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Old 20 Apr 2004, 09:32 am   #1 (permalink)
m Ransley
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On a 91 camry 4 cylinder it says to adjust valve clearance every 60000
miles. Is this necessary, will adjusting clearance affect running and
mileage, I have 90000 miles and no noise.

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Old 20 Apr 2004, 10:17 am   #2 (permalink)
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m Ransley wrote:
> On a 91 camry 4 cylinder it says to adjust valve clearance every
> 60000 miles. Is this necessary, will adjusting clearance affect
> running and mileage, I have 90000 miles and no noise.


Valves don't always get noisier. Just as often, a valve face
"erodes" which allows the valve to recede into the head, thereby
reducing the lash clearance. Your valves get quieter and soon BURN
from *insufficient* clearance. While this is not common with Toyota,
it can happen. So pull the valve cover and get out your feeler
gauges.
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Old 20 Apr 2004, 10:55 am   #3 (permalink)
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Phil , will adjusting make a milage or performace difference. My milage
is a bit low

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Old 20 Apr 2004, 04:08 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"m Ransley" <ransley@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> On a 91 camry 4 cylinder it says to adjust valve clearance every 60000
> miles. Is this necessary, will adjusting clearance affect running and
> mileage, I have 90000 miles and no noise.


Ain't broke. Don't fix it.


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Old 20 Apr 2004, 06:19 pm   #5 (permalink)
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m Ransley wrote:
> Phil , will adjusting make a milage or performace difference. My
> milage is a bit low


Depends. Don't ya love that one? LOL If the valves are out of
tolerance to the tight side, then probably an improvement in fuel
mileage, low end torque, and idle quality would result from
readjustment. If the valves are out of tolerance to the loose side,
then one might expect an improvement in mid range power, albeit
small, from readjustment.

"A slightly tappy valve is a happy valve"
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Old 20 Apr 2004, 06:19 pm   #6 (permalink)
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William W. Plummer wrote:
> "m Ransley" <ransley@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:2300-40853494-221@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net...
>> On a 91 camry 4 cylinder it says to adjust valve clearance every
>> 60000 miles. Is this necessary, will adjusting clearance affect
>> running and mileage, I have 90000 miles and no noise.

>
> Ain't broke. Don't fix it.


IN this arena, you are in error. By your reckoning, don't adjust the
valves until they are burned. That's dumb.
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Old 22 Apr 2004, 06:14 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"Philip®" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> m Ransley wrote:
> > Phil , will adjusting make a milage or performace difference. My
> > milage is a bit low

>
> Depends. Don't ya love that one? LOL If the valves are out of
> tolerance to the tight side, then probably an improvement in fuel
> mileage, low end torque, and idle quality would result from
> readjustment. If the valves are out of tolerance to the loose side,
> then one might expect an improvement in mid range power, albeit
> small, from readjustment.
>
> "A slightly tappy valve is a happy valve"


Ahem,...showing your age there Phil,...tappy is happy? Adjust them by
micro-increments until their quite.... ~(8^I)


Jason


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Old 23 Apr 2004, 12:07 am   #8 (permalink)
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Jason James wrote:
> "Philip®" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:teihc.2702$eZ5.1102@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> m Ransley wrote:
>>> Phil , will adjusting make a milage or performace difference. My
>>> milage is a bit low

>>
>> Depends. Don't ya love that one? LOL If the valves are out of
>> tolerance to the tight side, then probably an improvement in fuel
>> mileage, low end torque, and idle quality would result from
>> readjustment. If the valves are out of tolerance to the loose
>> side, then one might expect an improvement in mid range power,
>> albeit small, from readjustment.
>>
>> "A slightly tappy valve is a happy valve"

>
> Ahem,...showing your age there Phil,...tappy is happy? Adjust them
> by micro-increments until their quite.... ~(8^I)
>
> Jason


You could use a loosening of your overhead adjustments, Jason. Some
engines have valve trains that are inherently noisier than others.
My 2003 Corolla is a good example. You would not start closing up
the valve lash just to obtain "quiet."

"Micro-increments" LOL BTW, the word is spelled *quiet*.
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Old 23 Apr 2004, 01:39 am   #9 (permalink)
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I am a first time owner of a '99 camry 4 cyl. Looking through the
manual I find reference to valve adj. check at 60,000 miles. Also
under the hood there is a listing of cold and hot valve clearences.
Does the 4 cyl not have hydraulic lifters etc.? What is the charge
for this service (USA)? Will valve noise become a problem with
high miles? Thanks for some insight on this question.
jfj

It's not so much adjust valve clearance as it is "check" valve
clearance.
Change the oil regularly and they're likely to be fine.
There is no threaded adjustment as with rocker arms. There are no
rocker arms. The cams operate directly over the valves through a
lifter. Actually, the "lifter" presses the valve downward. Suppose the
term is a carryover from push rod designs where the lifter actually
"lifted." I need to reminded myself not to call the cover a "rocker
arm cover."
It's almost like you have solid lifters pre set at the factory, only
difference being there is a shim on top that can be replaced to adjust
clearance. But you need some special tools to hold the edge of the
lifter down while you remove the shim. I think someone one said they
managed this with a large screwdriver, but not sure on that one.
With the cam operating directly over the "lifter" reciprocating mass
is minimized. Also, with the multi valve design, valves are smaller
and lighter and valve springs require less tension to operate
correctly. All this reduces wear on the "valve train." Actually, there
isn't much of a "train" anymore. The only thing moving apart from the
valve itself and the cam lobe, is the single lifter. And those things
are a marvel of fine precision. Hardened steel, yet they float on a
cushion of oil, moving with the lightest touch.
Have heard of Dealers not even bothering to check the valves because
adjustment usually is not needed. To perform the adjustment you use a
micrometer to measure the shim thickness and calculate the replacement
size needed.
Once the valve cover is off, checking is fairly simple using thickness
"feeler" gauges for intake and exhaust. Plus they can be checked with
the engine"cold" which makes it even simpler. As previously mentioned,
with the engine running, if you listen next to the valve cover, you
should hear a light ticking. Not silence. Not loud clacking.
If I understand correctly, the newer engines just use a solid lifter
without the shim, so it seems Toyota recognized adjustment is seldom
required.
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Old 23 Apr 2004, 09:52 am   #10 (permalink)
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Daniel M. Dreifus wrote:
> I am a first time owner of a '99 camry 4 cyl. Looking through the
> manual I find reference to valve adj. check at 60,000 miles. Also
> under the hood there is a listing of cold and hot valve clearences.
> Does the 4 cyl not have hydraulic lifters etc.? What is the charge
> for this service (USA)? Will valve noise become a problem with
> high miles? Thanks for some insight on this question.
> jfj
>


>snip<
> Once the valve cover is off, checking is fairly simple using
> thickness "feeler" gauges for intake and exhaust. Plus they can be
> checked with the engine"cold" which makes it even simpler. As
> previously mentioned, with the engine running, if you listen next
> to the valve cover, you should hear a light ticking. Not silence.
> Not loud clacking.
> If I understand correctly, the newer engines just use a solid
> lifter without the shim, so it seems Toyota recognized adjustment
> is seldom required.


Valve clearance is measured COLD. The reason being IF any
adjustments are needed, the cool off that would occur during shim
exchange would require re-warming the engine to get an accurate
clearance re-check.

Listen for valve train silence, clicking, or clacking is useless.
Some engines have very aggressive opening ramps which promote
"clicking." Also, it is easy for the inexperienced ear to mistake
valves clicking from injector clicking.

Bucket cam followers come in three designs:

1) Bucket with selective thickness shim interposed the cam and
bucket. (most common)
2) Bucket with selective thickness shim interposed the bucket and
valve stem.
3) Bucket itself has a selective thickness head. In this design, the
entire bucket is exchanged. (Standard Corolla engine from 1998 on is
this way). This design is also the lightest weight which promotes
higher rpm before valve float occurs.

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