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Old 27 Nov 2004, 01:54 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default 95 fuel filter help

trying to replace the fuel filter, I was able to initially free the bottom
compression nut, but it got to a point where it's about halfway out and it
really won't turn anymore...what's going on? It should just unscrew,
right? Is there thread sealant on that one? Bought a flare nut wrench for
this one (14mm) and it stripped it anyway...Any advice for gripping it
now? frustrated in PA.

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Old 27 Nov 2004, 10:35 pm   #2 (permalink)
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It should be able to loosen with finger after the first turn.
may need to use vice grips or mini pipe wrench.
wonder if it was crossthreaded on last filter change.

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Old 28 Nov 2004, 04:12 am   #3 (permalink)
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"camry-keeper" <pwichert@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<13c7d62911384bf5c30296df91919deb@localhost.t alkaboutautos.com>...
> trying to replace the fuel filter, I was able to initially free the bottom
> compression nut, but it got to a point where it's about halfway out and it
> really won't turn anymore...what's going on? It should just unscrew,
> right? Is there thread sealant on that one? Bought a flare nut wrench for
> this one (14mm) and it stripped it anyway...Any advice for gripping it
> now? frustrated in PA.


I've had trouble with these. I think toyota or whoever makes
these have an uneven thread on them. But I usually dont have problem
removing them (although removing them is also a pain in the ass )
Sometime the filter itself has a place for a wrench. I usually use 2
wrenches one to hold the filter and the other to turn the nut. Also I
use a crowfoot wrench sometimes with an extension if the flarenut
wrench doesnt work.
But my main problem with these is when I hand start the nuts the
uneven thread makes it difficult to tell wether I started it correctly
or not. Maybe you could have someone come from the top and grab
filter with crowfoot and extension and turn filter while you hold nut
from bottom with a locking pliers. But if you stripped nut you might
see if other end of steel line can be disconnected so you could buy
new section from dealer, since you might not be able to tighten nut on
new filter.
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Old 28 Nov 2004, 06:45 am   #4 (permalink)
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"camry-keeper" <pwichert@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<13c7d62911384bf5c30296df91919deb@localhost.t alkaboutautos.com>...
> trying to replace the fuel filter, I was able to initially free the bottom
> compression nut, but it got to a point where it's about halfway out and it
> really won't turn anymore...what's going on? It should just unscrew,
> right? Is there thread sealant on that one? Bought a flare nut wrench for
> this one (14mm) and it stripped it anyway...Any advice for gripping it
> now? frustrated in PA.


Many complaints about removing that nut.
Kroil rust penetrant is a good start. Let it soak in for a while.
Hot ticket to removing the lower fitting is to use a crow foot flare
wrench.
Seems the standard flare nut wrenches can flex during use, (some
people routinely use vice grip pliers over the flare nut wrench - but
there's not much room for this here) but the crow foot type that goes
on a ratchet handle extension is thicker.
Had been concerned, but mine spun right off. (Found the top nut was
much tighter)
There is no reason why it would hang part way out.
The threads are dry, with a tapered end - compression fit. Once
released, should come all the way out without binding.
You could try smoothing the damaged edges with a dremel type tool or
file and then using the crow foot wrench.
Chances are you'll have to replace that section of fuel line. Not
uncommon so dealer should be familiar with that part.
Actually, sorry, don't have a clue what would be binding - once
initially loosened, should come right out.
Calm down. Have another look.
You're installing a new fuel filter anyway - and now you're going to
need a new fuel line also, so (as long as it is dry of fuel to prevent
sparks creating a fire) you could just cut out the old line and
replace both with new.
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Old 28 Nov 2004, 06:54 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: 95 fuel filter help

Thanks for all the advice, fellows, I really appreciate it. Well, weekend
mechanic that I am, I was able to remove more items (air cleaner assy,
charcoal cannister) to get more leverage room, grasped that sorry excuse
for a nut with my big channel-locks and literally with all my strength (in
that tight space) was able to turn the nut back into the old filter --
crossthreading seems too delicate a term, it was really wedged in there.
It held gas pressure but, I'll schedule a session with my Toyota service
man and let him fix me up with a new filter and line if needed. I have to
draw the line somewhere: All I need to make an amateur mistake and end up
on the shadow traffic as a "car fire". I'll stick to mechanical things,
electrical things, fluids, and maintenance.

For those attempting this I would listen to the guys who helped me above.
My experience indicated: Maybe changing at 60k intervals would alleviate my
problem (140k of deterioration), but definitely use penetrating oil (my top
banjo bolt unsealed and came out fine-with 18" breaker bar!), I worked from
above with a handy mirror (preferable to gas dripping on my face), leverage
with short wrenches and limited space was a real problem, removing the air
assy and cannister was easy and gave more room, I like the idea of vice
grips on the flare wrench--will use that one in the future, but no room on
this job.....actually nix all that: take it to the dealer, or Dan.

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Old 29 Nov 2004, 11:21 pm   #6 (permalink)
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I had a problem with one of those on a 97 Camry, 90k miles on it. Somebody
had previously tried to unscrew it and squashed the nut a little. I got it
off but it was tight all the way. It wouldn't screw all the way back in on
the new filter, so I cut off the fuel line on both sides and used an
standard inline filter that fit perfectly. The car actually had a noticeable
improvement in acceleration but I don't know whether the old filter was so
clogged or the generic inline filter allowed more fuel to pass thru. I
thought I was going to take it to a dealer too, but it was a weekend.

I've changed probably 5 or so of these fuel filters on all sorts of toyotas,
same location, pretty much the same filter. Only had a problem with the
first one. If you don't use a flare wrench, don't try it.


"camry-keeper" <pwichert@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5d20e92058c0cf85f957d103688e74af@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> Thanks for all the advice, fellows, I really appreciate it. Well, weekend
> mechanic that I am, I was able to remove more items (air cleaner assy,
> charcoal cannister) to get more leverage room, grasped that sorry excuse
> for a nut with my big channel-locks and literally with all my strength (in
> that tight space) was able to turn the nut back into the old filter --
> crossthreading seems too delicate a term, it was really wedged in there.
> It held gas pressure but, I'll schedule a session with my Toyota service
> man and let him fix me up with a new filter and line if needed. I have to
> draw the line somewhere: All I need to make an amateur mistake and end up
> on the shadow traffic as a "car fire". I'll stick to mechanical things,
> electrical things, fluids, and maintenance.
>
> For those attempting this I would listen to the guys who helped me above.
> My experience indicated: Maybe changing at 60k intervals would alleviate

my
> problem (140k of deterioration), but definitely use penetrating oil (my

top
> banjo bolt unsealed and came out fine-with 18" breaker bar!), I worked

from
> above with a handy mirror (preferable to gas dripping on my face),

leverage
> with short wrenches and limited space was a real problem, removing the air
> assy and cannister was easy and gave more room, I like the idea of vice
> grips on the flare wrench--will use that one in the future, but no room on
> this job.....actually nix all that: take it to the dealer, or Dan.
>



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