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Old 08 Jan 2005, 09:00 pm   #1 (permalink)
marhou
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My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas stations
are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel. Is it safe for
the Camry to use it?

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Old 08 Jan 2005, 10:23 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:00:21 -0500, marhou wrote:

> My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas stations
> are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel. Is it safe for
> the Camry to use it?



Hmmm...back in the day I used to use gasahol (15% corn squeezins') in an
'80 Corolla Coupe SR-5. All my friends said this would burn valves, etc.
The car was brand new. I ran gasahol for three years, since it was a
higher octane at a comparable price. I traded the car in '86 with 240,000
miles on it, and I don't know what happened to it after that...
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Old 08 Jan 2005, 10:44 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:00:21 -0500, "marhou"
<houstonoutfitters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas stations
>are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel. Is it safe for
>the Camry to use it?


Toyota doesn't recommend anything more than 10% alcohol. Obviously,
that mixture is 15%. If rarely used, I don't think it will cause
noticeable harm. The alcohol is corrosive to the metal parts in the
system. I'd suggest not to use it very often. Although, the alcohol
will remove any water or moisture from the fuel system (mostly your
gas tank). Using it on rare occasions will actually yield a benefit.
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Old 09 Jan 2005, 06:19 am   #4 (permalink)
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:00:21 -0500, "marhou"
<houstonoutfitters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas stations
>are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel. Is it safe for
>the Camry to use it?


NO! That's eighty-five percent alcohol. Ford, and others,
offers a modified engine option on one model, was Taurus, for use
with this fuel. It's popular with state energy departments.

Glenn
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Old 09 Jan 2005, 07:12 am   #5 (permalink)
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marhou wrote:
> My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas
> stations are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel.
> Is it safe for the Camry to use it?



Absolutely ... NOT. E85 is 85% alcohol and 15% gasoline. Do not use.

http://www.altfuels.org/backgrnd/altftype/e85.html


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Old 09 Jan 2005, 07:12 am   #6 (permalink)
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Viperkiller wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:00:21 -0500, "marhou"
> <houstonoutfitters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas
>> stations are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel.
>> Is it safe for the Camry to use it?

>
> Toyota doesn't recommend anything more than 10% alcohol. Obviously,
> that mixture is 15%.

SNIP

Your ignorant assumption is "obvious." Better read up on the subject before
commenting.

http://www.altfuels.org/backgrnd/altftype/e85.html
http://www.engr.unl.edu/~ethanol/unl-sae2.pdf

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Old 09 Jan 2005, 09:09 am   #7 (permalink)
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:00:21 -0500, marhou wrote:

> My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas stations
> are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel. Is it safe for
> the Camry to use it?


Chances are she is already. Usually the cheaper gasoline (like in
conveience stores) are *already* 'Gasahol'! Check with the retailer (the
manager, a lot of times the counter people won't know)
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Old 09 Jan 2005, 10:41 am   #8 (permalink)
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:09:58 GMT, hachiroku <hachiroku@AE86.gts>
wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:00:21 -0500, marhou wrote:
>
>> My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas stations
>> are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel. Is it safe for
>> the Camry to use it?

>
>Chances are she is already. Usually the cheaper gasoline (like in
>conveience stores) are *already* 'Gasahol'! Check with the retailer (the
>manager, a lot of times the counter people won't know)


Cheaper? Maybe with gas at two dollars, but until now ten
percent ethanol was more expensive. Minnesota has had all grades
at all station at ten percent for something like twenty years
(and available for another ten). Federal pollution requirements
have by now pretty much required ethanol in all grades everywhere
there's a pollution problem or a farmer's lobby. There should be
a sticker on the gas pump stating if it's an ethanol blend.

Glenn
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Old 09 Jan 2005, 03:35 pm   #9 (permalink)
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marhou wrote:
> My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas
> stations are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel.
> Is it safe for the Camry to use it?



Toyota allows the use of oxygenate blended gasoline where the oxygenate
content is up to 10% ethanol or 15% MTBE. If you use gasohol in your
Toyota, be sure that it has an octane rating no lower than 87.


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Old 09 Jan 2005, 07:18 pm   #10 (permalink)
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:41:00 -0600, Glenn wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:09:58 GMT, hachiroku <hachiroku@AE86.gts>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:00:21 -0500, marhou wrote:
>>
>>> My daughter has a 2000 Camry and just moved to Iowa where the gas stations
>>> are selling regular fuel as well as E85 corn alcohol fuel. Is it safe for
>>> the Camry to use it?

>>
>>Chances are she is already. Usually the cheaper gasoline (like in
>>conveience stores) are *already* 'Gasahol'! Check with the retailer (the
>>manager, a lot of times the counter people won't know)

>
> Cheaper? Maybe with gas at two dollars, but until now ten
> percent ethanol was more expensive. Minnesota has had all grades
> at all station at ten percent for something like twenty years
> (and available for another ten). Federal pollution requirements
> have by now pretty much required ethanol in all grades everywhere
> there's a pollution problem or a farmer's lobby. There should be
> a sticker on the gas pump stating if it's an ethanol blend.
>
> Glenn


Here in Massachusetts, they have to. I just didn't notice it for the past
few years!!!
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