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Old 21 Dec 2004, 12:23 pm   #1 (permalink)
ufatbastehd
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Default My sons new camry

My son just got a 91 camry for 2500 bucks with 56, 500 miles-one owner
well kept. He will use this to drive to college 8 hrs away every
semester.

I got an estimate on having the timing belt and water pump replaced
from a Toyota deaker for 448.00 bottom line. Its time for this due to
age of car and milage

The car has two fan belts I large which was just replaced and a smaller
one at the bottom of the engine which Im going to have the dealer
replace. Also will have the dealer repalce the three? crank seals. I
replaced the plugs, dist cap, rotor and wires as well as the engine oil
and filter and t-stat.

Here is my problem-the heater blows cold air only. The cooling system
fluids were dirty brown and I was able to back flush the system and the
heater core until water ran clean.
I replaced the t-stat too. The valve on the firewall does open and
close and the hoses in and out of the core are hot. Still the heater
blows cold air only! Anybody have any ideas?


We need to pass state insp and replace the timing belt and waterpump to
make this car safe for the 8 hr trip to school. I hate to have the kid
spend the dough for a new heater core when in fact the problem is
something else.
Any insight is appreciatd!

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Old 21 Dec 2004, 04:50 pm   #2 (permalink)
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This is not a common occurance on that style Camry so I have no silver
bullets of wisdom for you, just diagnostic technique...

If both of your heater core hoses are pretty warm, suspect a
broken/misadjusted blend door inside under the dash.

When you operate the temp lever (I assume you have the manual lever
type control system) quickly from hot to cold and back you should feel
the mass of the cable and door mechanism operating through the lever.
If there's no resistance then your problem is with the cable or door.
Hopefully its a cable that fell out of its bracket -- because a blend
door problem means a new blower box or some crafty engineering. Either
way it would require a lot of labor!

If your cooling system is not even reaching correct temperature then
suspect the new thermostat, especially if its aftermarket. That's one
part to get at the Toyota dealer no matter what. For whatever reason,
I've noticed that the good quality import thermostats, for example OE
Honda and Toyota, can not be found as reboxed aftermarket parts. The
aftermarket stuff is just horrible in my experience and not worth
saving $5 on.

Good luck, Toyota MDT in MO

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Old 22 Dec 2004, 10:38 am   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reply-I did use a Toyota T Stat. I do feel the cable
moving so I guess it could be what you called "the blend door"
Prior owner got an estimate of 500.00 to fix-Im trying to find out who
estimated and what they were fixing!

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Old 22 Dec 2004, 12:52 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Did you back flush the core separately? If not the core could still be
your problem. If you did and both hoses are hot then you need to get
at the blend door as Tech said.
FWIW
YMMV
DFB


On 21 Dec 2004 10:23:38 -0800, "ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com>
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>My son just got a 91 camry for 2500 bucks with 56, 500 miles-one owner
>well kept. He will use this to drive to college 8 hrs away every
>semester.
>
>I got an estimate on having the timing belt and water pump replaced
>from a Toyota deaker for 448.00 bottom line. Its time for this due to
>age of car and milage
>
>The car has two fan belts I large which was just replaced and a smaller
>one at the bottom of the engine which Im going to have the dealer
>replace. Also will have the dealer repalce the three? crank seals. I
>replaced the plugs, dist cap, rotor and wires as well as the engine oil
>and filter and t-stat.
>
>Here is my problem-the heater blows cold air only. The cooling system
>fluids were dirty brown and I was able to back flush the system and the
>heater core until water ran clean.
>I replaced the t-stat too. The valve on the firewall does open and
>close and the hoses in and out of the core are hot. Still the heater
>blows cold air only! Anybody have any ideas?
>
>
>We need to pass state insp and replace the timing belt and waterpump to
>make this car safe for the 8 hr trip to school. I hate to have the kid
>spend the dough for a new heater core when in fact the problem is
>something else.
>Any insight is appreciatd!






"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas
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Old 22 Dec 2004, 01:00 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Comboverfish,
Do you have any good online parts sources for OEM Toyota parts? Parts
departments at the two dealers near me are "sad" in terms of counter
help. I'd rather order online from a place where the counter people
have a clue. Any referrals would be most appreciated.
TIA
DFB


On 21 Dec 2004 14:50:13 -0800, "Comboverfish" <comboverfish@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>This is not a common occurance on that style Camry so I have no silver
>bullets of wisdom for you, just diagnostic technique...
>
>If both of your heater core hoses are pretty warm, suspect a
>broken/misadjusted blend door inside under the dash.
>
>When you operate the temp lever (I assume you have the manual lever
>type control system) quickly from hot to cold and back you should feel
>the mass of the cable and door mechanism operating through the lever.
>If there's no resistance then your problem is with the cable or door.
>Hopefully its a cable that fell out of its bracket -- because a blend
>door problem means a new blower box or some crafty engineering. Either
>way it would require a lot of labor!
>
>If your cooling system is not even reaching correct temperature then
>suspect the new thermostat, especially if its aftermarket. That's one
>part to get at the Toyota dealer no matter what. For whatever reason,
>I've noticed that the good quality import thermostats, for example OE
>Honda and Toyota, can not be found as reboxed aftermarket parts. The
>aftermarket stuff is just horrible in my experience and not worth
>saving $5 on.
>
>Good luck, Toyota MDT in MO






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constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
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Old 22 Dec 2004, 01:38 pm   #6 (permalink)
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MisterSkippy wrote:
> Did you back flush the core separately? If not the core could still

be
> your problem. If you did and both hoses are hot then you need to get
> at the blend door as Tech said.
> FWIW
> YMMV
> DFB
>
>
> On 21 Dec 2004 10:23:38 -0800, "ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My son just got a 91 camry for 2500 bucks with 56, 500 miles-one

owner
> >well kept. He will use this to drive to college 8 hrs away every
> >semester.
> >
> >I got an estimate on having the timing belt and water pump replaced
> >from a Toyota deaker for 448.00 bottom line. Its time for this due

to
> >age of car and milage
> >
> >The car has two fan belts I large which was just replaced and a

smaller
> >one at the bottom of the engine which Im going to have the dealer
> >replace. Also will have the dealer repalce the three? crank seals. I
> >replaced the plugs, dist cap, rotor and wires as well as the engine

oil
> >and filter and t-stat.
> >
> >Here is my problem-the heater blows cold air only. The cooling

system
> >fluids were dirty brown and I was able to back flush the system and

the
> >heater core until water ran clean.
> >I replaced the t-stat too. The valve on the firewall does open and
> >close and the hoses in and out of the core are hot. Still the heater
> >blows cold air only! Anybody have any ideas?
> >
> >
> >We need to pass state insp and replace the timing belt and waterpump

to
> >make this car safe for the 8 hr trip to school. I hate to have the

kid
> >spend the dough for a new heater core when in fact the problem is
> >something else.
> >Any insight is appreciatd!

>
>
>
>
>
> "When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a

citizen's
> constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take

matters into
> his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at

all."
> - Justice William O. Douglas


yes I back flushed the core utilizing the hoses that go directly into
it at the firewall. Will look into the blend door location and see if
my son and I can get at it>

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Old 22 Dec 2004, 07:40 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is my problem-the heater blows cold air only. The cooling system
> fluids were dirty brown and I was able to back flush the system and the
> heater core until water ran clean.
> I replaced the t-stat too. The valve on the firewall does open and
> close and the hoses in and out of the core are hot. Still the heater
> blows cold air only! Anybody have any ideas?



Try making sure the hot-water tap is passing fluid when open,...if it's ok,
its possible the car has been run without proper coolant maintenance for
most of its life and the heater core is choked with particles of rust and
minerals which drop out of suspension.

Some cars do make it to the wreckers with good cooling sytems,...a second
hand core should be relatively cheap or you can get the original one cleaned
at a radiator service shop.


Jason


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Old 23 Dec 2004, 12:56 am   #8 (permalink)
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:00:22 -0500, MisterSkippy
<MisterSkippy@optonline.net> wrote:

>Comboverfish,
>Do you have any good online parts sources for OEM Toyota parts? Parts
>departments at the two dealers near me are "sad" in terms of counter
>help. I'd rather order online from a place where the counter people
>have a clue. Any referrals would be most appreciated.
>TIA
>DFB


I suggest looking at the back of car magazines. Most of them are
actual dealers but sell the OEM parts at about a 25% discount.
There's shipping cost but most of the time, that's cheaper than paying
for the taxes. I used to order Honda parts from Manhonda. I found
them at the back of a car magazine. Sorry but I don't have a Toyota
one as I deal with my local dealers.
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Old 27 Dec 2004, 05:34 pm   #9 (permalink)
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MisterSkippy wrote:
> Comboverfish,
> Do you have any good online parts sources for OEM Toyota parts? Parts
> departments at the two dealers near me are "sad" in terms of counter
> help. I'd rather order online from a place where the counter people
> have a clue. Any referrals would be most appreciated.
> TIA
> DFB



Sorry, I don't. I just get Toyota parts from the dealer I work at.
Viperkiller had some experienced input on this. I have heard of large
dealers selling parts nationwide but I don't know how they process
requests from non-mechanics or DIYers. I would think proper
communication would be the hardest obstacle towards shipping out the
correct parts to the average consumer.


Re: lack of counter help... I can sympathize, but as a highschool kid
growing up I used to think the help guys at hardware stores and counter
guys at auto parts stores were 'stupid and useless' because I couldn't
always get the part or answer I needed. As humility set in (very
slowly) it became apparent to me that most of these guys actually had
quite a bit of wisdom in what they had to say.
Now I think I can weed out the few truly bad apples much more
accurately and I've learned to appreciate any counterperson's info or
assistance even if their actions seem a little dopey, because we can't
all be great at everything!

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Old 28 Dec 2004, 12:14 pm   #10 (permalink)
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On 27 Dec 2004 15:34:23 -0800, "Comboverfish" <comboverfish@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>MisterSkippy wrote:
>> Comboverfish,
>> Do you have any good online parts sources for OEM Toyota parts? Parts
>> departments at the two dealers near me are "sad" in terms of counter
>> help. I'd rather order online from a place where the counter people
>> have a clue. Any referrals would be most appreciated.
>> TIA
>> DFB

>
>
>Sorry, I don't. I just get Toyota parts from the dealer I work at.
>Viperkiller had some experienced input on this. I have heard of large
>dealers selling parts nationwide but I don't know how they process
>requests from non-mechanics or DIYers. I would think proper
>communication would be the hardest obstacle towards shipping out the
>correct parts to the average consumer.
>
>
>Re: lack of counter help... I can sympathize, but as a highschool kid
>growing up I used to think the help guys at hardware stores and counter
>guys at auto parts stores were 'stupid and useless' because I couldn't
>always get the part or answer I needed. As humility set in (very
>slowly) it became apparent to me that most of these guys actually had
>quite a bit of wisdom in what they had to say.
>Now I think I can weed out the few truly bad apples much more
>accurately and I've learned to appreciate any counterperson's info or
>assistance even if their actions seem a little dopey, because we can't
>all be great at everything!


I certainly understand where you are coming from. Not all dealership
parts people are "sad", although referring to the two near me as such
is a kindness. The third local dealership is a branch of number two
and the parts department seemingly keeps little stock on hand.
Example #1... Go into the parts department of dealer #1 in the middle
of the afternoon and be told "We don't have time to take orders for
parts we don't have in stock today. Come back tomorrow."
Example #2... Different part, different day...Go into the parts
department of dealer #2 and be told the part, a wiper arm you just
removed from your wife's Camry, is not from a Toyota. When you explain
that you bought the car new, have always done all the maintenance,
and it most certainly is from a Toyota Camry, you are looked at with
disgust and the next person in line is asked what they need. You are
thus dismissed.
I don't know if these two characters had any wisdom to impart or not.
We didn't get that far. I got as far as NAPA, though. But there are
instances when I would prefer OEM parts.
I've had very good luck with online sources for my Caddy. The parts
ordering procedure is almost foolproof. Combined with information from
the shop manual there has never been a problem. Prices seem to be
about 10-20% above wholesale. Cadillac dealer parts (counter people
knowledgeable and helpful) run bust out retail plus 20%. I was hoping
to find a similar online source for Toyota parts. As one poster
suggested, Ebay might be an answer.
Thank you for taking the time to reply. It is most appreciated.
DFB






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