2004 Camry slides off road in ice with snow tires :|

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Old 16 Dec 2004, 03:46 pm   #1 (permalink)
RTL
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Default 2004 Camry slides off road in ice with snow tires :|

Hello again,

Since you guys/gals had such good information last time, I am at wit's end
trying to figure out this problem. I have Yokohama Iceguard tires on the
front...and Blizzaks (one season old) on the back. Firestone said this was
ok--Toyota said not. So today, I had the same Iceguards put on the back.

The problem is that in a little bit of ice last night going around turns the
car wanted to slide. In fact, I slid off the road (thank god the other
driver saw me). BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me, with the abililty to go
over 30mph. Is this something that is common? or am I plauged? Toyota last
Friday said they found nothing wrong...they did an alignment and added some
air to the tires.

I'm nervous about this car now....I bought a Toyota thinking I woudn't have
the same problems as my Chevy. It seems like I've spent more on this car
than the Chevy :| and that was dying...

Any advice is greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Rich
MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP


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Old 16 Dec 2004, 05:29 pm   #2 (permalink)
Glenn
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Default Re: 2004 Camry slides off road in ice with snow tires :|

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:46:33 GMT, "RTL"
<block-spam.rlemmermann@nospam.abx.techarts.com> wrote:

>Hello again,
>
>Since you guys/gals had such good information last time, I am at wit's end
>trying to figure out this problem. I have Yokohama Iceguard tires on the
>front...and Blizzaks (one season old) on the back. Firestone said this was
>ok--Toyota said not. So today, I had the same Iceguards put on the back.
>
>The problem is that in a little bit of ice last night going around turns the
>car wanted to slide. In fact, I slid off the road (thank god the other
>driver saw me). BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me, with the abililty to go
>over 30mph. Is this something that is common? or am I plauged? Toyota last
>Friday said they found nothing wrong...they did an alignment and added some
>air to the tires.
>
>I'm nervous about this car now....I bought a Toyota thinking I woudn't have
>the same problems as my Chevy. It seems like I've spent more on this car
>than the Chevy :| and that was dying...
>
>Any advice is greatly appreciated!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rich
>MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP
>

I've never had snow tires, but my understanding is that they
don't help with ice, especially ice near the freezing point. If
you find it difficult to control skids, I suggest chains.
Depending on the frequency of icy conditions, either the quick
attach or the more permanent conventional chains, see you
friendly auto store.

Glenn
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Old 16 Dec 2004, 06:07 pm   #3 (permalink)
Wolfgang
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Ya should have got them with studs for ice. Probably too late now if the
holes get dirt in them its difficult to add the studs.

"RTL" <block-spam.rlemmermann@nospam.abx.techarts.com> wrote in message
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> Hello again,
>
> Since you guys/gals had such good information last time, I am at wit's end
> trying to figure out this problem. I have Yokohama Iceguard tires on the
> front...and Blizzaks (one season old) on the back. Firestone said this was
> ok--Toyota said not. So today, I had the same Iceguards put on the back.
>
> The problem is that in a little bit of ice last night going around turns
> the
> car wanted to slide. In fact, I slid off the road (thank god the other
> driver saw me). BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me, with the abililty to
> go
> over 30mph. Is this something that is common? or am I plauged? Toyota
> last
> Friday said they found nothing wrong...they did an alignment and added
> some
> air to the tires.
>
> I'm nervous about this car now....I bought a Toyota thinking I woudn't
> have
> the same problems as my Chevy. It seems like I've spent more on this car
> than the Chevy :| and that was dying...
>
> Any advice is greatly appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich
> MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP
>
>



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Old 16 Dec 2004, 06:21 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: 2004 Camry slides off road in ice with snow tires :|

some divers are good some are crap

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Old 16 Dec 2004, 10:04 pm   #5 (permalink)
Car Guy
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Default Re: 2004 Camry slides off road in ice with snow tires :|

I have nokian tires and no issues. make sure the air pressure is 30 psi and
you are fine.


"RTL" <block-spam.rlemmermann@nospam.abx.techarts.com> wrote in message
news:Zmnwd.4302$DQ3.1852@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Hello again,
>
> Since you guys/gals had such good information last time, I am at wit's end
> trying to figure out this problem. I have Yokohama Iceguard tires on the
> front...and Blizzaks (one season old) on the back. Firestone said this was
> ok--Toyota said not. So today, I had the same Iceguards put on the back.
>
> The problem is that in a little bit of ice last night going around turns
> the
> car wanted to slide. In fact, I slid off the road (thank god the other
> driver saw me). BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me, with the abililty to
> go
> over 30mph. Is this something that is common? or am I plauged? Toyota
> last
> Friday said they found nothing wrong...they did an alignment and added
> some
> air to the tires.
>
> I'm nervous about this car now....I bought a Toyota thinking I woudn't
> have
> the same problems as my Chevy. It seems like I've spent more on this car
> than the Chevy :| and that was dying...
>
> Any advice is greatly appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich
> MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP
>
>



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Old 16 Dec 2004, 10:55 pm   #6 (permalink)
Jason James
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"RTL" <block-spam.rlemmermann@nospam.abx.techarts.com> wrote in message
news:Zmnwd.4302$DQ3.1852@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Hello again,
>
> Since you guys/gals had such good information last time, I am at wit's end
> trying to figure out this problem. I have Yokohama Iceguard tires on the
> front...and Blizzaks (one season old) on the back. Firestone said this was
> ok--Toyota said not. So today, I had the same Iceguards put on the back.
>
> The problem is that in a little bit of ice last night going around turns

the
> car wanted to slide. In fact, I slid off the road (thank god the other
> driver saw me). BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me, with the abililty to

go
> over 30mph. Is this something that is common? or am I plauged? Toyota

last
> Friday said they found nothing wrong...they did an alignment and added

some
> air to the tires.
>
> I'm nervous about this car now....I bought a Toyota thinking I woudn't

have
> the same problems as my Chevy. It seems like I've spent more on this car
> than the Chevy :| and that was dying...
>
> Any advice is greatly appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich
> MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP


Snow tread is designed to such that the grooves fail to allow the snow to
collect and compact,..but ice is another matter. Rubber is rubber no matter
what you do and it will not stop a skid on a slippery surface *like* ice.

I used to encounter 'black ice' which is re-frozen water on asphalt in a
thin layer on a mountain road we used to travel regularly to. The only way
I'd take it on (and this was in a number of cars and 4WDs over the years)
was to fit chains.

Jason



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Old 17 Dec 2004, 01:44 am   #7 (permalink)
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:55:47 +1100, Jason James wrote:

>
> "RTL" <block-spam.rlemmermann@nospam.abx.techarts.com> wrote in message
> news:Zmnwd.4302$DQ3.1852@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Hello again,
>>
>> Since you guys/gals had such good information last time, I am at wit's end
>> trying to figure out this problem. I have Yokohama Iceguard tires on the
>> front...and Blizzaks (one season old) on the back. Firestone said this was
>> ok--Toyota said not. So today, I had the same Iceguards put on the back.
>>
>> The problem is that in a little bit of ice last night going around turns

> the
>> car wanted to slide. In fact, I slid off the road (thank god the other
>> driver saw me). BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me, with the abililty to

> go
>> over 30mph. Is this something that is common? or am I plauged? Toyota

> last
>> Friday said they found nothing wrong...they did an alignment and added

> some
>> air to the tires.
>>
>> I'm nervous about this car now....I bought a Toyota thinking I woudn't

> have
>> the same problems as my Chevy. It seems like I've spent more on this car
>> than the Chevy :| and that was dying...
>>
>> Any advice is greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rich
>> MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP

>
> Snow tread is designed to such that the grooves fail to allow the snow to
> collect and compact,..but ice is another matter. Rubber is rubber no matter
> what you do and it will not stop a skid on a slippery surface *like* ice.
>
> I used to encounter 'black ice' which is re-frozen water on asphalt in a
> thin layer on a mountain road we used to travel regularly to. The only way
> I'd take it on (and this was in a number of cars and 4WDs over the years)
> was to fit chains.
>
> Jason



"Black Ice" sucks, period!
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Old 17 Dec 2004, 03:14 am   #8 (permalink)
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HachiRoku wrote:
|| On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:55:47 +1100, Jason James wrote:
||
|||
||| "RTL" <block-spam.rlemmermann@nospam.abx.techarts.com> wrote in
||| message news:Zmnwd.4302$DQ3.1852@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
|||| Hello again,
||||
|||| Since you guys/gals had such good information last time, I am at
|||| wit's end trying to figure out this problem. I have Yokohama
|||| Iceguard tires on the front...and Blizzaks (one season old) on the
|||| back. Firestone said this was ok--Toyota said not. So today, I had
|||| the same Iceguards put on the back.
||||
|||| The problem is that in a little bit of ice last night going around
|||| turns the car wanted to slide. In fact, I slid off the road (thank
|||| god the other driver saw me). BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me,
|||| with the abililty to go over 30mph. Is this something that is
|||| common? or am I plauged? Toyota last Friday said they found
|||| nothing wrong...they did an alignment and added some air to the
|||| tires.
||||
|||| I'm nervous about this car now....I bought a Toyota thinking I
|||| woudn't have the same problems as my Chevy. It seems like I've
|||| spent more on this car than the Chevy :| and that was dying...
||||
|||| Any advice is greatly appreciated!
||||
|||| Cheers,
||||
|||| Rich
|||| MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP
|||
||| Snow tread is designed to such that the grooves fail to allow the
||| snow to collect and compact,..but ice is another matter. Rubber is
||| rubber no matter what you do and it will not stop a skid on a
||| slippery surface *like* ice.
|||
||| I used to encounter 'black ice' which is re-frozen water on asphalt
||| in a thin layer on a mountain road we used to travel regularly to.
||| The only way I'd take it on (and this was in a number of cars and
||| 4WDs over the years) was to fit chains.
|||
||| Jason
||
||
|| "Black Ice" sucks, period!

Black ice worse than "white" ice? You a racist, bro'?


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Old 17 Dec 2004, 05:53 am   #9 (permalink)
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>BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me,
>|||| with the abililty to go over 30mph.


Catch up to them and see what tires
they have?
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Old 17 Dec 2004, 07:36 am   #10 (permalink)
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Wow! Thank you to all that replied. I will check out "tire studs" and see
what I can find out. I'm unsure if they're legal in NY...I know they have
some [yes, whacky] laws about when we must remove snow tires and such...but
right now, safety is more of my concern.

Thanks again to all

Cheers,

Rich
MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP

"RTL" <block-spam.rlemmermann@nospam.abx.techarts.com> wrote in message
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> Hello again,
>
> Since you guys/gals had such good information last time, I am at wit's end
> trying to figure out this problem. I have Yokohama Iceguard tires on the
> front...and Blizzaks (one season old) on the back. Firestone said this was
> ok--Toyota said not. So today, I had the same Iceguards put on the back.
>
> The problem is that in a little bit of ice last night going around turns

the
> car wanted to slide. In fact, I slid off the road (thank god the other
> driver saw me). BUT, I saw other Camrys passing me, with the abililty to

go
> over 30mph. Is this something that is common? or am I plauged? Toyota

last
> Friday said they found nothing wrong...they did an alignment and added

some
> air to the tires.
>
> I'm nervous about this car now....I bought a Toyota thinking I woudn't

have
> the same problems as my Chevy. It seems like I've spent more on this car
> than the Chevy :| and that was dying...
>
> Any advice is greatly appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich
> MCSE - MCSA - MCDBA - MCP
>
>



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