93 Camry with Global Electrical Failure

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Old 18 Dec 2004, 11:41 pm   #1 (permalink)
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My 93 Camry V6 XLE failed to start this morning: There was only a rapid
clicking sound when I turned the key. I figured the battery was dead or a
battery terminal connector was not making contact, The headlights did not
go on, but the interior lights worked. I checked the battery and there was
alot of corrosion around the positive terminal.

The terminal disintegrated when I tried to remove it from the battery. I
replaced the terminal and installed a new battery, but the car now is
electrically dead as a doornail. My voltmeter reads 12.7 V across the
terminals of the new battery, and the reading is the same on the cable to
the new positive terminal. I tried to jump start the car with my other
Camry without success. (No response at all when turning the key.)

Is there a major fuse I should be checking? Ideas are welcome.
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Old 19 Dec 2004, 12:19 am   #2 (permalink)
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Check rest of cable, maybe there is corrosion on the other end of cable.
Make sure your positive lead is on the + side of battery.
Did you accidently connect the cable reverse on the battery???
There several main fuses to check, located under the hood, look for fuse
box, might be also a fusable link.
Did you remove the black protective cover on the battery terminals???
Is trans in Park or N setting???
Is voltage to starter correct??
Is voltage to starter solenoid correct when trying to start??
lights work now???
connect back all the leads to terminal?

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Old 19 Dec 2004, 12:39 am   #3 (permalink)
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"jjjsan" <jjjsan_spam@nospamz.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:4e00d8ec6a43f1df64e6dc296cce21d4@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com:

> Check rest of cable, maybe there is corrosion on the other end of cable.
> Make sure your positive lead is on the + side of battery.
> Did you accidently connect the cable reverse on the battery???
> There several main fuses to check, located under the hood, look for fuse
> box, might be also a fusable link.
> Did you remove the black protective cover on the battery terminals???
> Is trans in Park or N setting???
> Is voltage to starter correct??
> Is voltage to starter solenoid correct when trying to start??
> lights work now???
> connect back all the leads to terminal?
>


Yes: the positive lead is on the positive side & the battery terminals'
plastic covers had been removed.Also, the gear shift is set in Park

Nope, no lights work now..

I haven't checked the fuses yet: I didn't want to break any removing them -
adding another variable to the problem. What is a fusable link?

There are no lights on in the vehicle at all - no interior lights - no
dash lights - nothing!

I appreciate your advice.

Chimes
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Old 19 Dec 2004, 02:01 am   #4 (permalink)
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"Chimes" <chimesfl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ew8xd.22838$rO2.5867@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
> My 93 Camry V6 XLE failed to start this morning: There was only a rapid
> clicking sound when I turned the key. I figured the battery was dead or a
> battery terminal connector was not making contact, The headlights did not
> go on, but the interior lights worked. I checked the battery and there was
> alot of corrosion around the positive terminal.
>
> The terminal disintegrated when I tried to remove it from the battery. I
> replaced the terminal and installed a new battery, but the car now is
> electrically dead as a doornail. My voltmeter reads 12.7 V across the
> terminals of the new battery, and the reading is the same on the cable to
> the new positive terminal. I tried to jump start the car with my other
> Camry without success. (No response at all when turning the key.)
>
> Is there a major fuse I should be checking? Ideas are welcome.


I have the TOYOTA electrical manual for my 1995 4 Cyl CAMRY.

That shows the Starter fed direct from the battery.To one side of the relay.
No fuse in that line. It does draw a very large current on that lead when
starter is energised.
So there should be volts there at least.

Also the battery supply then goes to a 40amp Fuse thru a relay Marked ST
Relay.
then down to energise the MAIN Starter relay. That looks like its on the
starter.
Battery to Starter relay will be BIG cable.

After these 2 take off there is ia 100amp Fuse to supply the rest of the
car.
You really need to find these points and take a volt reading
I doubt somehow that the 100amp had popped.
But fuses do tire.( Fail with time )

You could use a jumper lead to prove your EARTH side of battery is connected
to chassis and not OPEN CIRCUIT.

Most equipment should work then.

As I say the manual is for 94 On 4 Cyl cars.
But maybe this is a fairly standard setup anyway..
Not sure if any of this any good to you. But never know.
Johnny UK.


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Old 19 Dec 2004, 08:20 am   #5 (permalink)
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"Chimes" <chimesfl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ew8xd.22838$rO2.5867@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
> My 93 Camry V6 XLE failed to start this morning: There was only a rapid
> clicking sound when I turned the key. I figured the battery was dead or a
> battery terminal connector was not making contact, The headlights did not
> go on, but the interior lights worked. I checked the battery and there was
> alot of corrosion around the positive terminal.
>
> The terminal disintegrated when I tried to remove it from the battery. I
> replaced the terminal and installed a new battery, but the car now is
> electrically dead as a doornail. My voltmeter reads 12.7 V across the
> terminals of the new battery, and the reading is the same on the cable to
> the new positive terminal. I tried to jump start the car with my other
> Camry without success. (No response at all when turning the key.)
>
> Is there a major fuse I should be checking? Ideas are welcome.


Did you replace the terminal with a temporary one? It's the kind that has a
strap for the wires to go under and is tightened down with two capscrews.
If so, make sure you got all the wires under the strap and they are clean.
If you had a lot of corrosion on the terminal it will creep up the wires and
make an insulation on the wire strands. Usually cleaning with a wire brush
or battery terminal cleaning brush works.
HTH, Dave


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Old 19 Dec 2004, 09:09 am   #6 (permalink)
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 06:39:56 +0000, Chimes wrote:

> "jjjsan" <jjjsan_spam@nospamz.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> news:4e00d8ec6a43f1df64e6dc296cce21d4@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com:
>
>> Check rest of cable, maybe there is corrosion on the other end of cable.
>> Make sure your positive lead is on the + side of battery.
>> Did you accidently connect the cable reverse on the battery???
>> There several main fuses to check, located under the hood, look for fuse
>> box, might be also a fusable link.
>> Did you remove the black protective cover on the battery terminals???
>> Is trans in Park or N setting???
>> Is voltage to starter correct??
>> Is voltage to starter solenoid correct when trying to start??
>> lights work now???
>> connect back all the leads to terminal?
>>

>
> Yes: the positive lead is on the positive side & the battery terminals'
> plastic covers had been removed.Also, the gear shift is set in Park
>
> Nope, no lights work now..
>
> I haven't checked the fuses yet: I didn't want to break any removing them -
> adding another variable to the problem. What is a fusable link?
>
> There are no lights on in the vehicle at all - no interior lights - no
> dash lights - nothing!
>
> I appreciate your advice.
>
> Chimes



Also look at your 'fusible links', they look like wire, in the main fuse
block under the hood.

Also, see my response to Barry, next message. Check your grounds. If this
is the case, it sounds like the bonding cable (attached to the motor and
the body) or another major grounding point.
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Old 19 Dec 2004, 10:28 am   #7 (permalink)
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Ive heard of New batteries being dead, Check for 13.75 v or try it in
another car.

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Old 19 Dec 2004, 11:33 am   #8 (permalink)
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Sounds like an internal break in one of the battery cables. Sometimes
there is internal corrosion under the cable insulation that can't be
addressed by just replacing a cable end. Follow the advice of the
previous poster and check continuity in all related wiring. You could
try turning the light switch to the "ON" position and wiggling wires
and see if you get a flicker. That would locate the problem if it
works.
FWIW
YMMV
DFB


On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 06:39:56 GMT, Chimes
<chimes_nospamfl@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>"jjjsan" <jjjsan_spam@nospamz.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>news:4e00d8ec6a43f1df64e6dc296cce21d4@localhost.t alkaboutautos.com:
>
>> Check rest of cable, maybe there is corrosion on the other end of cable.
>> Make sure your positive lead is on the + side of battery.
>> Did you accidently connect the cable reverse on the battery???
>> There several main fuses to check, located under the hood, look for fuse
>> box, might be also a fusable link.
>> Did you remove the black protective cover on the battery terminals???
>> Is trans in Park or N setting???
>> Is voltage to starter correct??
>> Is voltage to starter solenoid correct when trying to start??
>> lights work now???
>> connect back all the leads to terminal?
>>

>
>Yes: the positive lead is on the positive side & the battery terminals'
>plastic covers had been removed.Also, the gear shift is set in Park
>
>Nope, no lights work now..
>
>I haven't checked the fuses yet: I didn't want to break any removing them -
>adding another variable to the problem. What is a fusable link?
>
>There are no lights on in the vehicle at all - no interior lights - no
>dash lights - nothing!
>
>I appreciate your advice.
>
>Chimes






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Old 19 Dec 2004, 06:36 pm   #9 (permalink)
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sounds like you may have tried to jump it backwards or put the battery in
backwards


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