Adding a filter to my 94 V6 power steering

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Old 15 Feb 2005, 02:54 am   #1 (permalink)
Geoff
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Default Adding a filter to my 94 V6 power steering

Hi all,

I've often wondered if this was worth doing. I had a Tarago for many years
and wondered about it then too.

Have I had the 94 Camry too long now to bother with a filter on the power
steering?

Now Phil, flame me if you like, but I would be very interested in your
opinion on this.

Geoff


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Old 15 Feb 2005, 08:44 am   #2 (permalink)
Daniel
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My 1984 Mercedes 380SEL had a replaceable pleated paper filter in the
power steering reservoir.
More than thinking about adding one to my 1994 Camry LE, alerted me to
the importance of keeping the fluid clean by changing it regularly.
The Mercedes had a recirculating ball type steering.
The Toyota has rack and pinion.
Could be with fewer moving parts, there is less mechanical wear.
Seems the primary concern with Toyota is leaking seals.
I would never invite Phil to flame me, but that's why I've been using
the Lucas power steering fix as preventative maintenance, mixed with
Mobil 1 synthetic ATF.
I know Phil's (strong) preference is for power steering fluid, but even
with his explanations about factory fill and expediency, I prefer to
stay with the specified fluid designation per Toyota service
literature.
Just my opinion. He may be right. Makes sense you don't need friction
modifiers in power steering.

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Old 15 Feb 2005, 09:54 am   #3 (permalink)
Philip
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Daniel wrote:
> My 1984 Mercedes 380SEL had a replaceable pleated paper filter in the
> power steering reservoir.
> More than thinking about adding one to my 1994 Camry LE, alerted me to
> the importance of keeping the fluid clean by changing it regularly.
> The Mercedes had a recirculating ball type steering.
> The Toyota has rack and pinion.
> Could be with fewer moving parts, there is less mechanical wear.
> Seems the primary concern with Toyota is leaking seals.
> I would never invite Phil to flame me, but that's why I've been using
> the Lucas power steering fix as preventative maintenance, mixed with
> Mobil 1 synthetic ATF.
> I know Phil's (strong) preference is for power steering fluid, but
> even with his explanations about factory fill and expediency, I
> prefer to stay with the specified fluid designation per Toyota service
> literature.
> Just my opinion. He may be right. Makes sense you don't need friction
> modifiers in power steering.


It's a loving benevolent warmth I deliver. I've cremated the few and the
deserving. >;^)

But let me point out your own admissions. You "...prefer to stay with the
specified fluid designation per Toyota service literature." *while*
"...using the Lucas power steering fix as preventative maintenance, mixed
with Mobil 1 synthetic ATF".

Now ...

1) Toyota does not use Dexron III fluid for OEM fill

2) Toyota does not recommend synthetic ATF

3) Toyota does not recommend any additives in the steering system.

4) Hell ... Toyota does not schedule power steering fluid changes at all.

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- Philip




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Old 15 Feb 2005, 03:54 pm   #4 (permalink)
Daniel
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Often read about power steering pump and rack replacements - costly.
So far, so good.
Obviously the owner's manual and factory service guide do not say "We
use BG power steering fluid, but you can substitute ATF because it is
easier to find." They just call for Dexron. in my older book, I think
it's Dexron II. Synthetic is fully compatible as is the Lucas.
Not one drop from the steering gear or pump so far, and when I began
this regimen the steering response improved for quick motions at low
speed.
Works for me.
However, I also make sure the tires are moving when turning the wheel.
Don't believe I ever hold the car stationary with the brakes and crank
over the steering wheel to full lock while the pump whines in complaint.

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Old 16 Feb 2005, 12:22 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Daniel" <nospampls2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I also make sure the tires are moving when turning the wheel.
> Don't believe I ever hold the car stationary with the brakes and crank
> over the steering wheel to full lock while the pump whines in complaint.


Yeah,..the mechanic at work used to go ballistic if he saw anyone wrenching
a vehicle to full-lock while stationary,...but, lets face it, its often
needed in those situations when some idiot parks you in. Altho a transfer
case ( select LOW) and a bull-bar would be better!

Jason


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Old 16 Feb 2005, 12:36 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Jason James wrote:
> Yeah,..the mechanic at work used to go ballistic if he saw anyone
> wrenching a vehicle to full-lock while stationary,...but, lets face


If you only go against the stop very lightly then there is little chance of
mechanical damage. If you force the steering wheel against the stop you
aren't moving the wheels any farther than you were with the very light touch
against the stop but are increasing the pressure in the P.S. system,
sometimes to the point of damage. So, you aren't gaining any decrease in
turning radiuus but are damaging components in the P.S. system. The least
damaging is a slipping belt which you can hear as a squeeling noise. This
wears belts and pullies prematurely. The damage you don't hear or see is
internal components in the high pressure system, ie: pump, valves, hoses and
etc. Sometimes you can hear a roar from the pump, especially right before it
fails.
Your mechanic is right in not wanting you to do this.
HTH, davidj92


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Old 16 Feb 2005, 04:09 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"davidj92" <davidj92@sigecom.net> wrote in message
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> Jason James wrote:
> > Yeah,..the mechanic at work used to go ballistic if he saw anyone
> > wrenching a vehicle to full-lock while stationary,...but, lets face

>
> If you only go against the stop very lightly then there is little chance

of
> mechanical damage. If you force the steering wheel against the stop you
> aren't moving the wheels any farther than you were with the very light

touch
> against the stop but are increasing the pressure in the P.S. system,
> sometimes to the point of damage. So, you aren't gaining any decrease in
> turning radiuus but are damaging components in the P.S. system. The least
> damaging is a slipping belt which you can hear as a squeeling noise. This
> wears belts and pullies prematurely. The damage you don't hear or see is
> internal components in the high pressure system, ie: pump, valves, hoses

and
> etc. Sometimes you can hear a roar from the pump, especially right before

it
> fails.
> Your mechanic is right in not wanting you to do this.
> HTH, davidj92


Good point about trying to push past the stops,...I notice on cars which
were originally released as unassisted recirculating ball-steering often
had no beefing up of the idler-arm when switched to power-steering boxes.
These idler arms then started to fail at much shorter intervals as drivers
used the PS more often in parking manouvers ( lock to lock).

The Ford Falcon and Chrysler Valiant with PS used to go thru idlers like
crazy,..tierod ends and B/joints seemed unaffected by comparison.

Jason


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Old 17 Feb 2005, 11:30 am   #8 (permalink)
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Jason James wrote:
> which were originally released as unassisted recirculating
> ball-steering often had no beefing up of the idler-arm when switched
> to power-steering boxes. These idler arms then started to fail at
> much shorter intervals as drivers used the PS more often in parking
> manouvers ( lock to lock).
>
> The Ford Falcon and Chrysler Valiant with PS used to go thru idlers
> like crazy,..tierod ends and B/joints seemed unaffected by comparison.
>
> Jason


Right, I forgot about the extra force on the swivel joints. If the steering
is against a stop the the extra pressure will flex these parts more than
they are designed for and as you state if they are under-designed then that
contribute even more to failure.
davidj92


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Old 17 Feb 2005, 12:54 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Hi I added a power steering filter to the return (low pressure side)
of my girlfriends 82 Toyota Cressida. I bought it at Allied auto parts
in Pasadena. It was 20 bucks and was very big. The pepboys guy didn't
carry it. I bought more 3/8 fuel hose and some clamps and put it in
the return line to the reservoir. She had a whining noise before I put
on the filter and after the noise was gone. I'm assuming there were
some metal pieces and also the power steering pump probably generates
some plastic pieces, so it there is no filter then they will circulate
and wear your system right? Her power steering seemed to get alittle
weaker though, but I think it is a good maitenance thing because how do
you get all particles out of steering oil. Pepboys guy said not to use
a fuel filter because it will clog too fast and blow out hoses.

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