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Old 04 Mar 2010, 08:42 pm   #1 (permalink)
john
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That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th!

Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was
practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not
stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that
emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal.

Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar
to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden
unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of
lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.

Full article at:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMP...&asset=&ccode=

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Old 04 Mar 2010, 08:49 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"john" <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e@c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th!
>
> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was
> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not
> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that
> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal.
>
> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar
> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden
> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of
> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.
>
> Full article at:
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMP...&asset=&ccode=
>


It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD II
data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be public
domain as well.

It's my car, it's my data.







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Old 04 Mar 2010, 09:12 pm   #3 (permalink)
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john <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar
>to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden
>unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of
>lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.


ALL car manufacturers consider this proprietary information. You're lucky
that they even use the standard OBD-II codes and they wouldn't even do that
if the government didn't require them.

ANY information beyond the standard codes is proprietary. Many people have
reverse engineered the data for a lot of cars and so you can get historical
data with many scanners, but the actual interrogation codes are proprietary
because people could... horrors... use them to actually fix cars without
taking them to the dealer.

Next thing you know you'll be asking them to make ECM source code public.
--scott
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Old 04 Mar 2010, 09:34 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hmprgv$srb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
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> "john" <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e@c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th!
>>
>> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was
>> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not
>> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that
>> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal.
>>
>> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar
>> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden
>> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of
>> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.
>>
>> Full article at:
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMP...&asset=&ccode=
>>

>
> It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD
> II data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be
> public domain as well.
>
> It's my car, it's my data.
>


EDR's will become required equipment soon, the regulations are already in
place.
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Old 04 Mar 2010, 09:46 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On 3/4/2010 4:49 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
> "john"<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e@c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th!
>>
>> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was
>> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not
>> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that
>> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal.
>>
>> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar
>> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden
>> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of
>> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.
>>
>> Full article at:
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMP...&asset=&ccode=
>>

>
> It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD II
> data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be public
> domain as well.
>
> It's my car, it's my data.



The data is available to you now. I see no reason why you couldn't hook
up a laptop to your present car and record everything at the data port
in real time. There's probably a market for a recorder that is simply
plugged into the port for later uploading although I doubt that most
people would actually buy something like that.

But not to worry, your car will soon be sending out data while you're
driving. Recording data is easy now that all the subsystems on cars are
being monitored. Add GPS and wireless capabilities and you're on your
way to a brighter future. :-) Soon we'll be able to track most any car
and pull info on it. You might be able to pull data from it too but I'm
not so sure that it's gonna be your data. I think the government and the
automobile manufacturers may have first dibs on that one. :-)




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Old 04 Mar 2010, 10:15 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:42:19 -0800, john wrote:

> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar to
> airline "black boxes"


So has everyone else, putz.

Here's a hint for you: don't like Toyotas? DON'T BUY ONE!


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Old 04 Mar 2010, 10:28 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On 3/4/2010 9:49 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
> "john"<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e@c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th!
>>
>> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was
>> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not
>> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that
>> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal.
>>
>> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar
>> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden
>> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of
>> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.
>>
>> Full article at:
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMP...&asset=&ccode=
>>

>
> It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD II
> data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be public
> domain as well.
>
> It's my car, it's my data.
>


Miss the laughingly named 'USA Patriot Act'??

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Old 05 Mar 2010, 06:03 am   #8 (permalink)
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On Mar 4, 10:15 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:42:19 -0800, john wrote:
> > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar to
> > airline "black boxes"

>
> So has everyone else, putz.
>
> Here's a hint for you: don't like Toyotas? DON'T BUY ONE!


Why is he a Puts for telling it like it is," Keepin It Real", Mr "dont
bash toyota in cryin" and no Mr ' this is making me upset- all this
toyota bashing" Dumroku, did you read the article, when my mom got in
an accident with her caddy we got the Black Box printout, Its here on
my computer I scanned in the printouts, would you like me to email to
you what you say we Americans cant get from our US car manufacturers.
It has throttle position, throttle percentage, brake percentage all on
graphs showing time to impact and what all systems were doing, so shut
the **** up and quit posting your Pro Toy LIES, bunch of scumbags
those Toyoda folks, I really like the Memo how they saved hundreds of
millons and Toyoda is so stupid he thinks we will believe says he
didnt read it beacuse its in english. haaaaaa haaaaaaa [im dyin
laughin at that stupid statement], I wounder how he passed his classes
at his US university, did he cheat and have a Ghost student passing as
him?. Yea he reallllly needed that translator. HAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA
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Old 05 Mar 2010, 06:46 am   #9 (permalink)
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On Mar 4, 10:15 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:42:19 -0800, john wrote:
> > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar to
> > airline "black boxes"

>
> So has everyone else, putz.
>
> Here's a hint for you: don't like Toyotas? DON'T BUY ONE!


I have a toyota, the last one, even Consumer Reports rated some Ford
products above Tototas camrys long before this scam took place, CR, an
independant magazine has found Toys not getting the highest overall
reliability rating. Now they are proud to get the lowest credibility
rating. Buy a Ford feed 10 US families, Buy a Toyota feed 10 Jap
families. Since they have been so stupid to lie and go the beancounter
rout it wont be toyota for me anymore.
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Old 05 Mar 2010, 06:53 am   #10 (permalink)
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On 4 Mar 2010 22:12:54 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>john <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar
>>to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden
>>unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of
>>lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.

>
>ALL car manufacturers consider this proprietary information. You're lucky
>that they even use the standard OBD-II codes and they wouldn't even do that
>if the government didn't require them.
>
>ANY information beyond the standard codes is proprietary. Many people have
>reverse engineered the data for a lot of cars and so you can get historical
>data with many scanners, but the actual interrogation codes are proprietary
>because people could... horrors... use them to actually fix cars without
>taking them to the dealer.
>
>Next thing you know you'll be asking them to make ECM source code public.
>--scott


Looks like nobody here saw the discussion during the Congressional
hearings about this.
This issue was raised, and the Toyota reps were promising to send more
laptops to the U.S. Even gave numbers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...MLN-wD9E83O9G0

"Until this week, there was only a single laptop in the U.S.
containing the software needed to read the data following a crash."

The AP article makes clear that anyone who wants to can download black
box data from GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Nissan.
That means anybody reading this. I don't know the cost, but the means
is readily available to anyone.
Not true for Toyota, and you need a court order to read Honda black
boxes!
Jesus, anybody is entitled to their opinion, but there is only one set
of facts.
Read the facts, and comment on them. Don't make up our own facts.
That's a general comment, not aimed at you, Scott.

--Vic




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