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Old 02 Jan 2005, 11:08 pm   #1 (permalink)
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If you have the "auto down" feature on your driver's power window, chances
are you can make it an "auto up" as well! But, be aware, in the auto mode,
it takes a good amount of force to stop the window once it gets started.
DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!

The only thing keeping it from auto up is a tab on the back of the switch.
I did mine this way:

I removed the panel the window switch is mouned in, then removed the trim
cover. On some models, you may have to unscrew the switch from the panel;
I didn't have to.

You can see the tab on the back of the switch. Remove the tab carefully
with a pair of needle nose pliers or wire cutters. File with a file or
emery board if necessary.

You now have an auto up switch! This worked with my '88 Supra and an '86
Camry. Test the system by opening the door (so you can stop it if you have
to!) Press the switch, and apply some force to the window. When the motor
starts to load, the switch should kick off same as it does when the window
is going down.

You're on your own on this one! Again, DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
I believe that is why they aren't supplied to the US this way; Toyota
doesn't like lawsuits.

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Old 03 Jan 2005, 12:19 am   #2 (permalink)
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:08:19 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:

>If you have the "auto down" feature on your driver's power window, chances
>are you can make it an "auto up" as well! But, be aware, in the auto mode,
>it takes a good amount of force to stop the window once it gets started.
>DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
>
>The only thing keeping it from auto up is a tab on the back of the switch.
>I did mine this way:
>
>I removed the panel the window switch is mouned in, then removed the trim
>cover. On some models, you may have to unscrew the switch from the panel;
>I didn't have to.
>
>You can see the tab on the back of the switch. Remove the tab carefully
>with a pair of needle nose pliers or wire cutters. File with a file or
>emery board if necessary.
>
>You now have an auto up switch! This worked with my '88 Supra and an '86
>Camry. Test the system by opening the door (so you can stop it if you have
>to!) Press the switch, and apply some force to the window. When the motor
>starts to load, the switch should kick off same as it does when the window
>is going down.
>
>You're on your own on this one! Again, DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
>I believe that is why they aren't supplied to the US this way; Toyota
>doesn't like lawsuits.


Hachi,

That is nifty. Clever of you to figure that out. Thanks for the tip.

What I want to try is this though: copy my Lexus. My GS430 has autoup
and autodown on all 4 windows. It incorporated a pinch protector on
each. I need to study how all of it works and perhaps do the same to
my other cars. Once you have it, you get a bit spoiled. My initial
guess is that I'd have to buy the relay for it along with whatever the
sensor is. Does anyone know?
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Old 03 Jan 2005, 02:02 am   #3 (permalink)
Gary L. Burnore
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:19:16 -0500, Viperkiller <nothing@nunya.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:08:19 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>
>>If you have the "auto down" feature on your driver's power window, chances
>>are you can make it an "auto up" as well! But, be aware, in the auto mode,
>>it takes a good amount of force to stop the window once it gets started.
>>DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
>>
>>The only thing keeping it from auto up is a tab on the back of the switch.
>>I did mine this way:
>>
>>I removed the panel the window switch is mouned in, then removed the trim
>>cover. On some models, you may have to unscrew the switch from the panel;
>>I didn't have to.
>>
>>You can see the tab on the back of the switch. Remove the tab carefully
>>with a pair of needle nose pliers or wire cutters. File with a file or
>>emery board if necessary.
>>
>>You now have an auto up switch! This worked with my '88 Supra and an '86
>>Camry. Test the system by opening the door (so you can stop it if you have
>>to!) Press the switch, and apply some force to the window. When the motor
>>starts to load, the switch should kick off same as it does when the window
>>is going down.
>>
>>You're on your own on this one! Again, DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
>>I believe that is why they aren't supplied to the US this way; Toyota
>>doesn't like lawsuits.

>
>Hachi,
>
>That is nifty. Clever of you to figure that out. Thanks for the tip.
>
>What I want to try is this though: copy my Lexus. My GS430 has autoup
>and autodown on all 4 windows. It incorporated a pinch protector on
>each. I need to study how all of it works and perhaps do the same to
>my other cars. Once you have it, you get a bit spoiled. My initial
>guess is that I'd have to buy the relay for it along with whatever the
>sensor is. Does anyone know?


Logic would say a load relay within the motor control assy. Shouldn't
be hard to duplicate.
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Old 03 Jan 2005, 05:33 pm   #4 (permalink)
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How do you activate the auto-up feature, can you still raise the window part
way up?

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> If you have the "auto down" feature on your driver's power window, chances
> are you can make it an "auto up" as well! But, be aware, in the auto mode,
> it takes a good amount of force to stop the window once it gets started.
> DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
>
> The only thing keeping it from auto up is a tab on the back of the switch.
> I did mine this way:
>
> I removed the panel the window switch is mouned in, then removed the trim
> cover. On some models, you may have to unscrew the switch from the panel;
> I didn't have to.
>
> You can see the tab on the back of the switch. Remove the tab carefully
> with a pair of needle nose pliers or wire cutters. File with a file or
> emery board if necessary.
>
> You now have an auto up switch! This worked with my '88 Supra and an '86
> Camry. Test the system by opening the door (so you can stop it if you have
> to!) Press the switch, and apply some force to the window. When the motor
> starts to load, the switch should kick off same as it does when the window
> is going down.
>
> You're on your own on this one! Again, DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
> I believe that is why they aren't supplied to the US this way; Toyota
> doesn't like lawsuits.
>



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Old 03 Jan 2005, 05:47 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:33:39 -0500, Tony Marsillo wrote:

> How do you activate the auto-up feature, can you still raise the window part
> way up?


If you already have Auto Down, just push the same button used for down.
Perhaps I should explain better. On the two cars I did, the standard
window lift button was located as a paddle *inside* the auto down switch.
So, the paddle switch was used to raise and lower the window normally,
and surrounding this paddle switch was the auto down option. It is on the
surrounding switch you wat to remove the tab. In all honesty, for systems
with 1 switch that performs both functions, I'm not sure. I would venture
to guess there is a similar method that would involve removing the switch
totally.
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Old 03 Jan 2005, 05:50 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:19:16 -0500, Viperkiller wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:08:19 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>
>>If you have the "auto down" feature on your driver's power window, chances
>>are you can make it an "auto up" as well! But, be aware, in the auto mode,
>>it takes a good amount of force to stop the window once it gets started.
>>DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
>>
>>The only thing keeping it from auto up is a tab on the back of the switch.
>>I did mine this way:
>>
>>I removed the panel the window switch is mouned in, then removed the trim
>>cover. On some models, you may have to unscrew the switch from the panel;
>>I didn't have to.
>>
>>You can see the tab on the back of the switch. Remove the tab carefully
>>with a pair of needle nose pliers or wire cutters. File with a file or
>>emery board if necessary.
>>
>>You now have an auto up switch! This worked with my '88 Supra and an '86
>>Camry. Test the system by opening the door (so you can stop it if you have
>>to!) Press the switch, and apply some force to the window. When the motor
>>starts to load, the switch should kick off same as it does when the window
>>is going down.
>>
>>You're on your own on this one! Again, DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE KIDS!!!
>>I believe that is why they aren't supplied to the US this way; Toyota
>>doesn't like lawsuits.

>
> Hachi,
>
> That is nifty. Clever of you to figure that out. Thanks for the tip.


LOL! I always did have to ph@ck with things!

>
> What I want to try is this though: copy my Lexus. My GS430 has autoup
> and autodown on all 4 windows. It incorporated a pinch protector on
> each. I need to study how all of it works and perhaps do the same to
> my other cars. Once you have it, you get a bit spoiled. My initial
> guess is that I'd have to buy the relay for it along with whatever the
> sensor is. Does anyone know?



This I don't know. I would guess that it could be done on a two window
(coupe) by installing a switch similar to the driver's side. I don't know
the method for the pinch protector, by I would guess it does it by current
limiting. I noticed when I tested my window, you can hear a 'click' when
the motor bogs down...
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Old 04 Jan 2005, 12:12 am   #7 (permalink)
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 03:02:52 -0500, Gary L. Burnore
<gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:

>>
>>Hachi,
>>
>>That is nifty. Clever of you to figure that out. Thanks for the tip.
>>
>>What I want to try is this though: copy my Lexus. My GS430 has autoup
>>and autodown on all 4 windows. It incorporated a pinch protector on
>>each. I need to study how all of it works and perhaps do the same to
>>my other cars. Once you have it, you get a bit spoiled. My initial
>>guess is that I'd have to buy the relay for it along with whatever the
>>sensor is. Does anyone know?

>
>Logic would say a load relay within the motor control assy. Shouldn't
>be hard to duplicate.


That's precisely what I was theorizing. Thanks, Gary.



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Old 04 Jan 2005, 12:16 am   #8 (permalink)
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:50:24 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:


>>
>> What I want to try is this though: copy my Lexus. My GS430 has autoup
>> and autodown on all 4 windows. It incorporated a pinch protector on
>> each. I need to study how all of it works and perhaps do the same to
>> my other cars. Once you have it, you get a bit spoiled. My initial
>> guess is that I'd have to buy the relay for it along with whatever the
>> sensor is. Does anyone know?

>
>
>This I don't know. I would guess that it could be done on a two window
>(coupe) by installing a switch similar to the driver's side. I don't know
>the method for the pinch protector, by I would guess it does it by current
>limiting. I noticed when I tested my window, you can hear a 'click' when
>the motor bogs down...


Gary Burnore's response had the same indication. I suppose I should
try by purchasing the repair manual and electrical diagram.

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Old 04 Jan 2005, 02:21 am   #9 (permalink)
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:16:28 -0500, Mason S. <nobody@nothing.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:50:24 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> What I want to try is this though: copy my Lexus. My GS430 has autoup
>>> and autodown on all 4 windows. It incorporated a pinch protector on
>>> each. I need to study how all of it works and perhaps do the same to
>>> my other cars. Once you have it, you get a bit spoiled. My initial
>>> guess is that I'd have to buy the relay for it along with whatever the
>>> sensor is. Does anyone know?

>>
>>
>>This I don't know. I would guess that it could be done on a two window
>>(coupe) by installing a switch similar to the driver's side. I don't know
>>the method for the pinch protector, by I would guess it does it by current
>>limiting. I noticed when I tested my window, you can hear a 'click' when
>>the motor bogs down...

>
>Gary Burnore's response had the same indication. I suppose I should
>try by purchasing the repair manual and electrical diagram.


I've studied the diagram on my 89 cressida and the limiter is a part
of the motor control. There is no sensor on the window frame. Had My
wife's camery (06) open on the drivers side to put the window back in
the track (she hit something with the mirrior). There's no sensoron
that one either.


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Old 04 Jan 2005, 03:42 am   #10 (permalink)
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"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:16:28 -0500, Mason S. <nobody@nothing.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:50:24 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> What I want to try is this though: copy my Lexus. My GS430 has autoup
>>>> and autodown on all 4 windows. It incorporated a pinch protector on
>>>> each. I need to study how all of it works and perhaps do the same to
>>>> my other cars. Once you have it, you get a bit spoiled. My initial
>>>> guess is that I'd have to buy the relay for it along with whatever the
>>>> sensor is. Does anyone know?
>>>
>>>
>>>This I don't know. I would guess that it could be done on a two window
>>>(coupe) by installing a switch similar to the driver's side. I don't know
>>>the method for the pinch protector, by I would guess it does it by
>>>current
>>>limiting. I noticed when I tested my window, you can hear a 'click' when
>>>the motor bogs down...

>>
>>Gary Burnore's response had the same indication. I suppose I should
>>try by purchasing the repair manual and electrical diagram.

>
> I've studied the diagram on my 89 cressida and the limiter is a part
> of the motor control. There is no sensor on the window frame. Had My
> wife's camery (06) open on the drivers side to put the window back in
> the track (she hit something with the mirrior). There's no sensoron
> that one either.
>


They are way too old to have it fitted. This is a modern safety feature seen
on cars younger than around six years.
It was introduced due to injuries and death with vehicles fitted with the
old system, the older of which do not even retract the windows to ease
pressure but just stop the window while maintaining the pressure that caused
it to stop. This is no longer acceptable and windows must retract after
stopping.

Huw



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