2002 SE Suspension Problem?

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Old 29 Feb 2004, 11:44 am   #1 (permalink)
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Default 2002 SE Suspension Problem?

I recently bought a 2002 Camry SE V6. The car test drove beautifully and is
Toyota Certified. The dealer put 4 new Sumitomo HTR 4T tires on it. They are T
rated but ride smoothly and quietly. The car's suspension was very nice, with
some road feel but no harshness and very quiet at freeway speeds. That changed
two weeks ago. I had a blowout in my left rear tire. I was on a freeway exit
ramp doing around 40. The car fishtailed briefly and then straightened out. I
was able to fill the tire and have it hold until I could get it patched a few
hours later. The following day I noticed a significant change in the ride of
the car. The front end seemed to be almost mildly bouncing on even relatively
smooth street or freeway roads at any speed. Bumps were much more pronounced
than they had been the day before. I have been feeling like I'm on a kiddies
roller coaster when I drive. The bouncing sensation can be felt up through the
driver's seat and on the steering wheel somewhat.

I brought the car into Toyota at 30,100 miles for service the week after the
blowout. We agreed to do a 15000 mile service to cover anything which Toyota
Certification didn't. I had mentioned the suspension issue and the shop
foreman, himself a Camry SE owner, took the car out for a test drive. He did
notice a bouncing sensation coming form the rear left side. The suspension was
"checked" and deemed normal and the tires were rotated and balanced. The
repaired tire was now on the front left. When I picked up the car, I was told
that, with the rotation, there was now a mild bounce in the front, possibly
caused by a minor structural problem with the patched tire. I was told to
drive it for a few days and advise them of any problems. I took the car into
the best tire dealer in town and they checked the patched tire on their
GPS-9700 unit. The tire was structurally perfect but was 2oz out of balance.
They then checked the other 3 tries and found them to be 1.5oz, 1oz and .25oz
out of balance. Using the 9700, all tires were brought into perfect balance. I
was not happy with my Toyota dealer since balancing was part of the service
just done. The ride of the car is better but still seems overly active. There
is still a mild bouncing on even relatively smooth roads and a lengthy ride
can be very fatiguing. I'm not sure what the best approach to this problem
should be, hammer the dealer vs. having the suspension checked by a
professional shop. I really do not want to spend out of pocket and know that
the SE's suspension is a bit harder but the car's current ride is not
acceptable and I'm beginning to wonder if I got stuck. I had an 2000 Altima SE
with a "sport" suspension prior to the Camry and it felt nothing like this.
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Old 29 Feb 2004, 01:47 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Your car came with more costly H (130 mph) rated tires from the factory.
The T rated touring tire (118 mph) is reason it probably blew in the first
place - side walls not strong/stiff enough . You didn't say how it was
patched. You know you should not patch the side walls of any radial tires.
I wouldn't want a patched tire on the steering front. Bouncing indicates
internal tread separation or an internal bubble if it isn't just balancing.
Go to http://www.tirerack.com/ and you'll see they don't recommend fitting
below an H rated tire.

"Lewie" <Lewie49@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I recently bought a 2002 Camry SE V6. The car test drove beautifully and

is
> Toyota Certified. The dealer put 4 new Sumitomo HTR 4T tires on it. They

are T
> rated but ride smoothly and quietly. The car's suspension was very nice,

with
> some road feel but no harshness and very quiet at freeway speeds. That

changed
> two weeks ago. I had a blowout in my left rear tire. I was on a freeway

exit
> ramp doing around 40. The car fishtailed briefly and then straightened

out. I
> was able to fill the tire and have it hold until I could get it patched a

few
> hours later. The following day I noticed a significant change in the ride

of
> the car. The front end seemed to be almost mildly bouncing on even

relatively
> smooth street or freeway roads at any speed. Bumps were much more

pronounced
> than they had been the day before. I have been feeling like I'm on a

kiddies
> roller coaster when I drive. The bouncing sensation can be felt up through

the
> driver's seat and on the steering wheel somewhat.
>
> I brought the car into Toyota at 30,100 miles for service the week after

the
> blowout. We agreed to do a 15000 mile service to cover anything which

Toyota
> Certification didn't. I had mentioned the suspension issue and the shop
> foreman, himself a Camry SE owner, took the car out for a test drive. He

did
> notice a bouncing sensation coming form the rear left side. The suspension

was
> "checked" and deemed normal and the tires were rotated and balanced. The
> repaired tire was now on the front left. When I picked up the car, I was

told
> that, with the rotation, there was now a mild bounce in the front,

possibly
> caused by a minor structural problem with the patched tire. I was told to
> drive it for a few days and advise them of any problems. I took the car

into
> the best tire dealer in town and they checked the patched tire on their
> GPS-9700 unit. The tire was structurally perfect but was 2oz out of

balance.
> They then checked the other 3 tries and found them to be 1.5oz, 1oz and

..25oz
> out of balance. Using the 9700, all tires were brought into perfect

balance. I
> was not happy with my Toyota dealer since balancing was part of the

service
> just done. The ride of the car is better but still seems overly active.

There
> is still a mild bouncing on even relatively smooth roads and a lengthy

ride
> can be very fatiguing. I'm not sure what the best approach to this problem
> should be, hammer the dealer vs. having the suspension checked by a
> professional shop. I really do not want to spend out of pocket and know

that
> the SE's suspension is a bit harder but the car's current ride is not
> acceptable and I'm beginning to wonder if I got stuck. I had an 2000

Altima SE
> with a "sport" suspension prior to the Camry and it felt nothing like

this.


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Old 29 Feb 2004, 03:15 pm   #3 (permalink)
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In article <jlr0c.19700$UU.9075@lakeread01>, "Wolfgang" <NOwolfgangdieterSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
>Your car came with more costly H (130 mph) rated tires from the factory.
>The T rated touring tire (118 mph) is reason it probably blew in the first
>place - side walls not strong/stiff enough . You didn't say how it was
>patched. You know you should not patch the side walls of any radial tires.
>I wouldn't want a patched tire on the steering front. Bouncing indicates
>internal tread separation or an internal bubble if it isn't just balancing.
>Go to http://www.tirerack.com/ and you'll see they don't recommend fitting
>below an H rated tire.


The original Toyos were V rated and I suppose, ideally, that replacement tires
should be the same. Would a drop from V to H be much less significant than a
drop from H to T? The patched tire was fully evaluated on a state of the art
9700 unit by a shop that has an outstanding reputation. The results showed no
problems. The original puncture appeared to be in the tread not the sidewall.
That having being said, would the drop in speed rating affect the overall ride
of the car that badly. The Sumitomos are supposed to be very good
"perfromance" touring tires and since the dealer put them at at no charge when
I bought the car, I couldn't object. What is puzzling is that the ride had
been OK for the first four weeks that I had the car. Now it's baby trampoline
time everytime I drive it.
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Old 01 Mar 2004, 03:02 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"Lewie" <Lewie49@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> The original Toyos were V rated and I suppose, ideally, that replacement

tires
> should be the same. Would a drop from V to H be much less significant

than a
> drop from H to T? The patched tire was fully evaluated on a state of the

art
> 9700 unit by a shop that has an outstanding reputation. The results

showed no
> problems. The original puncture appeared to be in the tread not the

sidewall.
> That having being said, would the drop in speed rating affect the overall

ride
> of the car that badly. The Sumitomos are supposed to be very good
> "perfromance" touring tires and since the dealer put them at at no charge

when
> I bought the car, I couldn't object. What is puzzling is that the ride had
> been OK for the first four weeks that I had the car. Now it's baby

trampoline
> time everytime I drive it.


The repaired tyre maybe in balance now, but it, and/or the rim is NOT round.
This is a common mistake wheel balancers make: they think just because they
can dynamically balance a wheel, that it will then drive properly,...not so
if the wheel and or the tyre is no longer perfectly round. It will put a
low-freq vibration of ''walking'' sensation thru the car. Some OOR is
tolerable, but not much more than 1/10 in, imho.

Try askng them to spin the repaired tyre-wheel and check for 'runout' (a
measure of out-of-round).

Jason


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