Blown Head Gasket & 2 Burnt Valves 93 Camry V6

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Old 22 Apr 2004, 12:06 am   #1 (permalink)
Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt
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My mother owns a 93 Camry V6 with 77k on the clock. on 3/24 she took the
car into the Toyota dealer for a free oil change and it ended up costing
over $3200 for new head gaskets and a valve job. Not only did this repair
cost a fortune but it took them 17 days to repair the car. I went down to
the Toyota dealer to talk with the service advisor before any repairs could
be begin and he showed me the light brown streaks in the oil. He also
showed me the oil deposits that were collecting in the radiator.

My mom drives like an old lady and the car has only been serviced by Toyota
mechanics. I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed to be reliable
vehicles? I would never have thought that a car with such few miles on the
clock could have such a major failure. I could understand if the car was
driven hard or was improperly maintained but it's quite the opposite. This
is something that one would expect from an American made vehicle. I've
personally had 3 American cars that have had blown head gaskets before
reaching 90k.

I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced this
problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my mother did to
repair their vehicles.


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Old 22 Apr 2004, 06:22 am   #2 (permalink)
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Does your mom make short trips. Is regular maintenance done at mileage or
time intervals. Does the car runs a lot to warm up before she drives it.
Just ideas. A blown gasket doesn't happen just like that, I don't think.
My 0.02 cents.
JP

Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt wrote:
> My mother owns a 93 Camry V6 with 77k on the clock. on 3/24 she took
> the car into the Toyota dealer for a free oil change and it ended up
> costing over $3200 for new head gaskets and a valve job. Not only
> did this repair cost a fortune but it took them 17 days to repair the
> car. I went down to the Toyota dealer to talk with the service
> advisor before any repairs could be begin and he showed me the light
> brown streaks in the oil. He also showed me the oil deposits that
> were collecting in the radiator.
>
> My mom drives like an old lady and the car has only been serviced by
> Toyota mechanics. I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed to be
> reliable vehicles? I would never have thought that a car with such
> few miles on the clock could have such a major failure. I could
> understand if the car was driven hard or was improperly maintained
> but it's quite the opposite. This is something that one would expect
> from an American made vehicle. I've personally had 3 American cars
> that have had blown head gaskets before reaching 90k.
>
> I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced
> this problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my
> mother did to repair their vehicles.



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Old 22 Apr 2004, 07:57 am   #3 (permalink)
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Id complain about the 3200.

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Old 22 Apr 2004, 10:13 am   #4 (permalink)
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Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt wrote:
>snip<
> I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed
> to be reliable vehicles? I would never have thought that a car
> with such few miles on the clock could have such a major failure.
> I could understand if the car was driven hard or was improperly
> maintained but it's quite the opposite. This is something that
> one would expect from an American made vehicle. I've personally
> had 3 American cars that have had blown head gaskets before
> reaching 90k.
>
> I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced
> this problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my
> mother did to repair their vehicles.


Buying ANY vehicle on reputation does NOT preclude all individual
failures. Plus, the car IS eleven years old. Why your particular
engine spit a head gasket or two can be fodder for ENDLESS
speculation that solves nothing. Luck of the draw, my friend.

~Philip

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Old 22 Apr 2004, 05:57 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt" <jdrb408@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> My mother owns a 93 Camry V6 with 77k on the clock. on 3/24 she took the
> car into the Toyota dealer for a free oil change and it ended up costing
> over $3200 for new head gaskets and a valve job. Not only did this repair
> cost a fortune but it took them 17 days to repair the car. I went down

to
> the Toyota dealer to talk with the service advisor before any repairs

could
> be begin and he showed me the light brown streaks in the oil. He also
> showed me the oil deposits that were collecting in the radiator.
>
> My mom drives like an old lady and the car has only been serviced by

Toyota
> mechanics. I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed to be reliable
> vehicles? I would never have thought that a car with such few miles on

the
> clock could have such a major failure. I could understand if the car was
> driven hard or was improperly maintained but it's quite the opposite.

This
> is something that one would expect from an American made vehicle. I've
> personally had 3 American cars that have had blown head gaskets before
> reaching 90k.
>
> I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced this
> problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my mother did to
> repair their vehicles.


On this subject, I've heard of pre-mature h-gasket failure, or what appears
that way, in low mileage, 'light-service' cars before.

As a theory, it maybe there are forces at work which tend to cause
headgasket failure ie stretching headbolts, cyl head warp over time, gasket
breakdown....stuff like that. On the other hand, constant higher combustion
temperatures encountered in highway driving can over time make some
headgaskets really adhere to the block, making removal difficult.

just a theory,....Jason


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Old 23 Apr 2004, 10:15 am   #6 (permalink)
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I had an 83 Tercel that had headgasket leakage at around 70k miles and my
father's 88 Camry has about the same mileage and has some headgasket
leakage. I sold mine (with notice to the new owner) and my father drives
his a few thousand miles a year.



"Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt" <jdrb408@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> My mother owns a 93 Camry V6 with 77k on the clock. on 3/24 she took the
> car into the Toyota dealer for a free oil change and it ended up costing
> over $3200 for new head gaskets and a valve job. Not only did this repair
> cost a fortune but it took them 17 days to repair the car. I went down

to
> the Toyota dealer to talk with the service advisor before any repairs

could
> be begin and he showed me the light brown streaks in the oil. He also
> showed me the oil deposits that were collecting in the radiator.
>
> My mom drives like an old lady and the car has only been serviced by

Toyota
> mechanics. I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed to be reliable
> vehicles? I would never have thought that a car with such few miles on

the
> clock could have such a major failure. I could understand if the car was
> driven hard or was improperly maintained but it's quite the opposite.

This
> is something that one would expect from an American made vehicle. I've
> personally had 3 American cars that have had blown head gaskets before
> reaching 90k.
>
> I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced this
> problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my mother did to
> repair their vehicles.
>
>



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Old 23 Apr 2004, 05:55 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:06:14 GMT, "Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt"
<jdrb408@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>My mother owns a 93 Camry V6 with 77k on the clock. on 3/24 she took the
>car into the Toyota dealer for a free oil change and it ended up costing
>over $3200 for new head gaskets and a valve job. Not only did this repair
>cost a fortune but it took them 17 days to repair the car. I went down to
>the Toyota dealer to talk with the service advisor before any repairs could
>be begin and he showed me the light brown streaks in the oil. He also
>showed me the oil deposits that were collecting in the radiator.
>
>My mom drives like an old lady and the car has only been serviced by Toyota
>mechanics. I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed to be reliable
>vehicles? I would never have thought that a car with such few miles on the
>clock could have such a major failure. I could understand if the car was
>driven hard or was improperly maintained but it's quite the opposite. This
>is something that one would expect from an American made vehicle. I've
>personally had 3 American cars that have had blown head gaskets before
>reaching 90k.
>
>I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced this
>problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my mother did to
>repair their vehicles.
>

Was the coolant replaced on a regular basis? It seems like the
aluminum engines deplete the corrosion inhibitors in the coolant and
allow corrosion of the head gasket leading to failure. This is common
in the Cadillacs.
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Old 23 Apr 2004, 10:10 pm   #8 (permalink)
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"JP" <perettij@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:<sVNhc.25733$Np3.946443@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>...
> Does your mom make short trips. Is regular maintenance done at mileage or
> time intervals. Does the car runs a lot to warm up before she drives it.
> Just ideas. A blown gasket doesn't happen just like that, I don't think.
> My 0.02 cents.
> JP
>
> Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt wrote:
> > My mother owns a 93 Camry V6 with 77k on the clock. on 3/24 she took
> > the car into the Toyota dealer for a free oil change and it ended up
> > costing over $3200 for new head gaskets and a valve job. Not only
> > did this repair cost a fortune but it took them 17 days to repair the
> > car. I went down to the Toyota dealer to talk with the service
> > advisor before any repairs could be begin and he showed me the light
> > brown streaks in the oil. He also showed me the oil deposits that
> > were collecting in the radiator.
> >
> > My mom drives like an old lady and the car has only been serviced by
> > Toyota mechanics. I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed to be
> > reliable vehicles? I would never have thought that a car with such
> > few miles on the clock could have such a major failure. I could
> > understand if the car was driven hard or was improperly maintained
> > but it's quite the opposite. This is something that one would expect
> > from an American made vehicle. I've personally had 3 American cars
> > that have had blown head gaskets before reaching 90k.
> >
> > I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced
> > this problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my
> > mother did to repair their vehicles.


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Hi,
77K is pretty low. $3,200 is outrageous. Even an engine swap will not
cost that much. If I remember correctly, Toyota will replace it
at no charge with milleage less than 100K even though the power
train warranty is 60K or 80k something. But, the failure cause has to
be
justifiable. Show all the deler service records to service and
district manager. The warranty is nationwide. If the cause is
justifiable,Toyota HQ in Japan may send out a team to remove the
engine and ship it back to Japan for further
study and find out why it would fail at this low milleage. I expect
quite a few Toyota managers in Japan HQ will fall off their chairs
when they hear this kind of failure since they value thir reputation
that is more important than anythig. Especially, Camry is over-
engineered and reliable car. Los of Camrys reach to 300K and still
running. Of course, the failure cause has to be justifiable.
Give it a try.
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Old 23 Apr 2004, 11:19 pm   #9 (permalink)
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303K miles. No problem with the head gasket. 92 V-6
"Matt" <mliao6990@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JP" <perettij@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

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> > Does your mom make short trips. Is regular maintenance done at mileage

or
> > time intervals. Does the car runs a lot to warm up before she drives it.
> > Just ideas. A blown gasket doesn't happen just like that, I don't think.
> > My 0.02 cents.
> > JP
> >
> > Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt wrote:
> > > My mother owns a 93 Camry V6 with 77k on the clock. on 3/24 she took
> > > the car into the Toyota dealer for a free oil change and it ended up
> > > costing over $3200 for new head gaskets and a valve job. Not only
> > > did this repair cost a fortune but it took them 17 days to repair the
> > > car. I went down to the Toyota dealer to talk with the service
> > > advisor before any repairs could be begin and he showed me the light
> > > brown streaks in the oil. He also showed me the oil deposits that
> > > were collecting in the radiator.
> > >
> > > My mom drives like an old lady and the car has only been serviced by
> > > Toyota mechanics. I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed to be
> > > reliable vehicles? I would never have thought that a car with such
> > > few miles on the clock could have such a major failure. I could
> > > understand if the car was driven hard or was improperly maintained
> > > but it's quite the opposite. This is something that one would expect
> > > from an American made vehicle. I've personally had 3 American cars
> > > that have had blown head gaskets before reaching 90k.
> > >
> > > I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced
> > > this problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my
> > > mother did to repair their vehicles.

>
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> Hi,
> 77K is pretty low. $3,200 is outrageous. Even an engine swap will not
> cost that much. If I remember correctly, Toyota will replace it
> at no charge with milleage less than 100K even though the power
> train warranty is 60K or 80k something. But, the failure cause has to
> be
> justifiable. Show all the deler service records to service and
> district manager. The warranty is nationwide. If the cause is
> justifiable,Toyota HQ in Japan may send out a team to remove the
> engine and ship it back to Japan for further
> study and find out why it would fail at this low milleage. I expect
> quite a few Toyota managers in Japan HQ will fall off their chairs
> when they hear this kind of failure since they value thir reputation
> that is more important than anythig. Especially, Camry is over-
> engineered and reliable car. Los of Camrys reach to 300K and still
> running. Of course, the failure cause has to be justifiable.
> Give it a try.



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Old 24 Apr 2004, 03:19 pm   #10 (permalink)
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I saw posted somewhere that the Northstar engine includes coolant sealant
from the factory fill.


"D F Bonnett" <DFBonnett_no_spam_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:06:14 GMT, "Jeff Duarte - Robert Bobbitt"
> <jdrb408@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >My mother owns a 93 Camry V6 with 77k on the clock. on 3/24 she took the
> >car into the Toyota dealer for a free oil change and it ended up costing
> >over $3200 for new head gaskets and a valve job. Not only did this

repair
> >cost a fortune but it took them 17 days to repair the car. I went down

to
> >the Toyota dealer to talk with the service advisor before any repairs

could
> >be begin and he showed me the light brown streaks in the oil. He also
> >showed me the oil deposits that were collecting in the radiator.
> >
> >My mom drives like an old lady and the car has only been serviced by

Toyota
> >mechanics. I thought that Toyota vehicles were supposed to be reliable
> >vehicles? I would never have thought that a car with such few miles on

the
> >clock could have such a major failure. I could understand if the car

was
> >driven hard or was improperly maintained but it's quite the opposite.

This
> >is something that one would expect from an American made vehicle. I've
> >personally had 3 American cars that have had blown head gaskets before
> >reaching 90k.
> >
> >I am interested to find out if other Camry owners have experienced this
> >problem at this low mileage and if they spent as much as my mother did to
> >repair their vehicles.
> >

> Was the coolant replaced on a regular basis? It seems like the
> aluminum engines deplete the corrosion inhibitors in the coolant and
> allow corrosion of the head gasket leading to failure. This is common
> in the Cadillacs.



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