Is Water Pump change reqd with Timing Belt Change? Please Advise

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Old 28 Oct 2003, 08:59 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is Water Pump change reqd with Timing Belt Change? Please Advise

I have just bought a 96 Camry LE with 105k miles on it. I am not sure
whether the timing belt has been changed before. The previous owner
had no documents of any kind.

WHen I started enquiring about the timing belt change, I was told to
change the water pump as well. For Timing belt alone, I got quote for
230$ and with water pump, it's 330$. Is this a good price?

If I continue driving without changing the timing belt for another 5k
miles,will the engine crumble if the timing belt fails(i.e. whether my
engine is an intereference engine or not)

Since I am a student, I am not in a so good financial condition to
spend a lot on my car.

Thanks in advance for your tips.

Thanks,
Jey
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Old 28 Oct 2003, 09:23 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Generally the water pump is replaced the same time the timing belt is since
the labour to get at the water pump is as involved as the timing belt.
Also, if the pump breaks, the ethylene glycol fluid will damage the timing
belt.

I believe the 4 Cyl and V6 Camry engines are all NON Interference. If the
belt snaps, the engine turns off but no piston damage.

I am surprised you ended up buying a used car without ANY service records.
I know its a Camry, but no vehicle will last if it has been abused. If your
a student, I would have thought you would have thought of this.


"Jey" <t_jeyaprakash@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have just bought a 96 Camry LE with 105k miles on it. I am not sure
> whether the timing belt has been changed before. The previous owner
> had no documents of any kind.
>
> WHen I started enquiring about the timing belt change, I was told to
> change the water pump as well. For Timing belt alone, I got quote for
> 230$ and with water pump, it's 330$. Is this a good price?
>
> If I continue driving without changing the timing belt for another 5k
> miles,will the engine crumble if the timing belt fails(i.e. whether my
> engine is an intereference engine or not)
>
> Since I am a student, I am not in a so good financial condition to
> spend a lot on my car.
>
> Thanks in advance for your tips.
>
> Thanks,
> Jey



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Old 28 Oct 2003, 09:43 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"Jey" <t_jeyaprakash@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have just bought a 96 Camry LE with 105k miles on it. I am not sure
> whether the timing belt has been changed before. The previous owner
> had no documents of any kind.
>
> WHen I started enquiring about the timing belt change, I was told to
> change the water pump as well. For Timing belt alone, I got quote for
> 230$ and with water pump, it's 330$. Is this a good price?
>
> If I continue driving without changing the timing belt for another 5k
> miles,will the engine crumble if the timing belt fails(i.e. whether my
> engine is an intereference engine or not)
>
> Since I am a student, I am not in a so good financial condition to
> spend a lot on my car.
>
> Thanks in advance for your tips.
>
> Thanks,
> Jey


According to the Gates Timing Belt Replacement Recommendations Brochure (see
url) http://tinyurl.com/ssqv no 4 or 6 cylinder Camry is an interference engine.
The choice of changing the water pump is up to you, it is good sense to combine
both of these replacements if you are unsure of your cars mechanical condition.
My water pump is still working fine at 155k miles(no leaks,rattles or
overheating) I will probably replace it at around 200k for my own peace of mind.

Dave.


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Old 28 Oct 2003, 09:52 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"Jey" <t_jeyaprakash@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have just bought a 96 Camry LE with 105k miles on it. I am not sure
> whether the timing belt has been changed before. The previous owner
> had no documents of any kind.
>
> WHen I started enquiring about the timing belt change, I was told to
> change the water pump as well. For Timing belt alone, I got quote for
> 230$ and with water pump, it's 330$. Is this a good price?
>
> If I continue driving without changing the timing belt for another 5k
> miles,will the engine crumble if the timing belt fails(i.e. whether my
> engine is an intereference engine or not)
>
> Since I am a student, I am not in a so good financial condition to
> spend a lot on my car.
>
> Thanks in advance for your tips.
>
> Thanks,
> Jey


If the timing belt breaks, probably the worst that will happen is that you
will be stranded somewhere. The engine will not crumble because of a timing
belt failure (since it is a non-interference design) but your engine will
stop working until it is repaired.

To determine whether you were quoted a good price, you need to comparison
shop at other Toyota Dealers near you. Look for service specials that they
may be offering. Some dealers list these specials on their website or you
can just call them and ask about service coupon specials. Dealers in
different parts of the country may charge different prices due to the cost
of labor and property in that area, so you cannot compare prices with
someone in a different location.

I would not have this work done by someone other than a Toyota dealer unless
they happen to be an independent shop with former Toyota service techs
working there, and they specialize in Toyota repairs.

Even though the previous owner has no documents, can you inquire with them
about this? Or maybe the dealer where they had service done has records so
you can get a complete list or service performed.


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Old 29 Oct 2003, 12:12 am   #5 (permalink)
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On 28 Oct 2003 18:59:08 -0800, t_jeyaprakash@yahoo.com (Jey) wrote:

I can't tell you if it's required but I can tell you a little about what
I've learned since buying my first Camry ('98 2.2 LE) about a year ago.
Mine too had very few service records with it at the time of purchase.
The price was right though - $6200. It had 88k miles and I had no idea
whether or not the timing belt had ever been replaced. Until I looked
under the hood and found a metal tag on the engine that had stamped on
it the date and mileage of the last belt change. It also listed the
water pump as being replaced at the same time. I'm not sure if it's
standard practice for all mechanics to do this but you you might want to
take a look at your engine for something similar. Mine was on the
passenger side of the enging in clear view.

One thing that really scared me was that AFTER I purchased my Camry I
read about the dreaded 'Toyota Engine Sludge' problem. It's been debated
here in this newsgroup many times and from what I've read, an engine had
to have been mistreated for the sludge monster to appear. As long as you
do regular oil changes you should be fine.

Another thing I've learned, Toyota dealers' prices for parts and/or
mechanical services are absolutely outrageous. A single mini interior
light bulb was $6.50 at the Toyota dealer and $2.25 for a strip of five
at an on-line auto-parts website. If you ever do need to have major work
done you'll almost certainly have to go to a dealer but dealer prices do
vary from place to place so definitely shop around.

I have most of my work done at the local Monroe Muffler. I'm lucky
enough to have a mechanic there who worked for Toyota for many years.
Their prices are usually about half of what Toyota charges and they do
very good work. In all the years I've dealt with this shop I've never
had to take a car back after they've fixed it. You might want to ask
around at the local shops for mechanics with Toyota expertise. And if
you find a good one, keep him/her.

Lastly, I've had my Camry for a year and it's one of the best cars I've
ever owned. So far it's been extremely dependable and a pleasure to
drive. I'm not planning on a new one until this one gets to around 200k
but I'm sure my next car will be another Camry. Good luck with yours.

NRJ

>I have just bought a 96 Camry LE with 105k miles on it. I am not sure
>whether the timing belt has been changed before. The previous owner
>had no documents of any kind.
>
>WHen I started enquiring about the timing belt change, I was told to
>change the water pump as well. For Timing belt alone, I got quote for
>230$ and with water pump, it's 330$. Is this a good price?
>
>If I continue driving without changing the timing belt for another 5k
>miles,will the engine crumble if the timing belt fails(i.e. whether my
>engine is an intereference engine or not)
>
>Since I am a student, I am not in a so good financial condition to
>spend a lot on my car.
>
>Thanks in advance for your tips.
>
>Thanks,
>Jey


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