Toyota Engine Oil Sludge

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Old 18 Oct 2004, 10:36 pm   #1 (permalink)
Charlene Blake
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Toyota's estimate of engine oil sludge complaints was 3,200 in 2002.
Why then does a Toyota spokesperson, John Hanson, say in a recent
article that there are only about the same number of complaints to
date? What kind of deceit is that?

With over a thousand dealerships nationwide and several cases of
sludge in a months time, how in the world did Toyota come up with that
number? Even if not all owners are reporting the problem, are we to
believe that Toyota is naive enough not to know better?

Toyota is making the details of its "Customer Support Program for
Engine Oil Gelation" very hard to find even on its own web site.
Toyota is contributing to the shut down of discussion of the matter on
several web sites, including Edmund's Town Hall, which close the
discussion right after it began!

Toyota is taking lots of money from new Toyota owners for extended
warranties and denying the claims when sludge hits. Does it know this
will happen? Isn't this fraud?!? Is any information given out to
prospective buyers who are shopping for a "certified used" Toyota?
Are they told about the CSP at a bare minimum? No, they are not.
Are they duped into buying an extended warranty which will turn out to
be bogus for sludge repairs? Sure, they are.

How long will Toyota go on denying this problem is related to engine
design or component malfunction? How long will it keep that
"proprietary data" hidden from the Toyota owners and the buying
public? How long will this company secretly fight those who wish to
speak out about the matter? How long will it keep up this charade?

Many Toyota owners would like to know the answers to these questions.
Many cannot believe that a company can carry out its business in this
manner and still be expected to be respected in the marketplace.

Toyota Owners Unite for Resolution

http://www.petitiononline.com/TMC2003/petition.html

Charlene Blake
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Old 19 Oct 2004, 12:10 am   #2 (permalink)
Philip
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Charlene Blake wrote:
> Toyota's estimate of engine oil sludge complaints was 3,200 in 2002.
> Why then does a Toyota spokesperson, John Hanson, say in a recent
> article that there are only about the same number of complaints to
> date? What kind of deceit is that?



Everything you don't want to hear is a lie. Charlene ... you're a miserable
middle aged woman.
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Old 19 Oct 2004, 07:23 pm   #3 (permalink)
Car Guy
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few questions:

- The people who have the problems, do they have documents showing oil
changes and were they actually done (i.e. saw the oil changed)
- What frequency was the oil changed
- What was their driving style?

I suspect there were 1000's of camrys sold and everyone I know who change
their oil frequently never have problems. As a goodwill gesture (perhaps
thanks to you), Toyota Canada gave me an 8 year unlimited mileage warranty
against sludge when I bought my 2002 camry le v6. I change the oil every
4,000 miles using mobil 1 and don't plan on having any issues.

Thanks for your info.


"Charlene Blake" <cblake@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Toyota's estimate of engine oil sludge complaints was 3,200 in 2002.
> Why then does a Toyota spokesperson, John Hanson, say in a recent
> article that there are only about the same number of complaints to
> date? What kind of deceit is that?
>
> With over a thousand dealerships nationwide and several cases of
> sludge in a months time, how in the world did Toyota come up with that
> number? Even if not all owners are reporting the problem, are we to
> believe that Toyota is naive enough not to know better?
>
> Toyota is making the details of its "Customer Support Program for
> Engine Oil Gelation" very hard to find even on its own web site.
> Toyota is contributing to the shut down of discussion of the matter on
> several web sites, including Edmund's Town Hall, which close the
> discussion right after it began!
>
> Toyota is taking lots of money from new Toyota owners for extended
> warranties and denying the claims when sludge hits. Does it know this
> will happen? Isn't this fraud?!? Is any information given out to
> prospective buyers who are shopping for a "certified used" Toyota?
> Are they told about the CSP at a bare minimum? No, they are not.
> Are they duped into buying an extended warranty which will turn out to
> be bogus for sludge repairs? Sure, they are.
>
> How long will Toyota go on denying this problem is related to engine
> design or component malfunction? How long will it keep that
> "proprietary data" hidden from the Toyota owners and the buying
> public? How long will this company secretly fight those who wish to
> speak out about the matter? How long will it keep up this charade?
>
> Many Toyota owners would like to know the answers to these questions.
> Many cannot believe that a company can carry out its business in this
> manner and still be expected to be respected in the marketplace.
>
> Toyota Owners Unite for Resolution
>
> http://www.petitiononline.com/TMC2003/petition.html
>
> Charlene Blake
> cblake@erols.com



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Old 20 Oct 2004, 10:24 am   #4 (permalink)
m Ransley
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Use Mobil 1 , change it at 3000 for city driving, 4000+ for highway
and you wont have an issue.

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Old 20 Oct 2004, 03:44 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Car Guy" <ac222@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> few questions:
>
> - The people who have the problems, do they have documents showing oil
> changes and were they actually done (i.e. saw the oil changed)
> - What frequency was the oil changed
> - What was their driving style?
>
> I suspect there were 1000's of camrys sold and everyone I know who change
> their oil frequently never have problems. As a goodwill gesture (perhaps
> thanks to you), Toyota Canada gave me an 8 year unlimited mileage warranty
> against sludge when I bought my 2002 camry le v6. I change the oil every
> 4,000 miles using mobil 1 and don't plan on having any issues.
>
> Thanks for your info.
>

Car Guy,
You're wasting your time on this woman. She's a troll, seldom if ever
engages in a conversation and when she does and is asked questions she just
ignores them and and continues with her rants and dis-information.
davidj92


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Old 26 Oct 2004, 05:32 pm   #6 (permalink)
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I think toyota's biggist problem is revealed in how fast the pcv valve
clogs, which could cause jelling or, as we use to call it "sludge". I have
to clean mine every 2500 miles. However, in doing so, I'm 50,000 miles on
an "01 Camry and doing just fine.

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Old 26 Oct 2004, 09:42 pm   #7 (permalink)
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mrbhanks wrote:
> I think toyota's biggist problem is revealed in how fast the pcv valve
> clogs, which could cause jelling or, as we use to call it "sludge". I
> have to clean mine every 2500 miles. However, in doing so, I'm
> 50,000 miles on an "01 Camry and doing just fine.


ANYTIME a pcv valve clogs up to the point the valve within ceases to move,
it is because of EXCESSIVE blowby. In other words, you have badly leaking
compression rings. I rather doubt you have this condition.

Of equal importance is the oil vapor separator located on the underside of
the forward valve cover. If this labrynth and it's drain holes are clogged,
the crankcase will pressurize under acceleration or anytime blowby volume
exceeds PCV flow rate.

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