Which is the best Camry year?

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Old 25 Sep 2005, 12:36 pm   #1 (permalink)
tbober
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Default Which is the best Camry year?

Well, let me qualify this a little better. Which is the best year for
the Camry for the least problems (as far as complaints on the NHTSA
website) AND owner satisfaction?

I currently own a 2005 Camry SE and have discovered serious problems
that others have also complained about to the NHTSA. The vehicle may
have to go back to Toyota. In any case, I still want a Camry because
I love it and donít care how old or used it is.

ALL comments are appreciated.

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Old 25 Sep 2005, 12:36 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Which is the best Camry year?

"tbober" wrote:
> Well, let me qualify this a little better. Which is the best
> year for the Camry for the least problems (as far as
> complaints on the NHTSA website) AND owner satisfaction?
>
> I currently own a 2005 Camry SE and have discovered serious
> problems that others have also complained about to the NHTSA.
> The vehicle may have to go back to Toyota. In any case, I
> still want a Camry because I love it and donít care how old or
> used it is.
>
> ALL comments are appreciated.


What exactly have your problems been? I own a 05 SE with a manual
trans, and I havenít had any issues. Am I missing something?
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Old 26 Sep 2005, 11:12 am   #3 (permalink)
Daniel
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Default Re: Which is the best Camry year?

Opinions will differ, but I would choose 1994 - 1996 four cylinder.

Later years may have improved (side) impact safety, but don't believe
you will find a higher percentage of overall owner satisfaction. Seemed
that everyone I spoke to was extremely pleased with their car,
including my mechanic whose daughter who came off a freeway embankment,
rolled the car, and walked away unharmed (he credited the air bag).
By now there are maintenance issues though, oil seals, etc., but you
said you didn't care about the age. If you could provide the labor, the
cost of the seals themselves is minimal.

Your '05 has the variable valve timing for more power.

Personally, I would also find the '94 - 96 Japan manufacture with the
"J" as the first letter in the VIN.

'94 was the first year of dual front air bags and CFC free 134a A/C
refrigerant

These (and the prior generation with the smaller engine size) are the
Camrys that people loved, "best car they've ever owned", never break
down, type comments that built the reputation of Camry in this country.

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Old 28 Sep 2005, 01:14 am   #4 (permalink)
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tbober wrote:
> The 1994 Camry has over 340 complaints of serious problems taken by
> the NHTSA. 1995 is the same and 1996 is much worse with over 470
> complaints. See:
> http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...aintsearch.cfm
> I was hoping for something where it is DOCUMENTED that it has FEWER
> serious problems than most other cars.


Shouldn't we divide the number of 'serious' complaints by the total number
of Camry's sold during that year, to be able to do a fair comparison with
other cars?
And I wonder how easy it is to separate 'serious' complaints from 'non
serious' ones...

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Old 28 Sep 2005, 01:21 am   #5 (permalink)
Luc Kumps
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Luc Kumps wrote:
> tbober wrote:
>> The 1994 Camry has over 340 complaints of serious problems taken by
>> the NHTSA. 1995 is the same and 1996 is much worse with over 470
>> complaints. See:
>> http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...aintsearch.cfm
>> I was hoping for something where it is DOCUMENTED that it has FEWER
>> serious problems than most other cars.

>
> Shouldn't we divide the number of 'serious' complaints by the total
> number of Camry's sold during that year, to be able to do a fair
> comparison with other cars?
> And I wonder how easy it is to separate 'serious' complaints from 'non
> serious' ones...


For example: if you look at the number of complaints for 1995 of the Lotus
Esprit, you'll find only ONE: "FIRE DUE TO FAILURE OF THE FUEL INJECTION
SYSTEM AT THE REAR OF FUEL RAIL".
Does that single complaint make the Lotus Esprit a car 340 times as reliable
as the Camry?

Luc K


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Old 28 Sep 2005, 11:12 am   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Which is the best Camry year?

So what is the ODI number to search for Camry.

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Old 28 Sep 2005, 11:42 am   #7 (permalink)
Daniel
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Me thinks you worry too much.
How about enjoying the 2005 SE?
I'm sure there's a ready resale market if you think you can find
something better.
Sounds like you're more of a Volvo kind of guy - just bring your
checkbook when you visit the mechanic.
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I remember when Consumer Reports reviewed my Cadillac. They listed all
sorts of complaints and problems - of which I had experienced none.
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Just do your own research, model by model on NHTSA's web site if that's
what floats your boat then report back after a few years to see if
you're pleased with the selection.
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As a home mechanic doing all my own mechanical work, I look at the
design and engineering aspects - and from my own observations, continue
to be impressed by the quality of the Toyota overall.
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Toyota Motor Company is the second largest automaker in the world,
profitable and well managed. I'd be surprised to discover their
worldwide increasing market share is built on dangerous or poor quality
"problematic" products.
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In my admittedly limited understanding, NHTSA primarily focuses on
crashworthiness - so as regulations are promulgated, the later model
years should have higher levels of compliance. Your 2005 should be
higher on their list than earlier years.
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My recommendation? Learn, practice and perfect The Smith System of
defensive driving, "the closest thing to an accident free guarantee."
Decades ago, Harold Smith studied long distance professional accident
free drivers and isolated and taught the characteristics that made them
exceptional. The principles are still valid today and well worth
studying.
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As always, just my opinion, you're free to differ.

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Old 28 Sep 2005, 12:28 pm   #8 (permalink)
Luc Kumps
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Daniel wrote:
> Just do your own research, model by model on NHTSA's web site if
> that's what floats your boat then report back after a few years to
> see if you're pleased with the selection.


Actually, I searched for the "safety recalls" of the Camry '94. I think the
result is quite funny...
It's almost a Laurel&Hardy movie scene (with Laurel handing over the
steering wheel to Hardy) :-)))

Luc K


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Old 09 Oct 2005, 03:21 pm   #9 (permalink)
Jerry Rioux
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Perhaps you need to put the Camry numbers into perspective and also
look at the recall numbers. The 1995 Camry has had only one recall.

The '95 Honda Accord has 606 complaints, though one of the first ones
on the list is "MICHELIN TIRE WENT FLAT DUE TO A CUT." Someone cut
his tire, so Honda is at fault? Anyway, the Accord has had two
recalls.

The Ford Taurus, for comparison, has had 6 recalls and 1521
complaints! Millions of Tauruses were recalled because the engine and
trans subframe could fall under the car! So quality is job what???

I'm sure glad that I bought a '95 Camry rather than a Taurus! It's
still a great car. Much better than my 2000 Dodge Caravan, which had
two problems in its first month - the clip for sun visor broke (and
was not covered bythe warranty for some reason) and passenger power
window failed (a recurring problem!).

I will probably never buy another American car.

On 27 Sep 2005 20:37:19 -0400, tbober <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com>
wrote:

>"" wrote:
> > Opinions will differ, but I would choose 1994 - 1996 four
> > cylinder.
> >
> > Later years may have improved (side) impact safety, but don't
> > believe
> > you will find a higher percentage of overall owner
> > satisfaction. Seemed
> > that everyone I spoke to was extremely pleased with their car,
> > including my mechanic whose daughter who came off a freeway
> > embankment,
> > rolled the car, and walked away unharmed (he credited the air
> > bag).
> > By now there are maintenance issues though, oil seals, etc.,
> > but you
> > said you didn't care about the age. If you could provide the
> > labor, the
> > cost of the seals themselves is minimal.
> >
> > Your '05 has the variable valve timing for more power.
> >
> > Personally, I would also find the '94 - 96 Japan manufacture
> > with the
> > "J" as the first letter in the VIN.
> >
> > '94 was the first year of dual front air bags and CFC free
> > 134a A/C
> > refrigerant
> >
> > These (and the prior generation with the smaller engine size)
> > are the
> > Camrys that people loved, "best car they've ever owned", never
> > break
> > down, type comments that built the reputation of Camry in
> > this country.

>
>The 1994 Camry has over 340 complaints of serious problems taken by
>the NHTSA. 1995 is the same and 1996 is much worse with over 470
>complaints. See:
>http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...aintsearch.cfm
>I was hoping for something where it is DOCUMENTED that it has FEWER
>serious problems than most other cars.

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