TSB for vibration kit... service denied

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Old 05 Jan 2005, 04:32 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Hey again..

Browsing thru some old NGs I found a post regarding a vibration kit for
92-93 Camrys.
I wrote down the TSB# (EG94-002) and headed on over to my dealer hoping to
FINALLY
fix the vIbRaTiOn in my 94 Camry. The parts department told me I'm on my
own, but then
the service dept. told me they'd cover it if my VIN matched those specified
by the TSB.
It didnt, by about a few digits or so. So I called up Toyota and begged and
pleaded with
them to no avail. Toyota also told me that TSB arent the same as recalls (no
duh) and
that they're not covered unless they're having a "special campaign." Well I
know Toyota
is aware of the 94 Camry vibration problem.. I dont know how many dozens of
postings
I've seen about it. The dealer said I should only use their motor mount
(12361-74252)
since it is hydraulic and I probably won't find aftermarket ones just as
good (advanceauto
does have hydraulic mounts tho, just checked).
Does anyone have any advice? I've read posts where people have gotten their
dealer to do
the work for free.

Also, I tried the Redline cleaner that some people have talked about and I'm
pretty sure I noticed
some difference. Could dirty fuel injectors affect fuel economy? or just
performance? I don't see
how it could affect one without the other but then again thats why I'm
asking. Sorry to be such
a newb. I ask because I get about 450mpg highway and about 275-300mpg city.
My dealer
said thats at least average.
Lastly, whats all your opinions on that carbon cleaning service from the
dealer (170 bux). Worth it?
My engine looks pretty clean and I clean out the throttle body once or twice
a year.


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Old 05 Jan 2005, 07:23 pm   #2 (permalink)
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>Does anyone have any advice? I've read posts where people have gotten their
>dealer to do
>the work for free.


try another dealer or two, maybe one of them will work with you.
The car *is* ten years old, and it makes no sense to carry on too much
about it if none will "cover" it. Shouldn't be too much trouble to pay
for it yourself if you love your car enough to have it done.



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Old 06 Jan 2005, 06:42 am   #3 (permalink)
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>Browsing thru some old NGs I found a post regarding a vibration kit for
>92-93 Camrys.
>I wrote down the TSB# (EG94-002) and headed on over to my dealer hoping to
>FINALLY
>fix the vIbRaTiOn in my 94 Camry. The parts department told me I'm on my
>own, but then
>the service dept. told me they'd cover it if my VIN matched those specified
>by the TSB.


Get the parts listed on the TSb and have someone reputable install them.

The dealer said I should only use their motor mount
>(12361-74252)
>since it is hydraulic and I probably won't find aftermarket ones just as
>good (advanceauto does have hydraulic mounts tho, just checked).


The Toyota one is probably better...most aftermarket parts are crap.

>Does anyone have any advice? I've read posts where people have gotten their

dealer to do the work for free.

Not gonna happen, the car is over 10 years old and no recall was
made for that problem. TSBs are fixed at your expense.

>
>Also, I tried the Redline cleaner that some people have talked about and

I'mpretty sure I noticed
>some difference. Could dirty fuel injectors affect fuel economy? or just
>performance? I don't see
>how it could affect one without the other but then again thats why I'm
>asking. Sorry to be such
>a newb. I ask because I get about 450mpg highway and about 275-300mpg city.


Yes dirty injectors can hurt performance and economy.
City mileage sounds a little low. Highway is good.
How is the air filter and fuel filter?
tires at the right pressure? Brakes not dragging?
Valves been adjusted lately?
Correct weight of oil being used?


>Lastly, whats all your opinions on that carbon cleaning service from the
>dealer (170 bux). Worth it?
>My engine looks pretty clean and I clean out the throttle body once or twicea

year.

I had that done on my older Camry. I could tell no difference.
Looks of an engine mean nothing unless you have xray vision...
Good on the throttle body service.


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Old 06 Jan 2005, 07:15 am   #4 (permalink)
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Have you checked the secondary ignition system.
By now, if you haven't already, all those parts should probably be
changed.
My distributor cap ('94) looked good except it was old enough that the
rubber vent had cracked, so I sealed it with RTV silicone, then just
went ahead and replaced the distributor cap, rotor, wires and platinum
plugs. Two of the spark plug wires showed infinite resistance and one
was shorting down inside the spark plug tube.
If your plug wires are weak, could contribute to rough idle.
Also check the "dog bone" upper engine mount. If that has slightly
cracked, it's easy to replace. If it is shot, engine movement while
accelerating is likely to destroy to larger (fluid dampened) main
engine mounts more rapidly.

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Old 06 Jan 2005, 07:21 am   #5 (permalink)
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I clean out the throttle body once or twice
a year.

Spraying cleaner in the TB will keep the butterfly valve from sticking,
but if you have the factory service manual, there's a procedure of
cleaning with compressed air and also adjusting the tthrottle position
sensor with a .024" thickness gauge, and setting the engine speed by
adjusting the throttle positioner.
Bottom line - removing the throttle body allows you to access areas in
the back- near the EGR outlet, that are inacessible otherwise.

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Old 06 Jan 2005, 07:22 am   #6 (permalink)
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I clean out the throttle body once or twice
a year.

Spraying cleaner in the TB will keep the butterfly valve from sticking,
but if you have the factory service manual, there's a procedure of
cleaning with compressed air and also adjusting the tthrottle position
sensor with a .024" thickness gauge, and setting the engine speed by
adjusting the throttle positioner.
Bottom line - removing the throttle body allows you to access areas in
the back- near the EGR outlet, that are inacessible otherwise.
You need a manual, a new $2 gasket, a gallon of coolant, compressed
air, carburetor cleaner, and some patience.

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Old 07 Jan 2005, 08:04 am   #7 (permalink)
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I don't have the factory service manual, but I do have the Chilton's and
Haynes manuals.. Tho I am thinking about investing in one of the factory
service manual CDs online ($25).. Unless someone is feeling generous... ;>
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Old 07 Jan 2005, 08:07 am   #8 (permalink)
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Replaced the dog bone mount (torque strut) last night.. It just barely
reduced any of the vibration. Think I gotta go with following the TSB and
replacing the front mount and the radiator supports.. Might as well change
some hoses while I'm down there, they're lookin kinda worn.

Also I decided to take the car to the dealer and have them run a full
diagnostics on it ($85). I can do real minor things but I'm not experienced
enough to check timings, replace gaskets, etc...
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Old 08 Jan 2005, 09:31 am   #9 (permalink)
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If you could find a genuine hard copy book, that might be more useful.
I have trouble with the idea of printing a page or two at the
computer, going out to the garage, looking things over, coming back in
greasy to print more pages, etc. Up to you of course.
Good luck.
Bob

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> I don't have the factory service manual, but I do have the Chilton's

and
> Haynes manuals.. Tho I am thinking about investing in one of the

factory
> service manual CDs online ($25).. Unless someone is feeling

generous... ;>


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Old 10 Jan 2005, 10:07 pm   #10 (permalink)
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toyo tech here ok on you motor mount if your dogbone mount is torn that
means your front motor mount is bad we always replace them together and
the throttle body cleaning I havent noticed any improvement in driving or
gas mileage but it cleans the butterfly which starts to stick shut youll
start to notice it when you press your gas pedal and it sticks at first it
recommended every 15000 miles though charge for these should be 1.5hr front
motor mount .5 for dog bone and .7 for throttle body (also know as 3 part
it includes fuel additive and throttle body cleaner and top end engine
cleaner) not sure on labor rate though

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