[99 Camry, Manual] Tyres - the eternal question.

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Old 21 Nov 2004, 06:43 am   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone,

I think it's time to buy new tyres. To put it this way, if I get
pulled over I get done a beaut.

Anyways, given Australian conditions, which tyres are better value
for money? Currently I've got Bridgestones (I bought the car with them)
but they seem to wear fairly bad (i.e. quick), driveability on wet
roads is quite crap and they are/were noisy as hell. Tyre size
is 185/75R14 89H. Oh, and changing the rims is not an option, TYVM.

The problem is that I haven't been able to find an Australian site
with tyre reviews, let alone an up to date one, so this is the reason
why I'm posting in this september forum.

From what I have seen, the US models are different (they don't
even look the same, let alone have the same name), so I can't even
get a rough information with regards to how good is a certain tyre
or another. Plus the different weather conditions, different car
makers and all.

Since I have to fork money for 4 tires in one blow, I think you can
understand that I'm looking for some value in what I buy. I'd be looking
at something that has a bit more life in it given normal driving
conditions (no idiot-driving here), handles well in the wet and is
silent. Price is not much of a problem as long as I don't go nuts on
it - i.e $200/tyre is *way* too much in my opinion. It'd better start
cooking my dinner for the next couple of years for that price.

Thanks,

Ino!~

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off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.
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Old 22 Nov 2004, 02:50 am   #2 (permalink)
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I bought a set of Toyo Transas Teo in 205/65-R15 here in Oz, and they seem
good. Quiet enough and OK in the wet.

Geoff

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>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I think it's time to buy new tyres. To put it this way, if I get
> pulled over I get done a beaut.
>
> Anyways, given Australian conditions, which tyres are better value
> for money? Currently I've got Bridgestones (I bought the car with them)
> but they seem to wear fairly bad (i.e. quick), driveability on wet
> roads is quite crap and they are/were noisy as hell. Tyre size
> is 185/75R14 89H. Oh, and changing the rims is not an option, TYVM.
>
> The problem is that I haven't been able to find an Australian site
> with tyre reviews, let alone an up to date one, so this is the reason
> why I'm posting in this september forum.
>
> From what I have seen, the US models are different (they don't
> even look the same, let alone have the same name), so I can't even
> get a rough information with regards to how good is a certain tyre
> or another. Plus the different weather conditions, different car
> makers and all.
>
> Since I have to fork money for 4 tires in one blow, I think you can
> understand that I'm looking for some value in what I buy. I'd be looking
> at something that has a bit more life in it given normal driving
> conditions (no idiot-driving here), handles well in the wet and is
> silent. Price is not much of a problem as long as I don't go nuts on
> it - i.e $200/tyre is *way* too much in my opinion. It'd better start
> cooking my dinner for the next couple of years for that price.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ino!~
>
> --
> I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire
> off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
> near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
> like tears in rain. Time to die.



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Old 22 Nov 2004, 07:53 pm   #3 (permalink)
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I think the GTOodyear Regatta 2 is pretty good. Have it on my 93 camry
and it works well in the rain, good handling overall and it is quiet.
not to mention, the 75000 miles thread warranty.

Some people are saying that the yokohama avid touring and another
yokohama is pretty good. I have some reservations about them. check
out, www.tirerack.com and you will see what they are saying.

Goodyear assurance is also out. Thinking about buying those but they
are damn expensive (about $80-100/piece not including installation,
etc), not to mention that it is new and there ain't much reviews about
them.



Bogdan Iamandei <chilia@wziejxwoa.jap> wrote in message news:<41a08d74$0$24377$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com. au>...
> Hi everyone,
>
> I think it's time to buy new tyres. To put it this way, if I get
> pulled over I get done a beaut.
>
> Anyways, given Australian conditions, which tyres are better value
> for money? Currently I've got Bridgestones (I bought the car with them)
> but they seem to wear fairly bad (i.e. quick), driveability on wet
> roads is quite crap and they are/were noisy as hell. Tyre size
> is 185/75R14 89H. Oh, and changing the rims is not an option, TYVM.
>
> The problem is that I haven't been able to find an Australian site
> with tyre reviews, let alone an up to date one, so this is the reason
> why I'm posting in this september forum.
>
> From what I have seen, the US models are different (they don't
> even look the same, let alone have the same name), so I can't even
> get a rough information with regards to how good is a certain tyre
> or another. Plus the different weather conditions, different car
> makers and all.
>
> Since I have to fork money for 4 tires in one blow, I think you can
> understand that I'm looking for some value in what I buy. I'd be looking
> at something that has a bit more life in it given normal driving
> conditions (no idiot-driving here), handles well in the wet and is
> silent. Price is not much of a problem as long as I don't go nuts on
> it - i.e $200/tyre is *way* too much in my opinion. It'd better start
> cooking my dinner for the next couple of years for that price.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ino!~

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Old 22 Nov 2004, 10:11 pm   #4 (permalink)
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:43:32 +0000, Bogdan Iamandei wrote:

>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I think it's time to buy new tyres. To put it this way, if I get
> pulled over I get done a beaut.
>
> Anyways, given Australian conditions, which tyres are better value
> for money? Currently I've got Bridgestones (I bought the car with them)
> but they seem to wear fairly bad (i.e. quick), driveability on wet
> roads is quite crap and they are/were noisy as hell. Tyre size
> is 185/75R14 89H. Oh, and changing the rims is not an option, TYVM.
>
> The problem is that I haven't been able to find an Australian site
> with tyre reviews, let alone an up to date one, so this is the reason
> why I'm posting in this september forum.
>
> From what I have seen, the US models are different (they don't
> even look the same, let alone have the same name), so I can't even
> get a rough information with regards to how good is a certain tyre
> or another. Plus the different weather conditions, different car
> makers and all.
>
> Since I have to fork money for 4 tires in one blow, I think you can
> understand that I'm looking for some value in what I buy. I'd be looking
> at something that has a bit more life in it given normal driving
> conditions (no idiot-driving here), handles well in the wet and is
> silent. Price is not much of a problem as long as I don't go nuts on
> it - i.e $200/tyre is *way* too much in my opinion. It'd better start
> cooking my dinner for the next couple of years for that price.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ino!~



I don't know what you get for tires in Aus, but the Bridgestones I had on
my last brand new Toyota were very good, also discontinued a long while
back!

My next Toy was new enough that it had the OEM's on it, and they were a
Dunlop SP variant. Terrible in the snow, but since I have an '85 Trueno
(that's correct for the pop-up headlight version, right?) I wasn't
concerned too much about winter. Extremely good in the rain, however. We
had near flood conditions (approx 3 inches per hour!) and I felt like I
was driving on dry roads! Quiet and grippy. Oh, and go to a 185/60-14, you
will notice a difference. I have posted a number of tire size calculators
in the last couple days, so you can see what effect a different size tire
will have on your speedo (not much, you're changing the sidewall
height/circumference only a little; it will make your speedo off by only
tenths of a MPH or KPH.
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Old 23 Nov 2004, 04:42 am   #5 (permalink)
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On 2004-11-23, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>[...]
> I don't know what you get for tires in Aus, but the Bridgestones I had on
> my last brand new Toyota were very good, also discontinued a long while
> back!


Currently I've got B249s on. They seem quite mediocre tyres. I've done
about 27,000Km so far and they're bald as. Plus that the grip in rain is
quite crap too even when they were newer/better.

> My next Toy was new enough that it had the OEM's on it, and they were a
> Dunlop SP variant. Terrible in the snow, but since I have an '85 Trueno
> (that's correct for the pop-up headlight version, right?) I wasn't
> concerned too much about winter. Extremely good in the rain, however. We
> had near flood conditions (approx 3 inches per hour!) and I felt like I
> was driving on dry roads! Quiet and grippy. Oh, and go to a 185/60-14, you
> will notice a difference.


Eh... a difference of about 9% in speedo indications, eh?

> I have posted a number of tire size calculators
> in the last couple days, so you can see what effect a different size tire
> will have on your speedo (not much, you're changing the sidewall
> height/circumference only a little; it will make your speedo off by only
> tenths of a MPH or KPH.


Oooh, SHINY! that's a keeper! Nice calculators. Now that kind of
things *really* make your choosing job so much easier.
Took me a while to find your posts - but then again, Google's my
friend.

Right. So assuming that I am going to stay within the 3% tolerance
I think I've settled myself on Toyo Proxes H4 (205/60-R14 88H)
as it would be one of the very few tyres that fits a 5.5 rim. That
is, a tyre with dimensions different of 185/75-R14

http://www.toyo.com.au/Proxes%20H4%20page.htm

Got a few tyre dealers saying that they're quite allright tyres.
If anyone knows any better, by all means, do speak up.

Ino!~

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I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire
off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.
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Old 24 Nov 2004, 12:16 am   #6 (permalink)
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:42:32 +0000, Bogdan Iamandei wrote:

> On 2004-11-23, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>>[...]
>> I don't know what you get for tires in Aus, but the Bridgestones I had on
>> my last brand new Toyota were very good, also discontinued a long while
>> back!

>
> Currently I've got B249s on. They seem quite mediocre tyres. I've done
> about 27,000Km so far and they're bald as. Plus that the grip in rain is
> quite crap too even when they were newer/better.
>
>> My next Toy was new enough that it had the OEM's on it, and they were a
>> Dunlop SP variant. Terrible in the snow, but since I have an '85 Trueno
>> (that's correct for the pop-up headlight version, right?) I wasn't
>> concerned too much about winter. Extremely good in the rain, however. We
>> had near flood conditions (approx 3 inches per hour!) and I felt like I
>> was driving on dry roads! Quiet and grippy. Oh, and go to a 185/60-14, you
>> will notice a difference.

>
> Eh... a difference of about 9% in speedo indications, eh?


Hmmm...shouldn't be that much!

>
>> I have posted a number of tire size calculators
>> in the last couple days, so you can see what effect a different size tire
>> will have on your speedo (not much, you're changing the sidewall
>> height/circumference only a little; it will make your speedo off by only
>> tenths of a MPH or KPH.

>
> Oooh, SHINY! that's a keeper! Nice calculators. Now that kind of
> things *really* make your choosing job so much easier.
> Took me a while to find your posts - but then again, Google's my
> friend.
>
> Right. So assuming that I am going to stay within the 3% tolerance
> I think I've settled myself on Toyo Proxes H4 (205/60-R14 88H)
> as it would be one of the very few tyres that fits a 5.5 rim. That
> is, a tyre with dimensions different of 185/75-R14
>
> http://www.toyo.com.au/Proxes%20H4%20page.htm
>
> Got a few tyre dealers saying that they're quite allright tyres.
> If anyone knows any better, by all means, do speak up.
>
> Ino!~


Proxes is a decent tire, but the size is a bit shocking! Going from a 185
to a 205? And it will fit on a 5.5 rim? (Interesting...VERY Intereseting!)

I was going to buy a set of Celica GTS rims for my Corolla GTS, same bolt
pattern and hub ring, but it was shod with 225/60-15's and just wouldn't
clear the front frame when turning. Should have just bought the damn rims
anyway! I could have put a 195/45-14 on them and had some AWESOME handling
(need a 6.5 to 7,5 for the 195's)
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Old 24 Nov 2004, 05:51 am   #7 (permalink)
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On 2004-11-24, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:42:32 +0000, Bogdan Iamandei wrote:
>
>> On 2004-11-23, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>>>[...]
>>> I don't know what you get for tires in Aus, but the Bridgestones I had on
>>> my last brand new Toyota were very good, also discontinued a long while
>>> back!

>>
>> Currently I've got B249s on. They seem quite mediocre tyres. I've done
>> about 27,000Km so far and they're bald as. Plus that the grip in rain is
>> quite crap too even when they were newer/better.
>>
>>> My next Toy was new enough that it had the OEM's on it, and they were a
>>> Dunlop SP variant. Terrible in the snow, but since I have an '85 Trueno
>>> (that's correct for the pop-up headlight version, right?) I wasn't
>>> concerned too much about winter. Extremely good in the rain, however. We
>>> had near flood conditions (approx 3 inches per hour!) and I felt like I
>>> was driving on dry roads! Quiet and grippy. Oh, and go to a 185/60-14, you
>>> will notice a difference.

>>
>> Eh... a difference of about 9% in speedo indications, eh?

>
> Hmmm...shouldn't be that much!


Well - according to the 1010 calculator, it is.
>[...]
> Proxes is a decent tire, but the size is a bit shocking! Going from a 185
> to a 205? And it will fit on a 5.5 rim? (Interesting...VERY Intereseting!)


Well - it will - check the PDF on that page. It says "Approved rim codes"
or something to that effect. But anyways, the size difference is too big
so I just gave up on them. I made a slight miscalculation when I looked
at them and that's why I thought I was going to end up with them.

Anyways, right now I'm sticking to Toyo 330 195/70-R14. They're fairly
close to what I have now on, and all at just under 1% thow-off on the
speedo and odometer. Will see how they go. Hopefully I'll be getting
a bit more than what I got off these crappy Bridgestones.

> I was going to buy a set of Celica GTS rims for my Corolla GTS, same bolt
> pattern and hub ring, but it was shod with 225/60-15's and just wouldn't
> clear the front frame when turning. Should have just bought the damn rims
> anyway! I could have put a 195/45-14 on them and had some AWESOME handling
> (need a 6.5 to 7,5 for the 195's)


Heh. I tried to get 5 rims for free off the tyre guy. He gave me a 10
for trying, but no rims!

Ino!~

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I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire
off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
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Old 24 Nov 2004, 07:21 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:51:44 +0000, Bogdan Iamandei wrote:

> On 2004-11-24, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:42:32 +0000, Bogdan Iamandei wrote:
>>
>>> On 2004-11-23, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>>>>[...]
>>>> I don't know what you get for tires in Aus, but the Bridgestones I had on
>>>> my last brand new Toyota were very good, also discontinued a long while
>>>> back!
>>>
>>> Currently I've got B249s on. They seem quite mediocre tyres. I've done
>>> about 27,000Km so far and they're bald as. Plus that the grip in rain is
>>> quite crap too even when they were newer/better.
>>>
>>>> My next Toy was new enough that it had the OEM's on it, and they were a
>>>> Dunlop SP variant. Terrible in the snow, but since I have an '85 Trueno
>>>> (that's correct for the pop-up headlight version, right?) I wasn't
>>>> concerned too much about winter. Extremely good in the rain, however. We
>>>> had near flood conditions (approx 3 inches per hour!) and I felt like I
>>>> was driving on dry roads! Quiet and grippy. Oh, and go to a 185/60-14, you
>>>> will notice a difference.
>>>
>>> Eh... a difference of about 9% in speedo indications, eh?

>>
>> Hmmm...shouldn't be that much!

>
> Well - according to the 1010 calculator, it is.
>>[...]
>> Proxes is a decent tire, but the size is a bit shocking! Going from a 185
>> to a 205? And it will fit on a 5.5 rim? (Interesting...VERY Intereseting!)

>
> Well - it will - check the PDF on that page. It says "Approved rim codes"
> or something to that effect. But anyways, the size difference is too big
> so I just gave up on them. I made a slight miscalculation when I looked
> at them and that's why I thought I was going to end up with them.
>
> Anyways, right now I'm sticking to Toyo 330 195/70-R14. They're fairly
> close to what I have now on, and all at just under 1% thow-off on the
> speedo and odometer. Will see how they go. Hopefully I'll be getting
> a bit more than what I got off these crappy Bridgestones.


Interesting. Doesn't seem to be available in the US, but that's not
surprising. There are a lot of models not for US sale. I have seen 2 BFG
180/55-13's in my boss' 'junkyard', and they are available in other
countries, but not here. Wonder how he got them?

My experience with Toyo has been hit and miss. I have had a decent set on
a Honda, a decent set on a Toyota, and 2 really NOT so decent sets on
Toyotas. The 2 not so decents were OEM, the 1 decent was OEN, and the
Honda's were aftermarket.

>
>> I was going to buy a set of Celica GTS rims for my Corolla GTS, same bolt
>> pattern and hub ring, but it was shod with 225/60-15's and just wouldn't
>> clear the front frame when turning. Should have just bought the damn rims
>> anyway! I could have put a 195/45-14 on them and had some AWESOME handling
>> (need a 6.5 to 7,5 for the 195's)

>
> Heh. I tried to get 5 rims for free off the tyre guy. He gave me a 10
> for trying, but no rims!
>
> Ino!~


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Old 25 Nov 2004, 11:51 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Hi,

those tyres sound a bit small for a Camry.
Been using Bridgestone Donuts GR50 on mine for last 2 years, get about 70k
out of them, substantially better than the RE92 etc which came as standard.

Not sure they make them that size though.

Think they around $110 now, not the best tyre but for the money they are
very good - also v good in the wet.

rgds

Peter



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>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I think it's time to buy new tyres. To put it this way, if I get
> pulled over I get done a beaut.
>
> Anyways, given Australian conditions, which tyres are better value
> for money? Currently I've got Bridgestones (I bought the car with them)
> but they seem to wear fairly bad (i.e. quick), driveability on wet
> roads is quite crap and they are/were noisy as hell. Tyre size
> is 185/75R14 89H. Oh, and changing the rims is not an option, TYVM.
>
> The problem is that I haven't been able to find an Australian site
> with tyre reviews, let alone an up to date one, so this is the reason
> why I'm posting in this september forum.
>
> From what I have seen, the US models are different (they don't
> even look the same, let alone have the same name), so I can't even
> get a rough information with regards to how good is a certain tyre
> or another. Plus the different weather conditions, different car
> makers and all.
>
> Since I have to fork money for 4 tires in one blow, I think you can
> understand that I'm looking for some value in what I buy. I'd be looking
> at something that has a bit more life in it given normal driving
> conditions (no idiot-driving here), handles well in the wet and is
> silent. Price is not much of a problem as long as I don't go nuts on
> it - i.e $200/tyre is *way* too much in my opinion. It'd better start
> cooking my dinner for the next couple of years for that price.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ino!~
>
> --
> I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire
> off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
> near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
> like tears in rain. Time to die.



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