the 'good' ones. I thought the MR2 spyder
was a cool car too. Cool name as well...

http://mr2spyderforum.com/images/redmr2spyder.jpg
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Old 13 Feb 2010, 03:48 pm   #10 (permalink)
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On 2/13/2010 12:45 AM, Hachiroku * wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:31:51 -0500, FridoLay wrote:
>
>>> If you already have a Toyota, don't expect to sell it at the premiums
>>> their used cars were going for before.
>>>
>>>

>> I wish they'd do a Celica like the last one.

>
> They had a RED! GT and a silver GTS on the local lot. I took the red GT
> out ($12,990) and passed on the GTS ($17,995) because of the $5000
> difference. I got to drive a couple GTS models while I was working for a
> dealer. WOW!!
>
> The GT had a kind of quirky feel in the rear, and I pointed it out. She
> said she'd have it looked over and get back to me.
>
> They looked it over, fixed it an RAISED THE PRICE $1,000!!!
> $14,000 for a 6 year old car w/58,000 miles. NOPE!
>
> I went to the nearest (42 miles away) Scion dealer and picked up a 1 year
> old tC w/11,000 on it for $15,000.
>
> I HATE THE SEATING POSITION!!!!!!!!!
>
> Yup...the Celica fit like a glove...
>
>
>

Yeah, the one I almost bought was a loaded silver GTS. I wish I'd
ordered one the next year because they offered HID headlights as an
option. That was the last year. It would've been nice to get one without
that foolish wing but I don't think you could do that. It's really dicey
buting a used one because the GTSs have sually been molested by a ricer
ot two. You'd think the Civic SI would be a similar fit and feel but
it's not. Antway, if I absolutely knew the history, I'd go for a used
GTS but I'm not very trusting. I think they did really stupid stuff with
the GT like drum rear brakes and no rear sway bar, which might've been
what you felt. I've seen a few automatic GTs around - talk about ball-ess!

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