'03 Camry "has serious design flaw" -- consumer review

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Old 11 Oct 2004, 04:30 pm   #1 (permalink)
Tim J. Johson
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Found the following review on the MSN Auto website on the '03 LE. I
was particulary interested in it since it mentioned "outside edge
wear" on tires. I have noticed the same and of course attributed it
to alignment....any comments? BTW, the MSN auto review site has some
very good information. Highly recommended....
_______
Not recommended due to serious design problems"
08/07/2004 By: An MSN Autos Consumer. Exhaust hangs too low. Seems
poorly corrected in 04 models by raising entire rear end of car
(raising center of gravity). Poor handling, must pay constant
attention, or won't stay in straight line. Problem especially severe
in cross wind.

Wears outside of front tires extremely fast even with tow-in correctly
set at zero and camber set toward negative end of spec'd range, i.e.
at -1.1 degrees (should reduce the problem but doesn't seem to).
Evidently, tire wear and handling problems are due to engineering
design flaws built into this model. The handling especially could be a
safety issue. Toyota shop does not acknowledge the problem. Oil filter
in awkward position to change easily.
________More to it at the website, but that's the basics....the
website is here:

http://autos.msn.com/home/used_research.aspx?src=msn
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Old 11 Oct 2004, 08:33 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Tim J. Johson said...
> Found the following review on the MSN Auto website on the '03 LE. I
> was particulary interested in it since it mentioned "outside edge
> wear" on tires. I have noticed the same and of course attributed it
> to alignment....any comments? BTW, the MSN auto review site has some
> very good information. Highly recommended....


I was NOT able to reproduce your results on the MS auto website?????? I
don't see where you are permitted to enter model (LE/SE/XLE). And I
could not find any mention of the tire wear? How did you find that info?

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Old 11 Oct 2004, 09:21 pm   #3 (permalink)
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my 2002 Camry had no tire wear on the outside edge. I suggest people get
their alignment checked every 25,000 miles and make sure the tires are
properly rotated, balanced and inflated.


Tim J. Johson wrote:
> Found the following review on the MSN Auto website on the '03 LE. I
> was particulary interested in it since it mentioned "outside edge
> wear" on tires. I have noticed the same and of course attributed it
> to alignment....any comments? BTW, the MSN auto review site has some
> very good information. Highly recommended....
> _______
> Not recommended due to serious design problems"
> 08/07/2004 By: An MSN Autos Consumer. Exhaust hangs too low. Seems
> poorly corrected in 04 models by raising entire rear end of car
> (raising center of gravity). Poor handling, must pay constant
> attention, or won't stay in straight line. Problem especially severe
> in cross wind.
>
> Wears outside of front tires extremely fast even with tow-in correctly
> set at zero and camber set toward negative end of spec'd range, i.e.
> at -1.1 degrees (should reduce the problem but doesn't seem to).
> Evidently, tire wear and handling problems are due to engineering
> design flaws built into this model. The handling especially could be a
> safety issue. Toyota shop does not acknowledge the problem. Oil filter
> in awkward position to change easily.
> ________More to it at the website, but that's the basics....the
> website is here:
>
> http://autos.msn.com/home/used_research.aspx?src=msn



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Old 12 Oct 2004, 11:50 am   #4 (permalink)
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DrWho wrote in message news:<MPG.1bd4fe76eded5d179896c4@news.adelphia.net >...
> Tim J. Johson said...
> > Found the following review on the MSN Auto website on the '03 LE. I
> > was particulary interested in it since it mentioned "outside edge
> > wear" on tires. I have noticed the same and of course attributed it
> > to alignment....any comments? BTW, the MSN auto review site has some
> > very good information. Highly recommended....

>
> I was NOT able to reproduce your results on the MS auto website?????? I
> don't see where you are permitted to enter model (LE/SE/XLE). And I
> could not find any mention of the tire wear? How did you find that info?


Click on the hyperlink in my message, at the very top of that page is
a spot to pick your make of vehicle....it's "drill down" from
there....

BTW, the 2002 CAMRY is not recommended by MSN because of "severe
engine problems."

Not sure I agree given what they say are the problems....but check it
out for yourself....
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Old 12 Oct 2004, 12:18 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Tim J. Johson wrote:
> DrWho wrote in message
> news:<MPG.1bd4fe76eded5d179896c4@news.adelphia.net >...
>> Tim J. Johson said...
>>> Found the following review on the MSN Auto website on the '03 LE. I
>>> was particulary interested in it since it mentioned "outside edge
>>> wear" on tires. I have noticed the same and of course attributed it
>>> to alignment....any comments? BTW, the MSN auto review site has some
>>> very good information. Highly recommended....

>>
>> I was NOT able to reproduce your results on the MS auto
>> website?????? I don't see where you are permitted to enter model
>> (LE/SE/XLE). And I
>> could not find any mention of the tire wear? How did you find that
>> info?

>
> Click on the hyperlink in my message, at the very top of that page is
> a spot to pick your make of vehicle....it's "drill down" from
> there....
>
> BTW, the 2002 CAMRY is not recommended by MSN because of "severe
> engine problems."
>
> Not sure I agree given what they say are the problems....but check it
> out for yourself....



MSN and CNN have a common short coming. They overstate, lie, and omit to
generate readership.

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Old 12 Oct 2004, 08:37 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Tim J. Johson said...
> Click on the hyperlink in my message, at the very top of that page is
> a spot to pick your make of vehicle....it's "drill down" from
> there....


OK - I found the text that you posted. That "review" was submitted by
some anonymous guy, and carries no more weight than the posts in this
newsgroup. That text was NOT an "official" review by MSN Auto.

OTOH, the "significant problems" that you mention for 2002 engines
IS "official" from MSN Auto. Seems to me though, that the engine
problems that they detail are not that serious.

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Old 18 Oct 2004, 06:07 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Replaced the original front tires on my 03 today after only 17,000 mi
because of outside wear on the front tires. Like a dope, I kept the
tires at 29 psi as toyota recommended. My new Michelin's now all have
32 psi in them! Sparkey

On 11 Oct 2004 14:30:21 -0700, timbirr@mailcity.com (Tim J. Johson)
wrote:

>Found the following review on the MSN Auto website on the '03 LE. I
>was particulary interested in it since it mentioned "outside edge
>wear" on tires. I have noticed the same and of course attributed it
>to alignment....any comments? BTW, the MSN auto review site has some
>very good information. Highly recommended....
>_______
>Not recommended due to serious design problems"
>08/07/2004 By: An MSN Autos Consumer. Exhaust hangs too low. Seems
>poorly corrected in 04 models by raising entire rear end of car
>(raising center of gravity). Poor handling, must pay constant
>attention, or won't stay in straight line. Problem especially severe
>in cross wind.
>
>Wears outside of front tires extremely fast even with tow-in correctly
>set at zero and camber set toward negative end of spec'd range, i.e.
>at -1.1 degrees (should reduce the problem but doesn't seem to).
>Evidently, tire wear and handling problems are due to engineering
>design flaws built into this model. The handling especially could be a
>safety issue. Toyota shop does not acknowledge the problem. Oil filter
>in awkward position to change easily.
>________More to it at the website, but that's the basics....the
>website is here:
>
>http://autos.msn.com/home/used_research.aspx?src=msn


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Old 18 Oct 2004, 08:03 pm   #8 (permalink)
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Did you ALSO get the front end aligned? Otherwise, you're just gonna have
the same experience again.
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Sparkey wrote:
> Replaced the original front tires on my 03 today after only 17,000 mi
> because of outside wear on the front tires. Like a dope, I kept the
> tires at 29 psi as toyota recommended. My new Michelin's now all have
> 32 psi in them! Sparkey
>
> On 11 Oct 2004 14:30:21 -0700, timbirr@mailcity.com (Tim J. Johson)
> wrote:
>
>> Found the following review on the MSN Auto website on the '03 LE. I
>> was particulary interested in it since it mentioned "outside edge
>> wear" on tires. I have noticed the same and of course attributed it
>> to alignment....any comments? BTW, the MSN auto review site has some
>> very good information. Highly recommended....
>> _______
>> Not recommended due to serious design problems"
>> 08/07/2004 By: An MSN Autos Consumer. Exhaust hangs too low. Seems
>> poorly corrected in 04 models by raising entire rear end of car
>> (raising center of gravity). Poor handling, must pay constant
>> attention, or won't stay in straight line. Problem especially severe
>> in cross wind.
>>
>> Wears outside of front tires extremely fast even with tow-in
>> correctly set at zero and camber set toward negative end of spec'd
>> range, i.e. at -1.1 degrees (should reduce the problem but doesn't
>> seem to). Evidently, tire wear and handling problems are due to
>> engineering design flaws built into this model. The handling
>> especially could be a safety issue. Toyota shop does not acknowledge
>> the problem. Oil filter in awkward position to change easily.
>> ________More to it at the website, but that's the basics....the
>> website is here:
>>
>> http://autos.msn.com/home/used_research.aspx?src=msn



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Old 19 Oct 2004, 03:16 pm   #9 (permalink)
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"Sparkey" <rduane@cox.net> wrote in message
news:usi8n0l41jcb5fttc549lifelupejph58d@4ax.com...
> Replaced the original front tires on my 03 today after only 17,000 mi
> because of outside wear on the front tires. Like a dope, I kept the
> tires at 29 psi as toyota recommended. My new Michelin's now all have
> 32 psi in them! Sparkey



3 psi will not have any impact to speak of on tire wear.

Outside shoulder wear on the front tires can indicate mis-alignment, but may
also indicate the need for less speed when cornering.

In terms of alignment, there maybe too much toe-in,..but frequent oversteer
as corners are negotiated can produce the same thing.

Jason


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