Toyota Throttle Electronics Easily Confused

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Old 23 Feb 2010, 07:47 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default Toyota Throttle Electronics Easily Confused

The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.

"In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University
professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment
a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by
introducing a short between two circuits.

Gilbert, whose research was sponsored by consumer advocacy firm Safety
Research & Strategies, says it was fairly simple to confuse the Toyota
electronics, but he has so far been unable to introduce a similar
failure in the electronic controls for a Buick Lucerne."

http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_still_looking_100223/
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Old 23 Feb 2010, 08:11 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"john" <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.
>
> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University
> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment
> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by
> introducing a short between two circuits.
>
> Gilbert, whose research was sponsored by consumer advocacy firm Safety
> Research & Strategies, says it was fairly simple to confuse the Toyota
> electronics, but he has so far been unable to introduce a similar
> failure in the electronic controls for a Buick Lucerne."
>
> http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_still_looking_100223/


Dick Cheney says, you are easily led, like a sheep, one person
purposely trying to make something fail probably can,
however your car probably crashed because your dear wife
stuck her hoof on the wrong pedal.






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Old 23 Feb 2010, 10:30 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:47:06 -0800, john wrote:

>
> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the problems.
> The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so no real
> solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.



Near as I can see, you're the only confused thing I can see around here.

IMO, of course.


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Old 23 Feb 2010, 11:13 pm   #4 (permalink)
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On 02/23/2010 05:47 PM, john wrote:
> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.


"in your opinion"? are you a software engineer? are you an electrical
engineer? are you /any/ form of engineer?


>
> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University
> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment
> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by
> introducing a short between two circuits.
>
> Gilbert, whose research was sponsored by consumer advocacy firm Safety
> Research& Strategies, says it was fairly simple to confuse the Toyota
> electronics, but he has so far been unable to introduce a similar
> failure in the electronic controls for a Buick Lucerne."
>
> http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_still_looking_100223/


and we can find "witnesses" that will stand up and allege that their
vehicle's throttle, brakes, transmission and ignition all failed
simultaneously. but not as simultaneously as their credibility.


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Old 24 Feb 2010, 05:55 am   #5 (permalink)
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On 02/23/2010 05:47 PM, john wrote:
>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.

>
> "in your opinion"? are you a software engineer? are you an electrical
> engineer? are you /any/ form of engineer?



He can swap a hard drive while blindfolded, and he knows some geologists.


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Old 24 Feb 2010, 01:38 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:55:23 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news4SdnZnR94D1KBnWnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> On 02/23/2010 05:47 PM, john wrote:
>>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
>>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
>>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.

>>
>> "in your opinion"? are you a software engineer? are you an electrical
>> engineer? are you /any/ form of engineer?

>
>
> He can swap a hard drive while blindfolded, and he knows some geologists.


Look again. You're talking about the wrong person.

Gee, you've NEVER been wrong before!!!


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Old 24 Feb 2010, 01:42 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:55:23 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news4SdnZnR94D1KBnWnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> On 02/23/2010 05:47 PM, john wrote:
>>>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
>>>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
>>>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.
>>>
>>> "in your opinion"? are you a software engineer? are you an electrical
>>> engineer? are you /any/ form of engineer?

>>
>>
>> He can swap a hard drive while blindfolded, and he knows some geologists.

>
> Look again. You're talking about the wrong person.
>
> Gee, you've NEVER been wrong before!!!



Oops.


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Old 24 Feb 2010, 02:12 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:42:04 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:55:23 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news4SdnZnR94D1KBnWnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>> On 02/23/2010 05:47 PM, john wrote:
>>>>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
>>>>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
>>>>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.
>>>>
>>>> "in your opinion"? are you a software engineer? are you an
>>>> electrical engineer? are you /any/ form of engineer?
>>>
>>>
>>> He can swap a hard drive while blindfolded, and he knows some
>>> geologists.

>>
>> Look again. You're talking about the wrong person.
>>
>> Gee, you've NEVER been wrong before!!!

>
>
> Oops.


That's OK. You'll get me next time...



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Old 24 Feb 2010, 02:12 pm   #9 (permalink)
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On Feb 23, 7:47*pm, john <johngd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.
>
> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University
> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment
> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by
> introducing a short between two circuits.
>
> Gilbert, whose research was sponsored by consumer advocacy firm Safety
> Research & Strategies, says it was fairly simple to confuse the Toyota
> electronics, but he has so far been unable to introduce a similar
> failure in the electronic controls for a Buick Lucerne."
>
> http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_still_looking_100223/


I thought it was 70% of complaints lodged going back to 02 or near,
not 70% of affected cars.

Im sure they know the reason why it happens, toyotas beancounters
just figure its cheaper to ignore it and too hard to prove. You see
eventualy all the defect cars will be totaled out and there wont be
any proof, the rest die by attrition, so the problem dissapears
magicly.

It just takes time, a bit of lobbying, and a few employees that used
to work for the NHTSA squash a few investigations, and its like it
never happened.
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Old 24 Feb 2010, 02:19 pm   #10 (permalink)
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Years ago I had a Chrysler product that developed a engine problem that
created a code. After that the car would only max out at 20mph. Just
enough to limp into the dealer to fix or re-set the code. 20 years ago
before I retired, I tested eletronic products for Test House approvals (UL,
ETL, CSA, etc). Our purpose was to assure that no matter what internal
device failed, it didn't create a deadly problem. Why can't Toyota prove
that no matter what component failed, short or open, that the car will not
exceed a safe speed? I don't believe they did their homework properly.
Removing my floor mat in my Prius is a joke. There is no way it can jam the
pedal that my foot on the mat couldn't move it away from the pedal within
seconds. The only reason I removed it (per the recall) is so if my car
becomes a run away missile at least my heirs can become Millionaires. That
doesn't comfort me. Re-designing the pedal is only a band-aide to the real
problem. Since my car was made in Japan, I'm not included.

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> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:55:23 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news4SdnZnR94D1KBnWnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>> On 02/23/2010 05:47 PM, john wrote:
>>>>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the
>>>>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so
>>>>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics.
>>>>
>>>> "in your opinion"? are you a software engineer? are you an electrical
>>>> engineer? are you /any/ form of engineer?
>>>
>>>
>>> He can swap a hard drive while blindfolded, and he knows some
>>> geologists.

>>
>> Look again. You're talking about the wrong person.
>>
>> Gee, you've NEVER been wrong before!!!

>
>
> Oops.
>
>




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