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Old 05 Apr 2004, 11:00 pm   #1 (permalink)
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I have a 2002 Camry LE. I too have been frightened and disappointed by
the performance of the tires on snow, ice, mud, and gravel. For winter
driving I have found that if I shift the car into neutral and then
brake I get a lot less skidding.
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Old 06 Apr 2004, 02:12 am   #2 (permalink)
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"Zareena" <tesl@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> I have a 2002 Camry LE. I too have been frightened and disappointed by
> the performance of the tires on snow, ice, mud, and gravel. For winter
> driving I have found that if I shift the car into neutral and then
> brake I get a lot less skidding.


OEM tires are designed for one purpose--to sell the car during the test
drive. Most people don't test drive in snow. All tires have compromises
between set performance, dry performance, braking, cost, etc, etc, etc.


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Old 06 Apr 2004, 02:33 am   #3 (permalink)
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Mark A wrote:
|| "Zareena" <tesl@shaw.ca> wrote in message
|| news:f753aa2b.0404052000.72db6fcf@posting.google.c om...
||| I have a 2002 Camry LE. I too have been frightened and disappointed
||| by the performance of the tires on snow, ice, mud, and gravel. For
||| winter driving I have found that if I shift the car into neutral
||| and then brake I get a lot less skidding.
||
|| OEM tires are designed for one purpose--to sell the car during the
|| test drive. Most people don't test drive in snow. All tires have
|| compromises between set performance, dry performance, braking, cost,
|| etc, etc, etc.

Also a lot of people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice, mud, snow or
gravel.


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Old 06 Apr 2004, 05:17 am   #4 (permalink)
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> Also a lot of people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice, mud,
> snow or gravel.


I don't agree. MOST people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice, mud,
snow or gravel.

JP


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Old 06 Apr 2004, 05:19 am   #5 (permalink)
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Zareena wrote:
> I have a 2002 Camry LE. I too have been frightened and disappointed by
> the performance of the tires on snow, ice, mud, and gravel. For winter
> driving I have found that if I shift the car into neutral and then
> brake I get a lot less skidding.


So you have found? It's strange because it's what CEO's and driving
instructors have preached for many many years and obviously, it seems that
the message hasn't been heard.

Drive safely

JP


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Old 06 Apr 2004, 06:01 am   #6 (permalink)
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JP wrote:
|| SNIP
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||| Also a lot of people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice, mud,
||| snow or gravel.
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|| I don't agree. MOST people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice,
|| mud, snow or gravel.
||
|| JP

Uh, what is the great difference between "a lot" and "most"?


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Old 06 Apr 2004, 08:26 am   #7 (permalink)
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SHARX.. wrote:
> JP wrote:
>>> SNIP
>>>> Also a lot of people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice, mud,
>>>> snow or gravel.
>>> I don't agree. MOST people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice,
>>> mud, snow or gravel.

>
> Uh, what is the great difference between "a lot" and "most"?


Uh, grammatically speaking, a LOT can be a great number of, but not
necessarily a majority. MOST is a big majority. "A lot of people are
unemployed but most people work." Those who are active anyway.
;-)

JP


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Old 06 Apr 2004, 10:53 am   #8 (permalink)
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"SHARX.." <SHARX@SHARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote in message news:<v3tcc.6902$Sh4.150@edtnps84>...
> Mark A wrote:
> || "Zareena" <tesl@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> || news:f753aa2b.0404052000.72db6fcf@posting.google.c om...
> ||| I have a 2002 Camry LE. I too have been frightened and disappointed
> ||| by the performance of the tires on snow, ice, mud, and gravel. For
> ||| winter driving I have found that if I shift the car into neutral
> ||| and then brake I get a lot less skidding.
> ||
> || OEM tires are designed for one purpose--to sell the car during the
> || test drive. Most people don't test drive in snow. All tires have
> || compromises between set performance, dry performance, braking, cost,
> || etc, etc, etc.
>
> Also a lot of people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice, mud, snow or
> gravel.


Exactly how should I brake on ice, mud, snow,and gravel? I would
appreciate any feedback on this. I took driver training many years ago
but I never received any instruction on how to brake under different
conditions. I realize and understand that all tires have "compromises
between set performance, dry performance, braking, cost, etc, etc,
etc." I feel that the Camry LE is a very good car, BUT, for its cost
it should come with better tires and the tires should perform relative
to the cost/reputation of the vehicle. I drove an Aries for ten years
and I did not encounter the tire problems I have with my Camry so I'm
not entirely convinced that it's all in my lack of braking skills.
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Old 06 Apr 2004, 11:32 am   #9 (permalink)
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> Exactly how should I brake on ice, mud, snow,and gravel? I would
> appreciate any feedback on this. I took driver training many years ago
> but I never received any instruction on how to brake under different
> conditions. I realize and understand that all tires have "compromises
> between set performance, dry performance, braking, cost, etc, etc,
> etc." I feel that the Camry LE is a very good car, BUT, for its cost
> it should come with better tires and the tires should perform relative
> to the cost/reputation of the vehicle. I drove an Aries for ten years
> and I did not encounter the tire problems I have with my Camry so I'm
> not entirely convinced that it's all in my lack of braking skills.


May I suggest the following link, as a start. If you search
canadiandriver.com, you should find at least partial answers to your
question. Basically, on icy surface, we should get tranny/gearbox in
neutral, and pump the brake pedal repeatedly, whithout locking the wheels.
If one has ABS brakes, it is another story but I don't have any experience
with ABS equipped cars.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/winter.htm

Regards

JP


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Old 06 Apr 2004, 09:55 pm   #10 (permalink)
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JP wrote:
|| SHARX.. wrote:
||| JP wrote:
||||| SNIP
|||||| Also a lot of people do NOT know how to properly brake on ice,
|||||| mud, snow or gravel.
||||| I don't agree. MOST people do NOT know how to properly brake on
||||| ice, mud, snow or gravel.
|||
||| Uh, what is the great difference between "a lot" and "most"?
||
|| Uh, grammatically speaking, a LOT can be a great number of, but not
|| necessarily a majority. MOST is a big majority. "A lot of people are
|| unemployed but most people work." Those who are active anyway.
|| ;-)
||
|| JP

Point taken. <vbg> It's refreshing to meet someone who cares about grammar.


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