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Old 06 Dec 2004, 05:14 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Are camry's made in both the USA and Asia? If so, any truth that the Asian
built are much better? Any way to know (ie. Veh ID #) where built? Thanks,
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Old 06 Dec 2004, 06:36 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:14:13 +0000, ront2 wrote:

> Are camry's made in both the USA and Asia? If so, any truth that the Asian
> built are much better? Any way to know (ie. Veh ID #) where built? Thanks,
> Ron


Well, I like my Japanese cars made in JAPAN, thank you!

I had a 'problem' with my '85 GTS: the tire installer didn't torque the
lugnuts. So, when the WHEEL FELL OFF, and the car required repairs, the
tire dealer rented me a car; a '98 Camry made in USA. On the third time
opening the window, it wouldn't close (power windows). There were also a
lot of squeaks in it. However, my '88 Honda was made in Ohio, and gave me
very few problems (hardly any to speak of.)

How to tell: a Japanese manufactured car will begin the VIN with the
letter J. One made in the US will be a 1,4 or 5 (5 seems to be on the
Tundras). 2 is Canada, and 3 is Mexico. Also, I guess a 1 is all (or
mostly) US parts, 4 is manufactured with mostly imported parts. Don't know
what the 5 means. I'm crossing this to a.a.toyota; perhaps someone there
knows...

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Old 07 Dec 2004, 10:57 am   #3 (permalink)
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"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:14:13 +0000, ront2 wrote:
>
>> Are camry's made in both the USA and Asia? If so, any truth that the
>> Asian
>> built are much better? Any way to know (ie. Veh ID #) where built?
>> Thanks,
>> Ron

>
> Well, I like my Japanese cars made in JAPAN, thank you!
>
> I had a 'problem' with my '85 GTS: the tire installer didn't torque the
> lugnuts. So, when the WHEEL FELL OFF, and the car required repairs, the
> tire dealer rented me a car; a '98 Camry made in USA. On the third time
> opening the window, it wouldn't close (power windows). There were also a
> lot of squeaks in it. However, my '88 Honda was made in Ohio, and gave me
> very few problems (hardly any to speak of.)
>
> How to tell: a Japanese manufactured car will begin the VIN with the
> letter J. One made in the US will be a 1,4 or 5 (5 seems to be on the
> Tundras). 2 is Canada, and 3 is Mexico. Also, I guess a 1 is all (or
> mostly) US parts, 4 is manufactured with mostly imported parts. Don't know
> what the 5 means. I'm crossing this to a.a.toyota; perhaps someone there
> knows...


Copied & pasted from TMS USA's web site (search faq's "VIN decoder")
The Vehicle Identification Number, commonly referred to as the VIN, is a
sequence of 17 letters and numbers that is uniquely assigned for each
vehicle. The VIN can usually be found on the driver's side dashboard near or
under the bottom portion of the windshield. It can also be found on the
certification label found on the driver's doorjamb on most vehicles.

The VIN provides some information about the vehicle. It is typically
composed of four sections.

The first three digits are called the World Manufacturer Identifier (WMI).
Toyota VINs starting with "1", "4", or "5" represent vehicles assembled in
the United States and VINs beginning with "2" indicate vehicles assembled in
Canada. Vehicles with VINs that start with "J" were produced in Japan.

The next five digits (4 through 8) are the Vehicle Description Section
(VDS). These digits provide information on the vehicle model, body style,
and engine type.

The ninth digit is a check digit used internally. The 10th digit indicates
the model year; letters (except "O" and "Z") were used for vehicles up to
the 2000 model year while numbers are used for 2001 and newer vehicles. For
example, "X" means the 1999 model year, "Y" is the 2000 model year and "1"
represents the 2001 model year. The 11th digit is the plant code.

Finally, digits 12 - 17 are the unique serial number.

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Old 07 Dec 2004, 12:33 pm   #4 (permalink)
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In the case of vehicles 'assembled' in the US, a '1' indicates
the vehicles is assembled of at least 70% American parts A '4'
indicates less than 70% American part are used but more than
40%. A '5' barely makes the grade as assembled in America
because it is assembled of less than 40% of American parts which
means ALL of the part could be imported. Camry, the number one
selling CAR in America, is either a 'J' made in Japan or a '5'
The number one selling vehicle in the US, the Ford F150, is a '1'
primarily, and the number two selling vehicle the Chevy Silverado
is a '1' primary, The number three selling vehicle the Dodge Ram
is a '1' primarily. Ford does assemble a few trucks in Canada
(2) but generally for the Canadian market. GM and Dodge assemble
trucks in Mexico but again generally for the export market
although some are sold in the US, particularly Dodge trucks
assembled in Mexico (3). In all cases of Canadian and Mexican
assembly, they are assembled of at least 70% American parts
because of the UAW union contract pertaining to vehicles sold in
the US by domestic manufactures that have union contracts. The
same union rule of 70% applies to to the VIBE and Tacoma built in
the GM/Toyota plant in California


mike hunt



Ray O wrote:
>
> "HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:kW6td.3109$MS6.2502@trndny01...
> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:14:13 +0000, ront2 wrote:
> >
> >> Are camry's made in both the USA and Asia? If so, any truth that the
> >> Asian
> >> built are much better? Any way to know (ie. Veh ID #) where built?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ron

> >
> > Well, I like my Japanese cars made in JAPAN, thank you!
> >
> > I had a 'problem' with my '85 GTS: the tire installer didn't torque the
> > lugnuts. So, when the WHEEL FELL OFF, and the car required repairs, the
> > tire dealer rented me a car; a '98 Camry made in USA. On the third time
> > opening the window, it wouldn't close (power windows). There were also a
> > lot of squeaks in it. However, my '88 Honda was made in Ohio, and gave me
> > very few problems (hardly any to speak of.)
> >
> > How to tell: a Japanese manufactured car will begin the VIN with the
> > letter J. One made in the US will be a 1,4 or 5 (5 seems to be on the
> > Tundras). 2 is Canada, and 3 is Mexico. Also, I guess a 1 is all (or
> > mostly) US parts, 4 is manufactured with mostly imported parts. Don't know
> > what the 5 means. I'm crossing this to a.a.toyota; perhaps someone there
> > knows...

>
> Copied & pasted from TMS USA's web site (search faq's "VIN decoder")
> The Vehicle Identification Number, commonly referred to as the VIN, is a
> sequence of 17 letters and numbers that is uniquely assigned for each
> vehicle. The VIN can usually be found on the driver's side dashboard near or
> under the bottom portion of the windshield. It can also be found on the
> certification label found on the driver's doorjamb on most vehicles.
>
> The VIN provides some information about the vehicle. It is typically
> composed of four sections.
>
> The first three digits are called the World Manufacturer Identifier (WMI).
> Toyota VINs starting with "1", "4", or "5" represent vehicles assembled in
> the United States and VINs beginning with "2" indicate vehicles assembled in
> Canada. Vehicles with VINs that start with "J" were produced in Japan.
>
> The next five digits (4 through 8) are the Vehicle Description Section
> (VDS). These digits provide information on the vehicle model, body style,
> and engine type.
>
> The ninth digit is a check digit used internally. The 10th digit indicates
> the model year; letters (except "O" and "Z") were used for vehicles up to
> the 2000 model year while numbers are used for 2001 and newer vehicles. For
> example, "X" means the 1999 model year, "Y" is the 2000 model year and "1"
> represents the 2001 model year. The 11th digit is the plant code.
>
> Finally, digits 12 - 17 are the unique serial number.
>
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Old 07 Dec 2004, 12:46 pm   #5 (permalink)
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MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:
> In the case of vehicles 'assembled' in the US, a '1' indicates
> the vehicles is assembled of at least 70% American parts A '4'
> indicates less than 70% American part are used but more than
> 40%. A '5' barely makes the grade as assembled in America
> because it is assembled of less than 40% of American parts which
> means ALL of the part could be imported. Camry, the number one
> selling CAR in America, is either a 'J' made in Japan or a '5'
> The number one selling vehicle in the US, the Ford F150, is a '1'
> primarily, and the number two selling vehicle the Chevy Silverado
> is a '1' primary, The number three selling vehicle the Dodge Ram
> is a '1' primarily. Ford does assemble a few trucks in Canada
> (2) but generally for the Canadian market. GM and Dodge assemble
> trucks in Mexico but again generally for the export market
> although some are sold in the US, particularly Dodge trucks
> assembled in Mexico (3). In all cases of Canadian and Mexican
> assembly, they are assembled of at least 70% American parts
> because of the UAW union contract pertaining to vehicles sold in
> the US by domestic manufactures that have union contracts. The
> same union rule of 70% applies to to the VIBE and Tacoma built in
> the GM/Toyota plant in California
>
>
> mike hunt


Including NUMMI built Corolla. :-)

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Old 07 Dec 2004, 05:20 pm   #6 (permalink)
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We were speaking of those vehicles one can currently purchase new
from the manufacture. The unionized NUMMI plant currently builds
only the Tacoma and the VIBE, the Corolla is assembled in Canada


Philip wrote:
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> MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:
> > In the case of vehicles 'assembled' in the US, a '1' indicates
> > the vehicles is assembled of at least 70% American parts A '4'
> > indicates less than 70% American part are used but more than
> > 40%. A '5' barely makes the grade as assembled in America
> > because it is assembled of less than 40% of American parts which
> > means ALL of the part could be imported. Camry, the number one
> > selling CAR in America, is either a 'J' made in Japan or a '5'
> > The number one selling vehicle in the US, the Ford F150, is a '1'
> > primarily, and the number two selling vehicle the Chevy Silverado
> > is a '1' primary, The number three selling vehicle the Dodge Ram
> > is a '1' primarily. Ford does assemble a few trucks in Canada
> > (2) but generally for the Canadian market. GM and Dodge assemble
> > trucks in Mexico but again generally for the export market
> > although some are sold in the US, particularly Dodge trucks
> > assembled in Mexico (3). In all cases of Canadian and Mexican
> > assembly, they are assembled of at least 70% American parts
> > because of the UAW union contract pertaining to vehicles sold in
> > the US by domestic manufactures that have union contracts. The
> > same union rule of 70% applies to to the VIBE and Tacoma built in
> > the GM/Toyota plant in California
> >
> >
> > mike hunt

>
> Including NUMMI built Corolla. :-)
>
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> - Philip
> In observance of Pear Harbor, feel free to
> Zero in on a Mitsubishi driver and cut him off!

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Old 07 Dec 2004, 08:52 pm   #7 (permalink)
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<MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> In the case of vehicles 'assembled' in the US, a '1' indicates
> the vehicles is assembled of at least 70% American parts A '4'
> indicates less than 70% American part are used but more than
> 40%. A '5' barely makes the grade as assembled in America
> because it is assembled of less than 40% of American parts which
> means ALL of the part could be imported. Camry, the number one
> selling CAR in America, is either a 'J' made in Japan or a '5'

<snip>
> mike hunt


I've never seen a Camry with a VIN starting with a "5". I've seen "4"s and
a few "J"s.

As far as quality goes: I've had a couple of US made Camrys (92 and 01 and
02), and never had any mechanical problems with them. The only problems
were the following:

92: One minor interior plastic trim assembly issue

01: Overall chap-looking interior with misaligned dash plastic components
and a stereo that stuck out noticeably on one side; I was so disgusted with
it I traded it in for a ...

02: Great interior, but it had a couple of annoying rattles or squeaks
(sunroof rattle, HVAC fan speed switch module squeak, and driver's door
window track rattle). Oh, and the factory installed the wrong stereo -- the
window sticker said it had a CD changer, but they installed the single-disk
CD player instead. (Don't get me started on how badly the idiots at the
dealer scratched and gouged the dash trim around the radio and the HVAC
dials when the replaced the stereo, and how they forgot to tighten the bolt
in the A pillar that appears to secure part of the curtain airbag after
removing the headliner to remove the sunroof rattle...). Overall, a decent
car, with some minor cosmetic quibbles.

On the other hand, the two Japanese made Toyotas I've had were impeccable.

-Doug in VA


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Old 08 Dec 2004, 10:50 am   #8 (permalink)
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You probably have never seen a person being struck by
lighting either.


mike hunt



Doug in VA wrote:
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> <MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:41B5F771.8E3DAB52@mailcity.com...
> > In the case of vehicles 'assembled' in the US, a '1' indicates
> > the vehicles is assembled of at least 70% American parts A '4'
> > indicates less than 70% American part are used but more than
> > 40%. A '5' barely makes the grade as assembled in America
> > because it is assembled of less than 40% of American parts which
> > means ALL of the part could be imported. Camry, the number one
> > selling CAR in America, is either a 'J' made in Japan or a '5'

> <snip>
> > mike hunt

>
> I've never seen a Camry with a VIN starting with a "5". I've seen "4"s and
> a few "J"s.
>

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