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Old 24 Jan 2005, 06:54 pm   #1 (permalink)
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We have a '95 Camry v-6 LE. Just recently, an indicator lamp comes on full
time (its the one on the dash with a picture of an engine with the word
"CHECK" under it). Can someone tell me what this is trying to tell me and
how do I go about checking it out myself?

Thanks,
Jack

[As a side note: the other day, with the key in the ignition and trying to
start the car, the switch would not turn, as if jambed. I kept wiggling it
while making sure the shifter was in Park. After repeated key insertions
and attempts to turn, it finally worked. Thinking that the internal guts
were raw, I loaded it up with a spray lock lube and changed keys. It hasn't
faulted that way again since ..but on occasion my wife notices the key is
hard to remove from the switch.
I now wonder if somehow this lubeing(excessive?) I did might now be causing
the indicator lamp to come on?]


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Old 24 Jan 2005, 07:08 pm   #2 (permalink)
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drive that thing to your local autozone or chain parts store and have them
pull the code for you, and let us know what you get. BTW, the light on the
dash is something related to the EFI system. It could care less about the
ignition switch.

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Old 24 Jan 2005, 08:06 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"Jack" <jacksimpson@telus.net> wrote in message
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> We have a '95 Camry v-6 LE. Just recently, an indicator lamp comes on

full
> time (its the one on the dash with a picture of an engine with the word
> "CHECK" under it). Can someone tell me what this is trying to tell me and
> how do I go about checking it out myself?
>
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> [As a side note: the other day, with the key in the ignition and trying to
> start the car, the switch would not turn, as if jambed. I kept wiggling

it
> while making sure the shifter was in Park. After repeated key insertions
> and attempts to turn, it finally worked. Thinking that the internal guts
> were raw, I loaded it up with a spray lock lube and changed keys. It

hasn't
> faulted that way again since ..but on occasion my wife notices the key is
> hard to remove from the switch.
> I now wonder if somehow this lubeing(excessive?) I did might now be

causing
> the indicator lamp to come on?]
>

No, it's not likely the ignition switch. Most likely is that the O2 sensors
need replacing, but it could be something else. The only way to know is to
take it to a dealer or other repair shop that can read the computer codes.


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Old 24 Jan 2005, 08:42 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for the suggestions. Ok. I've been reading that I can pull the
(self diag) codes from the test terminal under the driver's side dash. I
believe when jumpered the readout will be in the form of flashes of the
indicator light in the display. If so, where can I get my code chart c/w
flash rates in order to narrow down the problem?
Jack




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> We have a '95 Camry v-6 LE. Just recently, an indicator lamp comes on
> full time (its the one on the dash with a picture of an engine with the
> word "CHECK" under it). Can someone tell me what this is trying to tell
> me and how do I go about checking it out myself?
>
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> [As a side note: the other day, with the key in the ignition and trying to
> start the car, the switch would not turn, as if jambed. I kept wiggling
> it while making sure the shifter was in Park. After repeated key
> insertions and attempts to turn, it finally worked. Thinking that the
> internal guts were raw, I loaded it up with a spray lock lube and changed
> keys. It hasn't faulted that way again since ..but on occasion my wife
> notices the key is hard to remove from the switch.
> I now wonder if somehow this lubeing(excessive?) I did might now be
> causing the indicator lamp to come on?]
>
>



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Old 24 Jan 2005, 08:54 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:54:10 +0000, Jack wrote:

> We have a '95 Camry v-6 LE. Just recently, an indicator lamp comes on full
> time (its the one on the dash with a picture of an engine with the word
> "CHECK" under it). Can someone tell me what this is trying to tell me and
> how do I go about checking it out myself?
>
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> [As a side note: the other day, with the key in the ignition and trying to
> start the car, the switch would not turn, as if jambed. I kept wiggling it
> while making sure the shifter was in Park. After repeated key insertions
> and attempts to turn, it finally worked. Thinking that the internal guts
> were raw, I loaded it up with a spray lock lube and changed keys. It hasn't
> faulted that way again since ..but on occasion my wife notices the key is
> hard to remove from the switch.
> I now wonder if somehow this lubeing(excessive?) I did might now be causing
> the indicator lamp to come on?]


1. not sure how to pull the codes from a '95 Camry, may be OBDII in which
case you'll need a reader to pull them, and they will be P codes. My '95
Tercel ,the cheapest car they sell in N.A. had P codes. Otherwise there is
a 'Diagnostic' plug under the hood, I don't know which pins to jumper but
it will flash the CHECK light to gove you the code.

2. You may have 'locked up' the steering column. This has happened on
Toyotas since they started installing the steering lock in the early 70's.
As the car 'relaxes' after parking, pressure is applied on the steering
gear. Move the steering whel slightly.

This URL will tell you how to access the codes:

http://www.troublecodes.net/Toyota/

Jumper terminals E1 and T1, turn the ingitioon ON without starting and
count the flashes.

This web site also has the P codes as well.
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Old 24 Jan 2005, 10:21 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Hey, thanks very much for the diag info. I will also check out the locking
mechanism in the steering as well. Now that I'm thinking of it, the
steering wheel mis-position makes sense.
In the meantime I managed to get my grubby hands on a Haynes manual and it
makes reference to years '92-'96 with all using the flashing light method
(pre OBDII). It also seems the emissions label makes no reference to OBDII
as this is an early Canadian car.
Jack


"hachiroku" <hachiroku@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:54:10 +0000, Jack wrote:
>
>> We have a '95 Camry v-6 LE. Just recently, an indicator lamp comes on
>> full
>> time (its the one on the dash with a picture of an engine with the word
>> "CHECK" under it). Can someone tell me what this is trying to tell me
>> and
>> how do I go about checking it out myself?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>> [As a side note: the other day, with the key in the ignition and trying
>> to
>> start the car, the switch would not turn, as if jambed. I kept wiggling
>> it
>> while making sure the shifter was in Park. After repeated key insertions
>> and attempts to turn, it finally worked. Thinking that the internal guts
>> were raw, I loaded it up with a spray lock lube and changed keys. It
>> hasn't
>> faulted that way again since ..but on occasion my wife notices the key
>> is
>> hard to remove from the switch.
>> I now wonder if somehow this lubeing(excessive?) I did might now be
>> causing
>> the indicator lamp to come on?]

>
> 1. not sure how to pull the codes from a '95 Camry, may be OBDII in which
> case you'll need a reader to pull them, and they will be P codes. My '95
> Tercel ,the cheapest car they sell in N.A. had P codes. Otherwise there is
> a 'Diagnostic' plug under the hood, I don't know which pins to jumper but
> it will flash the CHECK light to gove you the code.
>
> 2. You may have 'locked up' the steering column. This has happened on
> Toyotas since they started installing the steering lock in the early 70's.
> As the car 'relaxes' after parking, pressure is applied on the steering
> gear. Move the steering whel slightly.
>
> This URL will tell you how to access the codes:
>
> http://www.troublecodes.net/Toyota/
>
> Jumper terminals E1 and T1, turn the ingitioon ON without starting and
> count the flashes.
>
> This web site also has the P codes as well.



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Old 25 Jan 2005, 08:14 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:21:51 +0000, Jack wrote:

> Hey, thanks very much for the diag info. I will also check out the locking
> mechanism in the steering as well. Now that I'm thinking of it, the
> steering wheel mis-position makes sense.
> In the meantime I managed to get my grubby hands on a Haynes manual and it
> makes reference to years '92-'96 with all using the flashing light method
> (pre OBDII). It also seems the emissions label makes no reference to OBDII
> as this is an early Canadian car.
> Jack


Not a problem! Glad to help. That's why I come here! (er, and perhaps to
garner a little info myself?

Canadian, eh? I used to go to Toronto a lot, and my '88 Supra is a
Canadian model. (or, uh, did you mean an early *Made* in Canada model???)

I got it just before Thanksgiving and it has a Metric Speedo. Interesting.
And I can't figure why *anyone* would want to set the Climate Control to
27 degrees!!!

>
>
> "hachiroku" <hachiroku@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> newsan.2005.01.25.02.37.32.860506@AE86.gts...
>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:54:10 +0000, Jack wrote:
>>
>>> We have a '95 Camry v-6 LE. Just recently, an indicator lamp comes on
>>> full
>>> time (its the one on the dash with a picture of an engine with the word
>>> "CHECK" under it). Can someone tell me what this is trying to tell me
>>> and
>>> how do I go about checking it out myself?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> [As a side note: the other day, with the key in the ignition and trying
>>> to
>>> start the car, the switch would not turn, as if jambed. I kept wiggling
>>> it
>>> while making sure the shifter was in Park. After repeated key insertions
>>> and attempts to turn, it finally worked. Thinking that the internal guts
>>> were raw, I loaded it up with a spray lock lube and changed keys. It
>>> hasn't
>>> faulted that way again since ..but on occasion my wife notices the key
>>> is
>>> hard to remove from the switch.
>>> I now wonder if somehow this lubeing(excessive?) I did might now be
>>> causing
>>> the indicator lamp to come on?]

>>
>> 1. not sure how to pull the codes from a '95 Camry, may be OBDII in which
>> case you'll need a reader to pull them, and they will be P codes. My '95
>> Tercel ,the cheapest car they sell in N.A. had P codes. Otherwise there is
>> a 'Diagnostic' plug under the hood, I don't know which pins to jumper but
>> it will flash the CHECK light to gove you the code.
>>
>> 2. You may have 'locked up' the steering column. This has happened on
>> Toyotas since they started installing the steering lock in the early 70's.
>> As the car 'relaxes' after parking, pressure is applied on the steering
>> gear. Move the steering whel slightly.
>>
>> This URL will tell you how to access the codes:
>>
>> http://www.troublecodes.net/Toyota/
>>
>> Jumper terminals E1 and T1, turn the ingitioon ON without starting and
>> count the flashes.
>>
>> This web site also has the P codes as well.


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Old 27 Jan 2005, 06:05 pm   #8 (permalink)
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Hah. Yep, and the car was probably built in Canada too. You'll get use to
using a metric guage as the US will probably go that way eventually.

BTW, the ignition lock problem: seems the ignition lock might be alright and
now think it has something to do with the steering lock instead as rotating
of the S wheel will not initiate the locking device. That could be the
reason why the key is jamming in the cylinder(?) Perhaps there is floating
debris causing the lock to jam or such. Are you familiar with repairing (or
totally disabling) the steering lock? How hard is it to get at to fix?
What about precautions with the air bag mechanism?

As for the code check. I'm still wondering if the trouble lamp is related
to the ignition lock problem.
Anyway, seems the paperclip/flashing light deal doesn't work on this car so
it must be OBD2. Unfortunately, the local shops won't retrieve the code for
me unless they get the whole job of troubleshooting my problem. "Clsoed
shop" in this small town? One exception is the dealer and I just hate going
there as they end up making more trouble than they solve ..with a
rediculous price to match ..I feel like taking a shower after I leave
there. They want just under $100 to retrieve any codes! I'd rather figure
out a way of doing it myself as that's why I'm researching this NG in the
first place.

Thanks
Jack


"hachiroku" <hachiroku@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:21:51 +0000, Jack wrote:
>
>> Hey, thanks very much for the diag info. I will also check out the
>> locking
>> mechanism in the steering as well. Now that I'm thinking of it, the
>> steering wheel mis-position makes sense.
>> In the meantime I managed to get my grubby hands on a Haynes manual and
>> it
>> makes reference to years '92-'96 with all using the flashing light method
>> (pre OBDII). It also seems the emissions label makes no reference to
>> OBDII
>> as this is an early Canadian car.
>> Jack

>
> Not a problem! Glad to help. That's why I come here! (er, and perhaps to
> garner a little info myself?
>
> Canadian, eh? I used to go to Toronto a lot, and my '88 Supra is a
> Canadian model. (or, uh, did you mean an early *Made* in Canada model???)
>
> I got it just before Thanksgiving and it has a Metric Speedo. Interesting.
> And I can't figure why *anyone* would want to set the Climate Control to
> 27 degrees!!!
>
>>
>>
>> "hachiroku" <hachiroku@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> newsan.2005.01.25.02.37.32.860506@AE86.gts...
>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:54:10 +0000, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have a '95 Camry v-6 LE. Just recently, an indicator lamp comes on
>>>> full
>>>> time (its the one on the dash with a picture of an engine with the word
>>>> "CHECK" under it). Can someone tell me what this is trying to tell me
>>>> and
>>>> how do I go about checking it out myself?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jack
>>>>
>>>> [As a side note: the other day, with the key in the ignition and trying
>>>> to
>>>> start the car, the switch would not turn, as if jambed. I kept
>>>> wiggling
>>>> it
>>>> while making sure the shifter was in Park. After repeated key
>>>> insertions
>>>> and attempts to turn, it finally worked. Thinking that the internal
>>>> guts
>>>> were raw, I loaded it up with a spray lock lube and changed keys. It
>>>> hasn't
>>>> faulted that way again since ..but on occasion my wife notices the key
>>>> is
>>>> hard to remove from the switch.
>>>> I now wonder if somehow this lubeing(excessive?) I did might now be
>>>> causing
>>>> the indicator lamp to come on?]
>>>
>>> 1. not sure how to pull the codes from a '95 Camry, may be OBDII in
>>> which
>>> case you'll need a reader to pull them, and they will be P codes. My '95
>>> Tercel ,the cheapest car they sell in N.A. had P codes. Otherwise there
>>> is
>>> a 'Diagnostic' plug under the hood, I don't know which pins to jumper
>>> but
>>> it will flash the CHECK light to gove you the code.
>>>
>>> 2. You may have 'locked up' the steering column. This has happened on
>>> Toyotas since they started installing the steering lock in the early
>>> 70's.
>>> As the car 'relaxes' after parking, pressure is applied on the steering
>>> gear. Move the steering whel slightly.
>>>
>>> This URL will tell you how to access the codes:
>>>
>>> http://www.troublecodes.net/Toyota/
>>>
>>> Jumper terminals E1 and T1, turn the ingitioon ON without starting and
>>> count the flashes.
>>>
>>> This web site also has the P codes as well.

>



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