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Old 10 Nov 2004, 12:20 pm   #1 (permalink)
Collin Brendemuehl
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Default 99 Camry & Brakes + accident

I wrecked my wife's car last night.
I was driving at what was normally a safe distance, but ...
.... were the brakes bad, or is it my perception/problem.

Normally when I start the car, the brake pedal depresses way down
but to a normal distance on the second stroke. So I always give it
two depressions before starting out.

But after driving for a while (in this case about 20 mins.) the situation
goes back to what it was when the car was first started.

Unfortuantely I was too close to the car in front to avoid hitting it.
The car slowed enough that the front end went under his bumper (high bumper
of a 70s Pontiac). Creamed the hood, radiator, etc. Speed only 15 to 20 MPH!

Anyway, about the brakes. Is that normal with ABS? This is our first car with ABS.

TIA,

Collin
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Old 10 Nov 2004, 02:38 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> I wrecked my wife's car last night.
> I was driving at what was normally a safe distance, but ...
> ... were the brakes bad, or is it my perception/problem.
>
> Normally when I start the car, the brake pedal depresses way down
> but to a normal distance on the second stroke. So I always give it
> two depressions before starting out.
>
> But after driving for a while (in this case about 20 mins.) the situation
> goes back to what it was when the car was first started.
>
> Unfortuantely I was too close to the car in front to avoid hitting it.
> The car slowed enough that the front end went under his bumper (high bumper
> of a 70s Pontiac). Creamed the hood, radiator, etc. Speed only 15 to 20 MPH!
>
> Anyway, about the brakes. Is that normal with ABS? This is our first car with ABS.
>
> TIA,
>
> Collin


Sounds like a leaking master cylinder to me.

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Old 10 Nov 2004, 03:09 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Sounds like you had air in the brake
lines or bad master cylinder. Your
ABS should have prevented any skidding.
Did it skid? Did the pedal shake?
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Old 11 Nov 2004, 06:53 am   #4 (permalink)
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Hi,

This is a classic symptom of air in the brake system somewhere, most likely
in your ABS unit. This unit is very difficult to bleed properly at home, and
is best left to a tech with pressure bleeding equipment.

That need to pump the brakes is not normal at all with any brake system, and
can be dangerous as you found.

Geoff

"Collin Brendemuehl" <dplotusnotes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8761a511.0411100920.40592234@posting.google.c om...
>I wrecked my wife's car last night.
> I was driving at what was normally a safe distance, but ...
> ... were the brakes bad, or is it my perception/problem.
>
> Normally when I start the car, the brake pedal depresses way down
> but to a normal distance on the second stroke. So I always give it
> two depressions before starting out.
>
> But after driving for a while (in this case about 20 mins.) the situation
> goes back to what it was when the car was first started.
>
> Unfortuantely I was too close to the car in front to avoid hitting it.
> The car slowed enough that the front end went under his bumper (high
> bumper
> of a 70s Pontiac). Creamed the hood, radiator, etc. Speed only 15 to 20
> MPH!
>
> Anyway, about the brakes. Is that normal with ABS? This is our first car
> with ABS.
>
> TIA,
>
> Collin



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Old 11 Nov 2004, 03:12 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Geoff" <whitefamily1@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<419352a5$0$31138$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com. au>...
> Hi,
>
> This is a classic symptom of air in the brake system somewhere, most likely
> in your ABS unit. This unit is very difficult to bleed properly at home, and
> is best left to a tech with pressure bleeding equipment.
>
> That need to pump the brakes is not normal at all with any brake system, and
> can be dangerous as you found.
>
> Geoff
>
> "Collin Brendemuehl" <dplotusnotes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8761a511.0411100920.40592234@posting.google.c om...
> >I wrecked my wife's car last night.
> > I was driving at what was normally a safe distance, but ...
> > ... were the brakes bad, or is it my perception/problem.
> >
> > Normally when I start the car, the brake pedal depresses way down
> > but to a normal distance on the second stroke. So I always give it
> > two depressions before starting out.
> >
> > But after driving for a while (in this case about 20 mins.) the situation
> > goes back to what it was when the car was first started.
> >
> > Unfortuantely I was too close to the car in front to avoid hitting it.
> > The car slowed enough that the front end went under his bumper (high
> > bumper
> > of a 70s Pontiac). Creamed the hood, radiator, etc. Speed only 15 to 20
> > MPH!
> >
> > Anyway, about the brakes. Is that normal with ABS? This is our first car
> > with ABS.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Collin


Thanks, everyone.
I told the policeman about it and he didn't check the brakes to see
about brake failure. He simply ticketed me.
I'm going to have the insurance adjuster and the shop check the
brakes. (Yes, they will. They want to be certain of their
decisions.)
There was no shimmy or shake. No skid. Just inadequate slowing.

TIA,

Collin
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Old 11 Nov 2004, 04:31 pm   #6 (permalink)
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>Thanks, everyone.
>I told the policeman about it and he didn't check the brakes to see
>about brake failure. He simply ticketed me.
>I'm going to have the insurance adjuster and the shop check the
>brakes. (Yes, they will. They want to be certain of their
>decisions.)
>There was no shimmy or shake. No skid. Just inadequate slowing.
>
>TIA,
>
>Collin


The idea with antilock brakes if you really need to stop fast is to
hit the brake hard and hold it. ABS will modulate the brake pedal
(you will feel it) to keep the wheels from locking up.
I suggest a full brake inspection and repair before using it again.
Even if they failed, the cop does not care you were still at fault.
He might have given you a ticket for unsafe equipment as well.

I'm going to have the insurance adjuster and the shop check the
>brakes. (Yes, they will. They want to be certain of their
>decisions.)

Well, they are certain of the fact that you were at fault by hitting
the other car in front of you...Good luck.
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Old 11 Nov 2004, 07:47 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
|| "Geoff" <whitefamily1@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
|| news:<419352a5$0$31138$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com. au>...
||| Hi,
|||
||| This is a classic symptom of air in the brake system somewhere,
||| most likely in your ABS unit. This unit is very difficult to bleed
||| properly at home, and is best left to a tech with pressure bleeding
||| equipment.
|||
||| That need to pump the brakes is not normal at all with any brake
||| system, and can be dangerous as you found.
|||
||| Geoff
|||
||| "Collin Brendemuehl" <dplotusnotes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
||| news:8761a511.0411100920.40592234@posting.google.c om...
|||| I wrecked my wife's car last night.
|||| I was driving at what was normally a safe distance, but ...
|||| ... were the brakes bad, or is it my perception/problem.
||||
|||| Normally when I start the car, the brake pedal depresses way down
|||| but to a normal distance on the second stroke. So I always give it
|||| two depressions before starting out.
||||
|||| But after driving for a while (in this case about 20 mins.) the
|||| situation goes back to what it was when the car was first started.
||||
|||| Unfortuantely I was too close to the car in front to avoid hitting
|||| it. The car slowed enough that the front end went under his bumper
|||| (high bumper
|||| of a 70s Pontiac). Creamed the hood, radiator, etc. Speed only
|||| 15 to 20 MPH!
||||
|||| Anyway, about the brakes. Is that normal with ABS? This is our
|||| first car with ABS.
||||
|||| TIA,
||||
|||| Collin
||
|| Thanks, everyone.
|| I told the policeman about it and he didn't check the brakes to see
|| about brake failure. He simply ticketed me.
|| I'm going to have the insurance adjuster and the shop check the
|| brakes. (Yes, they will. They want to be certain of their
|| decisions.)
|| There was no shimmy or shake. No skid. Just inadequate slowing.
||
|| TIA,
||
|| Collin

Sounds like someone was doing their own brake work.



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Old 12 Nov 2004, 02:42 pm   #8 (permalink)
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"ofthedeep" <ofhtdeep@aquarium.com> wrote in message news:<gKTkd.142119$df2.81730@edtnps89>...
> Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> || "Geoff" <whitefamily1@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> || news:<419352a5$0$31138$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com. au>...
> ||| Hi,
> |||
> ||| This is a classic symptom of air in the brake system somewhere,
> ||| most likely in your ABS unit. This unit is very difficult to bleed
> ||| properly at home, and is best left to a tech with pressure bleeding
> ||| equipment.
> |||
> ||| That need to pump the brakes is not normal at all with any brake
> ||| system, and can be dangerous as you found.
> |||
> ||| Geoff
> |||
> ||| "Collin Brendemuehl" <dplotusnotes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ||| news:8761a511.0411100920.40592234@posting.google.c om...
> |||| I wrecked my wife's car last night.
> |||| I was driving at what was normally a safe distance, but ...
> |||| ... were the brakes bad, or is it my perception/problem.
> ||||
> |||| Normally when I start the car, the brake pedal depresses way down
> |||| but to a normal distance on the second stroke. So I always give it
> |||| two depressions before starting out.
> ||||
> |||| But after driving for a while (in this case about 20 mins.) the
> |||| situation goes back to what it was when the car was first started.
> ||||
> |||| Unfortuantely I was too close to the car in front to avoid hitting
> |||| it. The car slowed enough that the front end went under his bumper
> |||| (high bumper
> |||| of a 70s Pontiac). Creamed the hood, radiator, etc. Speed only
> |||| 15 to 20 MPH!
> ||||
> |||| Anyway, about the brakes. Is that normal with ABS? This is our
> |||| first car with ABS.
> ||||
> |||| TIA,
> ||||
> |||| Collin
> ||
> || Thanks, everyone.
> || I told the policeman about it and he didn't check the brakes to see
> || about brake failure. He simply ticketed me.
> || I'm going to have the insurance adjuster and the shop check the
> || brakes. (Yes, they will. They want to be certain of their
> || decisions.)
> || There was no shimmy or shake. No skid. Just inadequate slowing.
> ||
> || TIA,
> ||
> || Collin
>
> Sounds like someone was doing their own brake work.


Nope. Handn't touched it.
I do pads but nothing else.
But this was too-recent (April) an acquisition to have such need.

Collin
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Old 12 Nov 2004, 04:33 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
|| "ofthedeep" <ofhtdeep@aquarium.com> wrote in message
|| news:<gKTkd.142119$df2.81730@edtnps89>...
||| Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
||||| "Geoff" <whitefamily1@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
||||| news:<419352a5$0$31138$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com. au>...
|||||| Hi,
||||||
|||||| This is a classic symptom of air in the brake system somewhere,
|||||| most likely in your ABS unit. This unit is very difficult to
|||||| bleed properly at home, and is best left to a tech with pressure
|||||| bleeding equipment.
||||||
|||||| That need to pump the brakes is not normal at all with any brake
|||||| system, and can be dangerous as you found.
||||||
|||||| Geoff
||||||
|||||| "Collin Brendemuehl" <dplotusnotes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
|||||| news:8761a511.0411100920.40592234@posting.google.c om...
||||||| I wrecked my wife's car last night.
||||||| I was driving at what was normally a safe distance, but ...
||||||| ... were the brakes bad, or is it my perception/problem.
|||||||
||||||| Normally when I start the car, the brake pedal depresses way
||||||| down but to a normal distance on the second stroke. So I
||||||| always give it two depressions before starting out.
|||||||
||||||| But after driving for a while (in this case about 20 mins.) the
||||||| situation goes back to what it was when the car was first
||||||| started.
|||||||
||||||| Unfortuantely I was too close to the car in front to avoid
||||||| hitting it. The car slowed enough that the front end went under
||||||| his bumper (high bumper
||||||| of a 70s Pontiac). Creamed the hood, radiator, etc. Speed only
||||||| 15 to 20 MPH!
|||||||
||||||| Anyway, about the brakes. Is that normal with ABS? This is our
||||||| first car with ABS.
|||||||
||||||| TIA,
|||||||
||||||| Collin
|||||
||||| Thanks, everyone.
||||| I told the policeman about it and he didn't check the brakes to
||||| see about brake failure. He simply ticketed me.
||||| I'm going to have the insurance adjuster and the shop check the
||||| brakes. (Yes, they will. They want to be certain of their
||||| decisions.)
||||| There was no shimmy or shake. No skid. Just inadequate slowing.
|||||
||||| TIA,
|||||
||||| Collin
|||
||| Sounds like someone was doing their own brake work.
||
|| Nope. Handn't touched it.
|| I do pads but nothing else.
|| But this was too-recent (April) an acquisition to have such need.
||
|| Collin

Well, let us know what you find out as to cause.



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