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Old 14 Nov 2003, 06:03 pm   #1 (permalink)
Car Guy
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The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:

- Variations of engine design (VVTi vs. non VVTi)
- Transmission type (4 speed auto vs. 5 speed auto)
- increased creature comforts
- Fit and finish is improved

Having said that, I know of a few people who opted for a fully loaded Camry
instead of the Lexus and put the savings into a higher level of maintenance
(i.e. Mobil 1 oil changes, more rigorious maintenance practices, etc.) Mind
you these people have other Lexus models as well (i.e. SC400, LS 400, SC430,
LS 430).

Also keep in mind that maintenance on Lexus vehicles are considerably more
expensive at the dealer then a Toyota vehicle. At my local dealership in
Toronto, Canada, a oil change is $29.95 for my
2002 Camry LE V6. The Lexus dealer charges $59.95 for the same service. I
get better donuts and other frills, but for $30 savings, I can get a hell of
a lot of donuts.

Other services and maintenance items are more expensive. So if you are
willing to get a better built car and pay for the upkeep, then the Lexus is
the better. If you want to save the $$ and get a fully loaded Camry and do
the same level of maintenance, then that is also good. How will the cars be
in 10 years.... I would say about the same.


"Doug in VA" <no-spam@no.spam.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Does anybody know whether Lexus vehicles are inherently better (quality of
> parts, technology, quality control, etc.) than Toyota ones? I know they

are
> more luxurious, but I'm wondering if there is much other advantage to

them.
> I'm particularly interested in knowing if much is different under the hood
> between the Lexus ES330 and the Camry XLE V6. Thanks.
>
> -Doug in VA
>
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Old 14 Nov 2003, 07:50 pm   #2 (permalink)
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> The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:
>
> - Variations of engine design (VVTi vs. non VVTi)
> - Transmission type (4 speed auto vs. 5 speed auto)


I don't think this is correct. The Camry V6's are VVTi and 5-speed autos.
I don't think there is any significant difference in the running gear - it's
all styling, interior and trim.

- Mark


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Old 14 Nov 2003, 08:00 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Having driven both, I would opine that the ES330 is quieter and
smoother than the Camry.

Both are excellent and reliable cars. I would say that if price and
regular maintance cost is the primary factor, go for the Camry. If
comfort and quiet is important, give the nod to the ES330.

You really can't go wrong with either car.

I currently drive an '03 LS430.

Helmar Herman

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:03:53 -0500, "Car Guy" <nothing@something.com>
wrote:

>The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:
>
>- Variations of engine design (VVTi vs. non VVTi)
>- Transmission type (4 speed auto vs. 5 speed auto)
>- increased creature comforts
>- Fit and finish is improved
>
>Having said that, I know of a few people who opted for a fully loaded Camry
>instead of the Lexus and put the savings into a higher level of maintenance
>(i.e. Mobil 1 oil changes, more rigorious maintenance practices, etc.) Mind
>you these people have other Lexus models as well (i.e. SC400, LS 400, SC430,
>LS 430).
>
>Also keep in mind that maintenance on Lexus vehicles are considerably more
>expensive at the dealer then a Toyota vehicle. At my local dealership in
>Toronto, Canada, a oil change is $29.95 for my
>2002 Camry LE V6. The Lexus dealer charges $59.95 for the same service. I
>get better donuts and other frills, but for $30 savings, I can get a hell of
>a lot of donuts.
>
>Other services and maintenance items are more expensive. So if you are
>willing to get a better built car and pay for the upkeep, then the Lexus is
>the better. If you want to save the $$ and get a fully loaded Camry and do
>the same level of maintenance, then that is also good. How will the cars be
>in 10 years.... I would say about the same.
>
>
>"Doug in VA" <no-spam@no.spam.com> wrote in message
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>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anybody know whether Lexus vehicles are inherently better (quality of
>> parts, technology, quality control, etc.) than Toyota ones? I know they

>are
>> more luxurious, but I'm wondering if there is much other advantage to

>them.
>> I'm particularly interested in knowing if much is different under the hood
>> between the Lexus ES330 and the Camry XLE V6. Thanks.
>>
>> -Doug in VA
>>
>>

>


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Old 14 Nov 2003, 09:06 pm   #4 (permalink)
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I just happened to do a double take in the parking lot at a local
supermarket tonight-- an all white Lexus ES 330 sure looked like one fine
car. Moon roof and tints made it look even sharper-- made my 99 Camry XLE
look like a poor cousin.
It would be hard I guess to justify about ten grand more just to look cool.
But if ya got flaunt it!!

The Artful Codger




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> The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:
>
> - Variations of engine design (VVTi vs. non VVTi)
> - Transmission type (4 speed auto vs. 5 speed auto)
> - increased creature comforts
> - Fit and finish is improved
>
> Having said that, I know of a few people who opted for a fully loaded

Camry
> instead of the Lexus and put the savings into a higher level of

maintenance
> (i.e. Mobil 1 oil changes, more rigorious maintenance practices, etc.)

Mind
> you these people have other Lexus models as well (i.e. SC400, LS 400,

SC430,
> LS 430).
>
> Also keep in mind that maintenance on Lexus vehicles are considerably more
> expensive at the dealer then a Toyota vehicle. At my local dealership in
> Toronto, Canada, a oil change is $29.95 for my
> 2002 Camry LE V6. The Lexus dealer charges $59.95 for the same service.

I
> get better donuts and other frills, but for $30 savings, I can get a hell

of
> a lot of donuts.
>
> Other services and maintenance items are more expensive. So if you are
> willing to get a better built car and pay for the upkeep, then the Lexus

is
> the better. If you want to save the $$ and get a fully loaded Camry and

do
> the same level of maintenance, then that is also good. How will the cars

be
> in 10 years.... I would say about the same.
>
>
> "Doug in VA" <no-spam@no.spam.com> wrote in message
> news:g6OdnVKvIYlb-CiiRVn-sA@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does anybody know whether Lexus vehicles are inherently better (quality

of
> > parts, technology, quality control, etc.) than Toyota ones? I know they

> are
> > more luxurious, but I'm wondering if there is much other advantage to

> them.
> > I'm particularly interested in knowing if much is different under the

hood
> > between the Lexus ES330 and the Camry XLE V6. Thanks.
> >
> > -Doug in VA
> >
> >

>
>



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Old 18 Nov 2003, 10:03 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Car Guy" <nothing@something.com> wrote in message
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> The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:
>

you do not need to use hi test fuel in the camry like you do with the lexus.


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Old 19 Nov 2003, 01:17 pm   #6 (permalink)
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If you get a V6 you should use premium fuel, just like in the lexus.


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> "Car Guy" <nothing@something.com> wrote in message
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> > The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:
> >

> you do not need to use hi test fuel in the camry like you do with the

lexus.
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>



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Old 19 Nov 2003, 02:41 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"Dave" <abc@abc.com> wrote in message
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> If you get a V6 you should use premium fuel, just like in the lexus.
>
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> "Thudd" <goose1@cox-interne.com> wrote in message
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> > "Car Guy" <nothing@something.com> wrote in message
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> > > The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:
> > >

> > you do not need to use hi test fuel in the camry like you do with the

> lexus.



Been running my XLE on regular grade fuel for over two years now and I can
not recall reading in the manual that it called for premium. Must double
check. However regular grade here in
Canada is of a higher octane than the lowest grade in the US
I have found.

Does anyone know of the benefits of using premium gasoline other than I do
recall on an earlier non GM prodeuct I had it did reduce engine knock so I
would fuel with the good stuff every third or fourth tank.


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Old 19 Nov 2003, 05:17 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:41:31 GMT, "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com>
scribbled:

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>"Dave" <abc@abc.com> wrote in message
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>> If you get a V6 you should use premium fuel, just like in the lexus.
>>
>>
>> "Thudd" <goose1@cox-interne.com> wrote in message
>> news:vrlqso28b5jhed@corp.supernews.com...
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>> > "Car Guy" <nothing@something.com> wrote in message
>> > news:w3etb.16812$IK2.1347729@news20.bellglobal.com ...
>> > > The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:
>> > >
>> > you do not need to use hi test fuel in the camry like you do with the

>> lexus.

>
>
>Been running my XLE on regular grade fuel for over two years now and I can
>not recall reading in the manual that it called for premium. Must double
>check. However regular grade here in
>Canada is of a higher octane than the lowest grade in the US
> I have found.


Our 'regular' grade octane here in New Zealand is 91 RON, while our
'premium' is 96 RON. You can also get 98 RON at selected petrol
stations throughout the country.


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Old 19 Nov 2003, 08:03 pm   #9 (permalink)
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I have an ES300 that runs OK on cheap gas but it looses some power. Never
detonates... guess computer backs off a little when it senses regular gas.

Also have a Camry 4 cyl that runs fine on regular, but no better on premium..
guess this one isn't as smart as the lexus; it don't adjust to gas quality.

It's little stuff like that setting the lex apart from the camry. Better
execution of a superior camry plan. A little quieter, a little faster, plusher,
more elegant. And the ES300 always looked better than the same year Camry.

Lexus does cost more to maintain and fix. Camry just as reliable, maybe a
little more so since the whistles and bells are fewer and simplier on the
camry. Love 'em both!
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Old 19 Nov 2003, 11:18 pm   #10 (permalink)
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:17:14 +1300, someone who calls themselves
Phillip Weston <phillip.weston@quick.remove.silver.net.nz> wrote:

>Our 'regular' grade octane here in New Zealand is 91 RON, while our
>'premium' is 96 RON. You can also get 98 RON at selected petrol
>stations throughout the country.


That's probably Research Octane ratings. The US Pump Markings are
in "Road Octane" which is (Research x Motor)/2 - they wanted a
realistic number that is an average of the two measuring systems.

That gives us (for sea level to 2000' urban altitudes) regular at
87, mid-grade at 89, and Premium at 91 or 92. If you know where to
go, there is pump racing gasoline available (at a steep premium) for
your vintage muscle cars, usually 108 road octane.

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