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Old 22 Feb 2005, 09:43 am   #1 (permalink)
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hey all...

goto start my '94 camry this morning and it wont start. i drove it 12 hours
ago and it seemed fine. when i put the key in and turn to the accessories,
all the lights and everything comes on. so the battery doesnt seem drained.
when i try to start the engine, i hear it trying to turn it over. theres no
"clicking" but the actual chatter or whatever its called.. the way it
usually sounds right before the engine starts.
tested the battery, it reads 12.55v. tested it while engaging the starter
and the voltage drops down to about 10.45v. i dont think thats a significant
drop in voltage to indicate a bad battery, but i'm not a mechanic. i'm a
computer geek. :P
i tried jumping it with my gf's dad's 5.8L v8 dodge hemi truck with no
success.

all the terminals everywhere seem clean enough, the engine is kept clean.
the battery was replaced ~4 years ago. the starter and alternator were
rebuilt about ~4 years ago too. distributor cap & rotor are about a year
old. any chance thats whats causing the problem?

this might be useful info: a few weeks ago when the temp dropped to about 0
degrees F, the car wouldnt start at all either. didnt even get chatter then,
only clicking. tried jumping it with two different cars with no success.
waited till the next day when the sun was out and the temp was much warmer,
jumped it, and it started! this was a few weeks ago and i havent had any
more problems until now.. i'd really like to believe that its only the
battery but if its the starter, how difficult is it to do a DIY job on it?
i've done only minor maintenance and repairs but am eager to learn more.

any comments or troubleshooting ideas will be greatly appreciated.

thanks

-elric-
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Old 22 Feb 2005, 11:15 am   #2 (permalink)
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sorry@no_email.com wrote:
> hey all...
>
> goto start my '94 camry this morning and it wont start. i drove it 12
> hours ago and it seemed fine. when i put the key in and turn to the
> accessories, all the lights and everything comes on. so the battery
> doesnt seem drained. when i try to start the engine, i hear it trying
> to turn it over. theres no "clicking" but the actual chatter or
> whatever its called.. the way it usually sounds right before the
> engine starts.
> tested the battery, it reads 12.55v. tested it while engaging the
> starter and the voltage drops down to about 10.45v. i dont think
> thats a significant drop in voltage to indicate a bad battery, but
> i'm not a mechanic. i'm a computer geek. :P
> i tried jumping it with my gf's dad's 5.8L v8 dodge hemi truck with no
> success.
>
> all the terminals everywhere seem clean enough, the engine is kept
> clean. the battery was replaced ~4 years ago. the starter and
> alternator were rebuilt about ~4 years ago too. distributor cap &
> rotor are about a year old. any chance thats whats causing the
> problem?
>
> this might be useful info: a few weeks ago when the temp dropped to
> about 0 degrees F, the car wouldnt start at all either. didnt even
> get chatter then, only clicking. tried jumping it with two different
> cars with no success. waited till the next day when the sun was out
> and the temp was much warmer, jumped it, and it started! this was a
> few weeks ago and i havent had any more problems until now.. i'd
> really like to believe that its only the battery but if its the
> starter, how difficult is it to do a DIY job on it? i've done only
> minor maintenance and repairs but am eager to learn more.
>
> any comments or troubleshooting ideas will be greatly appreciated.
>
> thanks
>
> -elric-


The Dodge wouldn't start it because they don't have enough power for a
Toyota. You probably have a bad battery that can't take the load of the
starter. Since the weather has turned cold I have seen lots of
batteries go bad, including mine. The starter is easy to replace. I
doubt it is the starter because I thought mine was bad and replaced it
to no avail. I was lucky to be able to return it since it was installed
already. Fortunately the terminals were in a different place and I
claimed it wasn't a direct replacement. If your car still starts take
it to Advance Auto or the like and they can hook up a diagnostic machine
to tell you exactly what is bad.



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Old 22 Feb 2005, 01:59 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Could be a bad battery but check for corrosion on the battery terminals
first. This happened to me once and it was so embarassing when the AAA
tow guy pointed out the obvious.

Mitch

sorry@no_email.com wrote:
> hey all...
>
> goto start my '94 camry this morning and it wont start. i drove it 12 hours
> ago and it seemed fine. when i put the key in and turn to the accessories,
> all the lights and everything comes on. so the battery doesnt seem drained.
> when i try to start the engine, i hear it trying to turn it over. theres no
> "clicking" but the actual chatter or whatever its called.. the way it
> usually sounds right before the engine starts.
> tested the battery, it reads 12.55v. tested it while engaging the starter
> and the voltage drops down to about 10.45v. i dont think thats a significant
> drop in voltage to indicate a bad battery, but i'm not a mechanic. i'm a
> computer geek. :P
> i tried jumping it with my gf's dad's 5.8L v8 dodge hemi truck with no
> success.
>
> all the terminals everywhere seem clean enough, the engine is kept clean.
> the battery was replaced ~4 years ago. the starter and alternator were
> rebuilt about ~4 years ago too. distributor cap & rotor are about a year
> old. any chance thats whats causing the problem?
>
> this might be useful info: a few weeks ago when the temp dropped to about 0
> degrees F, the car wouldnt start at all either. didnt even get chatter then,
> only clicking. tried jumping it with two different cars with no success.
> waited till the next day when the sun was out and the temp was much warmer,
> jumped it, and it started! this was a few weeks ago and i havent had any
> more problems until now.. i'd really like to believe that its only the
> battery but if its the starter, how difficult is it to do a DIY job on it?
> i've done only minor maintenance and repairs but am eager to learn more.
>
> any comments or troubleshooting ideas will be greatly appreciated.
>
> thanks
>
> -elric-

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Old 22 Feb 2005, 04:12 pm   #4 (permalink)
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sorry@no_email.com wrote:
> hey all...
>
> i tried jumping it with my gf's dad's 5.8L v8 dodge hemi truck with no
> success.


The Dodge Hemi is a 4.7L, the 5.9L in a Dodge is a conventional head, a
wedge I think.
Whatever engine you have in your Toyota is a Hemi, that's all they've made
for some years.
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Old 22 Feb 2005, 04:21 pm   #5 (permalink)
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davidj92 wrote:
> sorry@no_email.com wrote:
>> hey all...
>>
>> i tried jumping it with my gf's dad's 5.8L v8 dodge hemi truck with
>> no success.

>
> The Dodge Hemi is a 4.7L, the 5.9L in a Dodge is a conventional head,
> a wedge I think.
> Whatever engine you have in your Toyota is a Hemi, that's all they've
> made for some years.
> davidj92


False. Four valve heads are not "hemispherical" in shape. The common term
for a four valve head is "pentroof."
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Old 22 Feb 2005, 08:04 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:43:13 +0000, sorry wrote:

> hey all...
>
> goto start my '94 camry this morning and it wont start. i drove it 12 hours
> ago and it seemed fine. when i put the key in and turn to the accessories,
> all the lights and everything comes on. so the battery doesnt seem drained.
> when i try to start the engine, i hear it trying to turn it over. theres no
> "clicking" but the actual chatter or whatever its called.. the way it
> usually sounds right before the engine starts.
> tested the battery, it reads 12.55v. tested it while engaging the starter
> and the voltage drops down to about 10.45v. i dont think thats a significant
> drop in voltage to indicate a bad battery, but i'm not a mechanic. i'm a
> computer geek. :P
> i tried jumping it with my gf's dad's 5.8L v8 dodge hemi truck with no
> success.
>
> all the terminals everywhere seem clean enough, the engine is kept clean.
> the battery was replaced ~4 years ago. the starter and alternator were
> rebuilt about ~4 years ago too. distributor cap & rotor are about a year
> old. any chance thats whats causing the problem?
>
> this might be useful info: a few weeks ago when the temp dropped to about 0
> degrees F, the car wouldnt start at all either. didnt even get chatter then,
> only clicking. tried jumping it with two different cars with no success.
> waited till the next day when the sun was out and the temp was much warmer,
> jumped it, and it started! this was a few weeks ago and i havent had any
> more problems until now.. i'd really like to believe that its only the
> battery but if its the starter, how difficult is it to do a DIY job on it?
> i've done only minor maintenance and repairs but am eager to learn more.
>
> any comments or troubleshooting ideas will be greatly appreciated.
>
> thanks
>
> -elric-


Let me see if'n I have this right: it cranks all normal like, but won't
start, correct. The engine spins just fine, but no go. That's what I'm
reading, correct?

You DON'T mention if you ever replaced the timing belt. With a broken belt
the thing will crank and crank and crank and not start.

I'm not familiar with the '94, and I believe it is distrbutorless. If it
DOES have a distributor with a rotor arm, you can rmove the distributor
cap (watching or marking which end is up, or #1 wire), crank the engine
and have someone watch the arm. If it doesn't move, that's it.

If it is distributorless, remove the upper part of the belt cover (the
black plastic cover on the front of the engine. You may not be able to
completely remove it, but you can remove the two top bolts and perhaps
loosen the ones further down. Use something to hold the cover away from
the engine (I use my fingers, but EXTREMELY CAREFULLY!!!!! Be cleear of
any moving parts, including the belt!!!) and see if the belt turns. If it
doesn't, or, even just removing the cover and looking at the belt, if it
looks cracked or crazed, you need a new belt. THey should be changed
60,000 miles, I have gone over 90,000 miles with my belts. Twice I tried
to push them to 120,000; twice I was stuck in the middle of nowhere with a
broken belt. Luckily, both times, tere WAS a cop when I needed one!!!
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Old 23 Feb 2005, 07:23 am   #7 (permalink)
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Philip wrote:
> davidj92 wrote:
>> sorry@no_email.com wrote:
>>> hey all...
>>>
>>> i tried jumping it with my gf's dad's 5.8L v8 dodge hemi truck with
>>> no success.

>>
>> The Dodge Hemi is a 4.7L, the 5.9L in a Dodge is a conventional head,
>> a wedge I think.
>> Whatever engine you have in your Toyota is a Hemi, that's all they've
>> made for some years.
>> davidj92

>
> False. Four valve heads are not "hemispherical" in shape. The
> common term for a four valve head is "pentroof."


I stand corrected on the terminolagy. The combustion characteristics are the
same as the hemi.


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Old 23 Feb 2005, 11:59 am   #8 (permalink)
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the timing belt was replaced maybe 30k miles ago.

update: replaced the distributor cap and put some valvoline water remover in
the gas tank. tried starting it again and again but now it even starts to
fire sometimes after crankin for a few seconds. its just not starting.
someone told me that maybe the spark plugs are flooded or moist or whatever
but then someone else said thats highly unlikely on a fuel injection.
any other ideas? thanks for the ones so far..

-elric-
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