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Old 16 Feb 2005, 12:30 pm   #1 (permalink)
Jason James
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Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older folks who like to
car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the Camry in years gone-by and dont
look like switching, has caused the Camry to be somehow tainted as an
uninspiring vehicle.

Personally I couldn't care-less but, I think on a technical level this is
bullshit. The only thing on the car which can be likened to being functional
only with no regard to 'feel' is the clutch. It is too long a throw, and
tooo indistinct, making well-matched rev-changes difficult,....or is it just
my car?

Jason ('96 manual)


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Old 16 Feb 2005, 12:42 pm   #2 (permalink)
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In article <37hhjqF5ci0gsU1@individual.net>,
"Jason James" <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older folks who like to
> car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the Camry in years gone-by and dont
> look like switching, has caused the Camry to be somehow tainted as an
> uninspiring vehicle.
>
> Personally I couldn't care-less but, I think on a technical level this is
> bullshit. The only thing on the car which can be likened to being functional
> only with no regard to 'feel' is the clutch. It is too long a throw, and
> tooo indistinct, making well-matched rev-changes difficult,....or is it just
> my car?
>
> Jason ('96 manual)


I'd have to agree. I'm older and just inherited my dad's 2002 LE when
he quit driving. It has 20k miles and it is *very* boring to drive
around town. It has little pep, it's extremely difficult to see over
the trunk to the rear end (where are those wheels?--I usually have no
problem adapting to where the wheels and corners of a vehicle are
located), and the interior is blah. It's also much too big (unless you
regularly have 2 people in the back seat and need a ton of trunk space).

Then again, I looked at a *lot* of vehicles when I was new car shopping
last year. The vast majority are boring. Some of the peppy sports car
type sedans are OK, but most were totally blah. The Camry is a *treat*
when you actually get out on a road and have to drive a ways--it's super
smooth.

But I've just adapted; it's fine for a basic car but pretty boring.
When I want some driving thrills, I hop on the Ducati.
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Old 16 Feb 2005, 12:52 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Jason James wrote:
> Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older folks who
> like to car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the Camry in years
> gone-by and dont look like switching, has caused the Camry to be
> somehow tainted as an uninspiring vehicle.
>
> Personally I couldn't care-less but, I think on a technical level
> this is bullshit. The only thing on the car which can be likened to
> being functional only with no regard to 'feel' is the clutch. It is
> too long a throw, and tooo indistinct, making well-matched
> rev-changes difficult,....or is it just my car?
>
> Jason ('96 manual)


Jason,
Are you just trying to say you can't afford a new Camry? I don't blame you
for wanting one as Toyota redesigned it to attract a younger market, which,
judging by your post, I assume you are.
As I like to think of myself as an old fart, I guess I'm one of the
"conservative types (read older folks..." you refer to, although I don't
like to car-pool or lawn bowl. Can't stand all the bitching when I want to
race someone. (Wanna race? Makes me feel "inspired".)
I feel your pain on the outdated body style, my '97 Camry (read my older
folk wife's) is an automatic but, I'll bet it will out-run your '96 w/manual
and an ace-fireball manual shifter behind the wheel. (You are an
ace-fireball shifter aren't you?)
My Camry had this "technical level" malfunction you speak of but,
fortunately it was under warranty at the time so they fixed it free. :-D
davidj92


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Old 16 Feb 2005, 12:55 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"Big Kahuna" <none@nothanks.com> wrote in message news:none-577B53.10425516022005@news.stanford.edu...

> In article <37hhjqF5ci0gsU1@individual.net>,
> "Jason James" <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:
>

>> Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older folks who like to
>> car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the Camry in years gone-by and dont
>> look like switching, has caused the Camry to be somehow tainted as an
>> uninspiring vehicle.

> It's also much too big (unless you
> regularly have 2 people in the back seat and need a ton of trunk space).
>

"much too big?? Man, you haven't owned any "big" cars until you've had a Roadmaster or Town Car!!
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Old 16 Feb 2005, 12:55 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Big Kahuna" <none@nothanks.com> wrote in message news:none-> I'd have to
agree. I'm older and just inherited my dad's 2002 LE when
> he quit driving. It has 20k miles and it is *very* boring to drive
> around town. It has little pep, it's extremely difficult to see over
> the trunk to the rear end (where are those wheels?--I usually have no
> problem adapting to where the wheels and corners of a vehicle are
> located), and the interior is blah. It's also much too big (unless you
> regularly have 2 people in the back seat and need a ton of trunk space).
>
> Then again, I looked at a *lot* of vehicles when I was new car shopping
> last year. The vast majority are boring. Some of the peppy sports car
> type sedans are OK, but most were totally blah. The Camry is a *treat*
> when you actually get out on a road and have to drive a ways--it's super
> smooth.
>
> But I've just adapted; it's fine for a basic car but pretty boring.
> When I want some driving thrills, I hop on the Ducati.


Something tells me you are a bit smaller than average size.

Yes, Camry's are boring, because you don't have to worry as much about
mechanical problems as most other cars. That is the kind of boring that many
people are looking for.


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Old 16 Feb 2005, 01:34 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"Mark A" wrote:

>Something tells me you are a bit smaller than average size.


>Yes, Camry's are boring, because you don't have to worry as much about
>mechanical problems as most other cars. That is the kind of boring that
>many people are looking for.


Nope,

I'm 6'2" and 180lbs. I don't think that makes me smaller than average.
And I don't consider "mechanical problems" as the excitement that makes
a car. Problems are related to reliability--not excitement or
"boringness." I'm talking about pep, road feel, interior layout.

"Jason James" wrote:

>"much too big?? Man, you haven't owned any "big" cars until you've had
>a Roadmaster or Town Car!!


Point taken: most Americans are obsessed with huge, gas guzzling cars.
I think those are pretty obscene in 90% of the cases.

Still, unless you need to haul around passengers or gear, the Camry is
pretty big. Even when you compare it to the Camrys from 5, 10, and 15
years ago...it seems to get larger with each remake.

I drive solo 95% of the time. Something the size of a 3 series bmw,
audi a-4, or even a Civic is fine size-wise.

And of course, my Ducati Monster is "just right!" Hahaha.
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Old 16 Feb 2005, 02:01 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Jason James wrote:
> Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older folks who
> like to car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the Camry in years
> gone-by and dont look like switching, has caused the Camry to be
> somehow tainted as an uninspiring vehicle.
>
> Personally I couldn't care-less but, I think on a technical level
> this is bullshit. The only thing on the car which can be likened to
> being functional only with no regard to 'feel' is the clutch. It is
> too long a throw, and tooo indistinct, making well-matched
> rev-changes difficult,....or is it just my car?
>
> Jason ('96 manual)


Maybe it is just YOU. Try setting the seat a notch closer up and perhaps
setting the seat back a notch more vertical. Cars with hydraulic actuated
clutches often benefit from a fluid flush at the slave cylinder.
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- Philip
(linehaul driver, retired)











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Old 16 Feb 2005, 02:01 pm   #8 (permalink)
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Big Kahuna wrote:
> In article <37hhjqF5ci0gsU1@individual.net>,
> "Jason James" <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older folks who
>> like to car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the Camry in years
>> gone-by and dont look like switching, has caused the Camry to be
>> somehow tainted as an uninspiring vehicle.
>>
>> Personally I couldn't care-less but, I think on a technical level
>> this is bullshit. The only thing on the car which can be likened to
>> being functional only with no regard to 'feel' is the clutch. It is
>> too long a throw, and tooo indistinct, making well-matched
>> rev-changes difficult,....or is it just my car?
>>
>> Jason ('96 manual)

>
> I'd have to agree. I'm older and just inherited my dad's 2002 LE when
> he quit driving. It has 20k miles and it is *very* boring to drive
> around town. It has little pep, it's extremely difficult to see over
> the trunk to the rear end (where are those wheels?--I usually have no
> problem adapting to where the wheels and corners of a vehicle are
> located), and the interior is blah. It's also much too big (unless
> you regularly have 2 people in the back seat and need a ton of trunk
> space).
>
> Then again, I looked at a *lot* of vehicles when I was new car
> shopping
> last year. The vast majority are boring. Some of the peppy sports
> car
> type sedans are OK, but most were totally blah. The Camry is a
> *treat*
> when you actually get out on a road and have to drive a ways--it's
> super smooth.
>
> But I've just adapted; it's fine for a basic car but pretty boring.
> When I want some driving thrills, I hop on the Ducati.


Be careful .... those Ducatis get pissed off at their riders and do toss the
rider on the ground.

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- Philip



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Old 16 Feb 2005, 02:15 pm   #9 (permalink)
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"davidj92" <davidj92@sigecom.net> wrote in message
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> Jason James wrote:
> > Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older folks who
> > like to car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the Camry in years
> > gone-by and dont look like switching, has caused the Camry to be
> > somehow tainted as an uninspiring vehicle.
> >
> > Personally I couldn't care-less but, I think on a technical level
> > this is bullshit. The only thing on the car which can be likened to
> > being functional only with no regard to 'feel' is the clutch. It is
> > too long a throw, and tooo indistinct, making well-matched
> > rev-changes difficult,....or is it just my car?
> >
> > Jason ('96 manual)

>
> Jason,
> Are you just trying to say you can't afford a new Camry? I don't blame you
> for wanting one as Toyota redesigned it to attract a younger market,

which,
> judging by your post, I assume you are.


Nah,...past 50, but that doesn't mean I automatically want to shell out more
money for a newer car.



> As I like to think of myself as an old fart, I guess I'm one of the
> "conservative types (read older folks..." you refer to, although I don't
> like to car-pool or lawn bowl. Can't stand all the bitching when I want to
> race someone. (Wanna race? Makes me feel "inspired".)
> I feel your pain on the outdated body style, my '97 Camry (read my older
> folk wife's) is an automatic but, I'll bet it will out-run your '96

w/manual
> and an ace-fireball manual shifter behind the wheel. (You are an
> ace-fireball shifter aren't you?)


Huh? Where did all this come from?


> My Camry had this "technical level" malfunction you speak of but,
> fortunately it was under warranty at the time so they fixed it free. :-D
> davidj92


So you're saying the long-throw clutch was a fault?

Jason


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Old 16 Feb 2005, 02:22 pm   #10 (permalink)
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Jason James wrote:
> Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older folks who
> like to car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the Camry in years
> gone-by and dont look like switching, has caused the Camry to be
> somehow tainted as an uninspiring vehicle.


My sister had a 1995 Camry XLE V6 automatic and hated it. She seriously
felt it was uncontrollable and "unsafe" to drive because of the lack of
road feel. Eventually she gave up on it and bought a Honda S2000, which
she loves and drives everywhere with the top down, regardless of
weather.

My view is that her Camry was a joy to drive. It was quiet, the seats
were great, and a 600 mile / day road trip wasn't a problem. Even the
factory head unit / CD player sounded OK with the stock speakers. OTOH,
her Honda is rough riding and I'm tired after only a two hour trip. You
can't hear the stereo with the top down (even with a power amp and new
speakers in the front -- and back). Not that I drive the car with the
top down, because it is too windy and noisy and messes up my hair...what
little there is left of it.

As in all things in life, YMMV.


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