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Old 04 Nov 2004, 01:00 pm   #1 (permalink)
Jed Bartlett
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Default Tire advice: winter or all-season?

Hi,

I have a '02 Camry LE with 56,000 kms. I have the original Michelin
tires which now seem a little slippery (always kind of did, actually).

I'm in Ottawa Canada and with winter coming on I'm thinking about
getting new tires. I was thinking about snow tires (Goodyear Ultra
Grip Ice), but I'd be buying a new set of rims and I'd have to change
them back to my current ones in the spring.

I'm almost entirely a city-driver, with some minor highway driving.
I'm wondering if I'd be better off just getting a new set of quality
all-season tires instead?

What all-season tires should I think about getting (I like the quiet
ride of the Camry)? Or should I get the winter tires and swap
seasonally?

Any advice is *greatly* appreciated!

Jed
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Old 04 Nov 2004, 02:57 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On 4 Nov 2004 11:00:14 -0800, jed@rightclick.ca (Jed Bartlett)
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have a '02 Camry LE with 56,000 kms. I have the original Michelin
>tires which now seem a little slippery (always kind of did, actually).
>
>I'm in Ottawa Canada and with winter coming on I'm thinking about
>getting new tires. I was thinking about snow tires (Goodyear Ultra
>Grip Ice), but I'd be buying a new set of rims and I'd have to change
>them back to my current ones in the spring.
>
>I'm almost entirely a city-driver, with some minor highway driving.
>I'm wondering if I'd be better off just getting a new set of quality
>all-season tires instead?
>
>What all-season tires should I think about getting (I like the quiet
>ride of the Camry)? Or should I get the winter tires and swap
>seasonally?
>
>Any advice is *greatly* appreciated!
>
>Jed


Since you are asking, you must not have confidence in your winter
driving ability. I live in Rochester, MN and I don't know anyone
that uses winter tires, but then I have lived in MN for 61 out of
my nearly 66 years (four years in military service) so I don't
know many newcomers. If you have just moved north or are a new
driver, maybe you should try winter tires until you get the hang
of it. Start practice as soon as their's winter conditions,
increasing speed until control can't be regained. First use
vacant parking lots, then go to streets without curbs, finally,
the open road without steep ditches. One thing the articles
usually don't mention is to keep even power when going into and
out of ditches. Just like with motorcycles, avoid immoveable
objects. These skills may never be needed, and if they are, the
situation seldom requires your best execution, but they will
always be with you, winter tires may not be.

Glenn
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Old 04 Nov 2004, 04:44 pm   #3 (permalink)
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I have a 2002 Camry LE V6 with the Energy LX4 tires and they were pretty
crappy. I maintain 2 sets of tires:

Nokian Hakka 1's on steel rims (winter) (cost of $750)
Michelin Energy MXV4+ on factory Alloys (spring to fall) (cost $750)

If you want a quieter tire, the Michelin Harmonys are excellent as well.

I am located in Toronto, Canada so you will probably get more snow then I
would. Basically think of winter tires as an extra margin of safety. 1
accident and your car damage will easily exceed $750 not to mention a hike
in insurance rates. Based on 20,000 km driving allowance, a set of winter
should last 3 to 4 winters before the thread is not enough for winter (5/32"
as a minimum recommended).
"Jed Bartlett" <jed@rightclick.ca> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I have a '02 Camry LE with 56,000 kms. I have the original Michelin
> tires which now seem a little slippery (always kind of did, actually).
>
> I'm in Ottawa Canada and with winter coming on I'm thinking about
> getting new tires. I was thinking about snow tires (Goodyear Ultra
> Grip Ice), but I'd be buying a new set of rims and I'd have to change
> them back to my current ones in the spring.
>
> I'm almost entirely a city-driver, with some minor highway driving.
> I'm wondering if I'd be better off just getting a new set of quality
> all-season tires instead?
>
> What all-season tires should I think about getting (I like the quiet
> ride of the Camry)? Or should I get the winter tires and swap
> seasonally?
>
> Any advice is *greatly* appreciated!
>
> Jed



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Old 04 Nov 2004, 04:52 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Glenn,

Your comments are valid, but fail to take into account the lack of winter
driving skills in most people and the use of common sense. Winter tires
offer improved grip in snow, ice situations that All Season tires cannot.
Here is my experience that paid for the tires:

- snow and ice on the road.. cars driving slow
- I increase my distance from the front car so if I need to stop, I have
adequate braking
- moron behind me does not realize the weather conditions and decides to
tailgate me.
- another moron driver comes out of a plaza and darts in front of me (in the
increased space)
- car in front of him decides to stop to make a left turn

WINTER TIRES AT WORK:

- I make a hard right into the empty lane, and drive away

- guy in front of me plows into the car in front of him (making left turn)
- moron tailgating me, slides into the car in front of him (the guy who cut
me off)

I saved my front and rear bumper damage, and increased insurance. Best $750
I ever spent!


"Glenn" <minorgo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 4 Nov 2004 11:00:14 -0800, jed@rightclick.ca (Jed Bartlett)
> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have a '02 Camry LE with 56,000 kms. I have the original Michelin
>>tires which now seem a little slippery (always kind of did, actually).
>>
>>I'm in Ottawa Canada and with winter coming on I'm thinking about
>>getting new tires. I was thinking about snow tires (Goodyear Ultra
>>Grip Ice), but I'd be buying a new set of rims and I'd have to change
>>them back to my current ones in the spring.
>>
>>I'm almost entirely a city-driver, with some minor highway driving.
>>I'm wondering if I'd be better off just getting a new set of quality
>>all-season tires instead?
>>
>>What all-season tires should I think about getting (I like the quiet
>>ride of the Camry)? Or should I get the winter tires and swap
>>seasonally?
>>
>>Any advice is *greatly* appreciated!
>>
>>Jed

>
> Since you are asking, you must not have confidence in your winter
> driving ability. I live in Rochester, MN and I don't know anyone
> that uses winter tires, but then I have lived in MN for 61 out of
> my nearly 66 years (four years in military service) so I don't
> know many newcomers. If you have just moved north or are a new
> driver, maybe you should try winter tires until you get the hang
> of it. Start practice as soon as their's winter conditions,
> increasing speed until control can't be regained. First use
> vacant parking lots, then go to streets without curbs, finally,
> the open road without steep ditches. One thing the articles
> usually don't mention is to keep even power when going into and
> out of ditches. Just like with motorcycles, avoid immoveable
> objects. These skills may never be needed, and if they are, the
> situation seldom requires your best execution, but they will
> always be with you, winter tires may not be.
>
> Glenn



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Old 04 Nov 2004, 07:07 pm   #5 (permalink)
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When I lived in Rochester NY I considered snow tires the only way of not
getting stuck. But that was before radial all weather tires and front wheel
drive. We had a 2 feet freak snow storm in Raleigh, NC a few years ago and
I couldn't believe how well my 94 LHS did in the snow.


"Car Guy" <ac222@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 2002 Camry LE V6 with the Energy LX4 tires and they were pretty
>crappy. I maintain 2 sets of tires:
>
> Nokian Hakka 1's on steel rims (winter) (cost of $750)
> Michelin Energy MXV4+ on factory Alloys (spring to fall) (cost $750)
>
> If you want a quieter tire, the Michelin Harmonys are excellent as well.
>
> I am located in Toronto, Canada so you will probably get more snow then I
> would. Basically think of winter tires as an extra margin of safety. 1
> accident and your car damage will easily exceed $750 not to mention a hike
> in insurance rates. Based on 20,000 km driving allowance, a set of winter
> should last 3 to 4 winters before the thread is not enough for winter
> (5/32" as a minimum recommended).
> "Jed Bartlett" <jed@rightclick.ca> wrote in message
> news:df22eb29.0411041100.3d73e66b@posting.google.c om...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a '02 Camry LE with 56,000 kms. I have the original Michelin
>> tires which now seem a little slippery (always kind of did, actually).
>>
>> I'm in Ottawa Canada and with winter coming on I'm thinking about
>> getting new tires. I was thinking about snow tires (Goodyear Ultra
>> Grip Ice), but I'd be buying a new set of rims and I'd have to change
>> them back to my current ones in the spring.
>>
>> I'm almost entirely a city-driver, with some minor highway driving.
>> I'm wondering if I'd be better off just getting a new set of quality
>> all-season tires instead?
>>
>> What all-season tires should I think about getting (I like the quiet
>> ride of the Camry)? Or should I get the winter tires and swap
>> seasonally?
>>
>> Any advice is *greatly* appreciated!
>>
>> Jed

>
>



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Old 05 Nov 2004, 05:43 am   #6 (permalink)
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Anybody will tell you that winter tires are the way to go, no matter how
good 4-season tires are. 4-seasons are OK in the snow during the first year
but, after wearing that first year, they should be replaced with winter
tires. The grip and the stopping distance offered by winter tires are much
better.
Sure, they are a little bit noiser. So?
JP

Jed Bartlett wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a '02 Camry LE with 56,000 kms. I have the original Michelin
> tires which now seem a little slippery (always kind of did, actually).
>
> I'm in Ottawa Canada and with winter coming on I'm thinking about
> getting new tires. I was thinking about snow tires (Goodyear Ultra
> Grip Ice), but I'd be buying a new set of rims and I'd have to change
> them back to my current ones in the spring.
>
> I'm almost entirely a city-driver, with some minor highway driving.
> I'm wondering if I'd be better off just getting a new set of quality
> all-season tires instead?
>
> What all-season tires should I think about getting (I like the quiet
> ride of the Camry)? Or should I get the winter tires and swap
> seasonally?
>
> Any advice is *greatly* appreciated!
>
> Jed



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Old 05 Nov 2004, 07:24 am   #7 (permalink)
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Harmonys are good but dedicated snows are better. If I had the extra
dough I would do it, But it isnt cheap.

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Old 05 Nov 2004, 06:25 pm   #8 (permalink)
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JP wrote:
|| Anybody will tell you that winter tires are the way to go, no matter
|| how good 4-season tires are. 4-seasons are OK in the snow during the
|| first year but, after wearing that first year, they should be
|| replaced with winter tires. The grip and the stopping distance
|| offered by winter tires are much better.
|| Sure, they are a little bit noiser. So?

If money were no object, I'd install new snow tires every winter. However,
even here in Edmonton, I run all season tires and simply adapt my driving
habits to road conditions. A LOT cheaper alternative, it is.




|| JP
||
|| Jed Bartlett wrote:
||| Hi,
|||
||| I have a '02 Camry LE with 56,000 kms. I have the original Michelin
||| tires which now seem a little slippery (always kind of did,
||| actually).
|||
||| I'm in Ottawa Canada and with winter coming on I'm thinking about
||| getting new tires. I was thinking about snow tires (Goodyear Ultra
||| Grip Ice), but I'd be buying a new set of rims and I'd have to
||| change them back to my current ones in the spring.
|||
||| I'm almost entirely a city-driver, with some minor highway driving.
||| I'm wondering if I'd be better off just getting a new set of quality
||| all-season tires instead?
|||
||| What all-season tires should I think about getting (I like the quiet
||| ride of the Camry)? Or should I get the winter tires and swap
||| seasonally?
|||
||| Any advice is *greatly* appreciated!
|||
||| Jed


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Old 06 Nov 2004, 04:29 pm   #9 (permalink)
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SNIP
> If money were no object, I'd install new snow tires every winter.
> However, even here in Edmonton, I run all season tires and simply
> adapt my driving habits to road conditions. A LOT cheaper
> alternative, it is.


Think about your safety and your family's.

JP


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Old 06 Nov 2004, 05:36 pm   #10 (permalink)
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JP wrote:
|| SNIP
||| If money were no object, I'd install new snow tires every winter.
||| However, even here in Edmonton, I run all season tires and simply
||| adapt my driving habits to road conditions. A LOT cheaper
||| alternative, it is.
||
|| Think about your safety and your family's.
||
|| JP

IN over 40 years of driving I have never been involved in an accident
involving snow or ice.



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