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Old 22 Feb 2004, 06:51 am   #1 (permalink)
Mario Bucci
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I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have noticed so far is
the following:

- the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first) trips but,
never since;
- the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
- the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the road;
- the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
- tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.

Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation for the above
issues?

Thanks.




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Old 22 Feb 2004, 07:21 am   #2 (permalink)
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"Using higher tire pressures than recommended by the vehicle manufacturer
for your driving conditions will unnecessarily stiffen the tire and make it
even more willing to cause tramlining. If you are running higher tire
pressures than necessary, simply dropping the tire pressures to those
recommended by the vehicle manufacturer will help reduce tramlining."
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/tiretech.htm


"Mario Bucci" <mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote in message
news:c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net...
> I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have noticed so far

is
> the following:
>
> - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first) trips but,
> never since;
> - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
> - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the road;
> - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
> - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
>
> Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation for the above
> issues?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>



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Old 22 Feb 2004, 09:19 am   #3 (permalink)
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In article <c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, Mario Bucci
<mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote:

> I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have noticed so far is
> the following:
>
> - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first) trips but,
> never since;
> - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
> - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the road;
> - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
> - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
>
> Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation for the above
> issues?
>
> Thanks.


This is a problem that affects 04 Camry's and some late 03's. Ther is
supposed to be a TSB out on it. If anyone has it, please post it. I
have had my 03 to the dealer 4 times and they say that it is in
alignment, but couldn't explain why it was drifting/pulling left.
they even repaced the original tires with a new set of Michelins!

After taking it to a front end specialist, he put it up on the rack and
said that he thought that it had a bad rack and pinion (which is very
rare). He said the car was easier to turn left than right, which
causes the instability. after reproting this to the dealer and their
consultation with "engineering", they advised that there was a TSB and
that they would have to remove the front struts and make some
adjustments. Not sure of the details. This is a very costly warranty
problem for Toyota and I am sure that they don't want the masses to
know. I am supposed to take my car in next week.

Steve
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Old 22 Feb 2004, 09:45 am   #4 (permalink)
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In news:220220040919453480%stevieray@hotmail.com,
Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, Mario Bucci
> <mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
> > I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have
> > noticed so far is the following:
> >
> > - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first)
> > trips but, never since;
> > - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
> > - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the
> > road;
> > - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
> > - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
> >
> > Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation for
> > the above issues?
> >
> > Thanks.

>
> This is a problem that affects 04 Camry's and some late 03's.
> Ther is supposed to be a TSB out on it. If anyone has it, please
> post it. I have had my 03 to the dealer 4 times and they say that
> it is in alignment, but couldn't explain why it was
> drifting/pulling left.
> they even repaced the original tires with a new set of Michelins!
>
> After taking it to a front end specialist, he put it up on the
> rack and said that he thought that it had a bad rack and pinion
> (which is very rare). He said the car was easier to turn left
> than right, which causes the instability. after reproting this to
> the dealer and their consultation with "engineering", they advised
> that there was a TSB and that they would have to remove the front
> struts and make some adjustments. Not sure of the details. This
> is a very costly warranty problem for Toyota and I am sure that
> they don't want the masses to know. I am supposed to take my car
> in next week.
>
> Steve


oooooooooooo.... a cover up! A TechnicalServiceBulletin that the
public must be kept ignorant of. Why, there may be al Quaida
connections!
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM


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Old 22 Feb 2004, 09:59 am   #5 (permalink)
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In article <284_b.4755$aT1.2934@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
Philip® <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote:

> In news:220220040919453480%stevieray@hotmail.com,
> Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> > In article <c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, Mario Bucci
> > <mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have
> > > noticed so far is the following:
> > >
> > > - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first)
> > > trips but, never since;
> > > - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
> > > - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the
> > > road;
> > > - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
> > > - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
> > >
> > > Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation for
> > > the above issues?
> > >
> > > Thanks.

> >
> > This is a problem that affects 04 Camry's and some late 03's.
> > Ther is supposed to be a TSB out on it. If anyone has it, please
> > post it. I have had my 03 to the dealer 4 times and they say that
> > it is in alignment, but couldn't explain why it was
> > drifting/pulling left.
> > they even repaced the original tires with a new set of Michelins!
> >
> > After taking it to a front end specialist, he put it up on the
> > rack and said that he thought that it had a bad rack and pinion
> > (which is very rare). He said the car was easier to turn left
> > than right, which causes the instability. after reproting this to
> > the dealer and their consultation with "engineering", they advised
> > that there was a TSB and that they would have to remove the front
> > struts and make some adjustments. Not sure of the details. This
> > is a very costly warranty problem for Toyota and I am sure that
> > they don't want the masses to know. I am supposed to take my car
> > in next week.
> >
> > Steve

>
> oooooooooooo.... a cover up! A TechnicalServiceBulletin that the
> public must be kept ignorant of. Why, there may be al Quaida
> connections!
> --
>
> - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
>




Someone posted this earlier, but i missed it. The answers are here.
http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/i...ST&f=8&t=5444&

Toyota is a bunch of scum bags. This is my first and last Toyota.
>

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Old 22 Feb 2004, 11:49 am   #6 (permalink)
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In news:220220040959195917%stevieray@hotmail.com,
Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <284_b.4755$aT1.2934@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> Philip® <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In news:220220040919453480%stevieray@hotmail.com,
> > Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind
> > posted:
> > > In article <c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, Mario Bucci
> > > <mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have
> > > > noticed so far is the following:
> > > >
> > > > - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first)
> > > > trips but, never since;
> > > > - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
> > > > - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the
> > > > road;
> > > > - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
> > > > - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation
> > > > for the above issues?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > This is a problem that affects 04 Camry's and some late 03's.
> > > Ther is supposed to be a TSB out on it. If anyone has it,
> > > please post it. I have had my 03 to the dealer 4 times and
> > > they say that it is in alignment, but couldn't explain why it
> > > was drifting/pulling left.
> > > they even repaced the original tires with a new set of
> > > Michelins!
> > >
> > > After taking it to a front end specialist, he put it up on the
> > > rack and said that he thought that it had a bad rack and pinion
> > > (which is very rare). He said the car was easier to turn left
> > > than right, which causes the instability. after reproting
> > > this to the dealer and their consultation with "engineering",
> > > they advised that there was a TSB and that they would have to
> > > remove the front struts and make some adjustments. Not sure
> > > of the details. This is a very costly warranty problem for
> > > Toyota and I am sure that they don't want the masses to know.
> > > I am supposed to take my car in next week.
> > >
> > > Steve

> >
> > oooooooooooo.... a cover up! A TechnicalServiceBulletin that the
> > public must be kept ignorant of. Why, there may be al Quaida
> > connections!
> > --
> >
> > - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
> >

>
>
>
> Someone posted this earlier, but i missed it. The answers are
> here.
> http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/i...ST&f=8&t=5444&
>
> Toyota is a bunch of scum bags. This is my first and last Toyota.


Funny ... the Geo Prizm (aka: Toyota Sprinter and Corolla) never
exhibited your complaint. Nor has my 2003 Corolla. SO .... if your
one experience condemns the entire brand then ... depart in peace ...
and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM



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Old 22 Feb 2004, 12:29 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Philip® wrote:
> In news:220220040919453480%stevieray@hotmail.com,
> Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, Mario Bucci
>> <mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have
>>> noticed so far is the following:
>>>
>>> - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first)
>>> trips but, never since;
>>> - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
>>> - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the
>>> road;
>>> - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
>>> - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
>>>
>>> Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation for
>>> the above issues?
>>>
>>> Thanks.

>>
>> This is a problem that affects 04 Camry's and some late 03's.
>> Ther is supposed to be a TSB out on it. If anyone has it, please
>> post it. I have had my 03 to the dealer 4 times and they say that
>> it is in alignment, but couldn't explain why it was
>> drifting/pulling left.
>> they even repaced the original tires with a new set of Michelins!
>>
>> After taking it to a front end specialist, he put it up on the
>> rack and said that he thought that it had a bad rack and pinion
>> (which is very rare). He said the car was easier to turn left
>> than right, which causes the instability. after reproting this to
>> the dealer and their consultation with "engineering", they advised
>> that there was a TSB and that they would have to remove the front
>> struts and make some adjustments. Not sure of the details. This
>> is a very costly warranty problem for Toyota and I am sure that
>> they don't want the masses to know. I am supposed to take my car
>> in next week.
>>
>> Steve

>
> oooooooooooo.... a cover up! A TechnicalServiceBulletin that the
> public must be kept ignorant of. Why, there may be al Quaida
> connections!


My 2001 Camry has had this problem from day 1. The dealer blamed tires. When
I later got tires they did not change anything. What are the chances of
getting a bad set of tires twice? I have had the car aligned several times.


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Old 22 Feb 2004, 12:45 pm   #8 (permalink)
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In article <jY5_b.4921$aT1.3224@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
Philip® <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote:

> In news:220220040959195917%stevieray@hotmail.com,
> Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> > In article <284_b.4755$aT1.2934@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > Philip® <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > In news:220220040919453480%stevieray@hotmail.com,
> > > Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind
> > > posted:
> > > > In article <c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, Mario Bucci
> > > > <mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have
> > > > > noticed so far is the following:
> > > > >
> > > > > - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first)
> > > > > trips but, never since;
> > > > > - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
> > > > > - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the
> > > > > road;
> > > > > - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
> > > > > - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation
> > > > > for the above issues?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > This is a problem that affects 04 Camry's and some late 03's.
> > > > Ther is supposed to be a TSB out on it. If anyone has it,
> > > > please post it. I have had my 03 to the dealer 4 times and
> > > > they say that it is in alignment, but couldn't explain why it
> > > > was drifting/pulling left.
> > > > they even repaced the original tires with a new set of
> > > > Michelins!
> > > >
> > > > After taking it to a front end specialist, he put it up on the
> > > > rack and said that he thought that it had a bad rack and pinion
> > > > (which is very rare). He said the car was easier to turn left
> > > > than right, which causes the instability. after reproting
> > > > this to the dealer and their consultation with "engineering",
> > > > they advised that there was a TSB and that they would have to
> > > > remove the front struts and make some adjustments. Not sure
> > > > of the details. This is a very costly warranty problem for
> > > > Toyota and I am sure that they don't want the masses to know.
> > > > I am supposed to take my car in next week.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > >
> > > oooooooooooo.... a cover up! A TechnicalServiceBulletin that the
> > > public must be kept ignorant of. Why, there may be al Quaida
> > > connections!
> > > --
> > >
> > > - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
> > >

> >
> >
> >
> > Someone posted this earlier, but i missed it. The answers are
> > here.
> > http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/i...ST&f=8&t=5444&
> >
> > Toyota is a bunch of scum bags. This is my first and last Toyota.

>
> Funny ... the Geo Prizm (aka: Toyota Sprinter and Corolla) never
> exhibited your complaint. Nor has my 2003 Corolla. SO .... if your
> one experience condemns the entire brand then ... depart in peace ...
> and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!
> --
>
> - Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
>
>
>


Phillip,

I am not saying that the wholeToyota brand makes bad cars. i am just
saying that the way they handle problems and complaints is not
satisfactory.

If they would admit up front that they have a problem and fix it, I
would understand and be willing to accept it.

This sounds like it could be a massive recall, which they would like to
avoid for obvious reasons.

It is all about attitude!

Steve
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Old 22 Feb 2004, 01:45 pm   #9 (permalink)
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TSB ST002-04 resolved my 04 Camry pulling left problem. It involves the
upper left spring seat being rotated...

"Roger Blake" <rogerblake@_remove_this_cox.net> wrote in message
news:N47_b.8691$nI1.3865@okepread05...
> Philip® wrote:
> > In news:220220040919453480%stevieray@hotmail.com,
> > Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> >> In article <c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, Mario Bucci
> >> <mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have
> >>> noticed so far is the following:
> >>>
> >>> - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first)
> >>> trips but, never since;
> >>> - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
> >>> - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the
> >>> road;
> >>> - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
> >>> - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation for
> >>> the above issues?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>
> >> This is a problem that affects 04 Camry's and some late 03's.
> >> Ther is supposed to be a TSB out on it. If anyone has it, please
> >> post it. I have had my 03 to the dealer 4 times and they say that
> >> it is in alignment, but couldn't explain why it was
> >> drifting/pulling left.
> >> they even repaced the original tires with a new set of Michelins!
> >>
> >> After taking it to a front end specialist, he put it up on the
> >> rack and said that he thought that it had a bad rack and pinion
> >> (which is very rare). He said the car was easier to turn left
> >> than right, which causes the instability. after reproting this to
> >> the dealer and their consultation with "engineering", they advised
> >> that there was a TSB and that they would have to remove the front
> >> struts and make some adjustments. Not sure of the details. This
> >> is a very costly warranty problem for Toyota and I am sure that
> >> they don't want the masses to know. I am supposed to take my car
> >> in next week.
> >>
> >> Steve

> >
> > oooooooooooo.... a cover up! A TechnicalServiceBulletin that the
> > public must be kept ignorant of. Why, there may be al Quaida
> > connections!

>
> My 2001 Camry has had this problem from day 1. The dealer blamed tires.

When
> I later got tires they did not change anything. What are the chances of
> getting a bad set of tires twice? I have had the car aligned several

times.
>
>



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Old 22 Feb 2004, 05:36 pm   #10 (permalink)
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Thank you, I saved the message.

Roger Blake

"BLimey" <BLimey@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
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> TSB ST002-04 resolved my 04 Camry pulling left problem. It involves the
> upper left spring seat being rotated...
>
> "Roger Blake" <rogerblake@_remove_this_cox.net> wrote in message
> news:N47_b.8691$nI1.3865@okepread05...
> > Philip® wrote:
> > > In news:220220040919453480%stevieray@hotmail.com,
> > > Stevie Ray <stevieray@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> > >> In article <c1a8kt$mt1$1@news.eusc.inter.net>, Mario Bucci
> > >> <mbucci@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I just purchased a new 2004 Toyota Camry SE. What I have
> > >>> noticed so far is the following:
> > >>>
> > >>> - the speedometer dropped to zero on two consecutive (first)
> > >>> trips but, never since;
> > >>> - the car will pull left slightly at highway speeds;
> > >>> - the steering shifts quickly on bumps or wheel tracks in the
> > >>> road;
> > >>> - the tires appear to slip fairly easily on snow and ice; and
> > >>> - tires appear to be not the greatest performance type.
> > >>>
> > >>> Has anyone had the same experience or have any explanation for
> > >>> the above issues?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> This is a problem that affects 04 Camry's and some late 03's.
> > >> Ther is supposed to be a TSB out on it. If anyone has it, please
> > >> post it. I have had my 03 to the dealer 4 times and they say that
> > >> it is in alignment, but couldn't explain why it was
> > >> drifting/pulling left.
> > >> they even repaced the original tires with a new set of Michelins!
> > >>
> > >> After taking it to a front end specialist, he put it up on the
> > >> rack and said that he thought that it had a bad rack and pinion
> > >> (which is very rare). He said the car was easier to turn left
> > >> than right, which causes the instability. after reproting this to
> > >> the dealer and their consultation with "engineering", they advised
> > >> that there was a TSB and that they would have to remove the front
> > >> struts and make some adjustments. Not sure of the details. This
> > >> is a very costly warranty problem for Toyota and I am sure that
> > >> they don't want the masses to know. I am supposed to take my car
> > >> in next week.
> > >>
> > >> Steve
> > >
> > > oooooooooooo.... a cover up! A TechnicalServiceBulletin that the
> > > public must be kept ignorant of. Why, there may be al Quaida
> > > connections!

> >
> > My 2001 Camry has had this problem from day 1. The dealer blamed tires.

> When
> > I later got tires they did not change anything. What are the chances of
> > getting a bad set of tires twice? I have had the car aligned several

> times.
> >
> >

>
>



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