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Old 28 Sep 2005, 11:36 am   #1 (permalink)
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"Fourmiler" wrote:
> People are going to complain that is a fact. Most are
> imaginary complaints Don't base a car on these. Compare to
> other manufactors complaints and see.
>
> Justin, to let you know I have a 05 Camry built in Japan. Its
> a SE with a 5 speed manual. All manual Camry's are made in
> Japan, automatics are made in Alabama or some other spot down
> there.


Actually, Fourmiler, the Camry manuals are made in Sri Lanka even
though it says made in Japan. They donít even have Toyota dealers
there. Itís kind of weird. They all drive Morris Minors.
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Old 28 Sep 2005, 11:37 am   #2 (permalink)
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"tbober" wrote
> The 1994 Camry has over 340 complaints of serious problems
> taken by the NHTSA. 1995 is the same and 1996 is much worse
> with over 470 complaints. See:
> http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...aintsearch.cfm
> I was hoping for something where it is DOCUMENTED that it has
> FEWER serious problems than most other cars


People are going to complain that is a fact. Most are imaginary
complaints Donít base a car on these. Compare to other manufactors
complaints and see.

Justin, to let you know I have a 05 Camry built in Japan. Its a SE
with a 5 speed manual. All manual Camryís are made in Japan,
automatics are made in Alabama or some other spot down there.

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Old 28 Sep 2005, 01:38 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"tbober" wrote
> Actually, Fourmiler, the Camry manuals are made in Sri Lanka
> even though it says made in Japan. They don't even have
> Toyota dealers there. It's kind of weird. They all drive
> Morris Minors


LOL talk about a multi national company!!!
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Old 30 Sep 2005, 12:35 am   #4 (permalink)
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"Fourmiler" wrote:
> LOL talk about a multi national company!!!


LOL, just kidding (about Sri Lanka). That was just for the benefit of
Fourmiler to see if he (or she?) would come back with some ACTUAL
FACTS saying I was crazy! I did this because he said, "People are
going to complain that is a fact. Most are imaginary complaints."
The fact is that the NHTSA relies on complaints to require recalls
forcing auto manufacturers to make cars safer! I highly respect the
people who take the time to fill out complaint reports. Some of them
have even sustained injuries. Some of them are even families of those
who have died in accidents. YOU drive a safer car due to THEIR
efforts.

Last year, I was looking at Consumer Reports at the marks they gave
the recent Camrys. They rated their transmissions with the highest
scores. I donít know how they concluded this. The NHTSA and many
other sources list scores of complaints about the recent Camry
transmissions; it seems MORE than any other car in history. Even
Toyota has TSBs (Technical Service Bulletins) that relate to
transmission problems. My point is, again, you should check your
FACTS, and SOURCES, before making remarks.

nospampls20021: So what is the ODI number to search for Camry? It
lists all ODI numbers by vehicle year, make and model. Iím not sure
that answers your question. The NHTSA regulates, and are the only
ones that regulate and enforce every aspect of automotive safety.
They wrote and enforce the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and
Regulations. They are a part of the U.S. Department of
Transportation.

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards:
Standard No. 101 Controls and Displays
Standard No. 102 Transmission Shift Lever Sequence, Starter Interlock,
and Transmission Braking Effect
Standard No. 103 Windshield Defrosting and Defogging Systems
Standard No. 104 Windshield Wiping and Washing Systems
Standard No. 105 Hydraulic and Electric Brake Systems
Standard No. 106 Brake Hoses
Standard No. 108 Lamps, Reflective Devices, and Associated Equipment
Standard No. 109 New Pneumatic Tires for Passenger Cars
Standard No. 110 Tire Selection and Rims for Passenger Cars
Standard No. 111 Rearview Mirrors
Standard No. 112 [Reserved] Requirements moved to Standard No. 108 -
Headlamp Concealment Devices
Standard No. 113 Hood Latch System
Standard No. 114 Theft Protection
Standard No. 115 [Reserved] Requirements moved to Part 565 - Vehicle
Identification Number (VIN)
Standard No. 116 Motor Vehicle Brake Fluids
Standard No. 117 Retreaded Pneumatic Tires
Standard No. 118 Power-Operated Window, Partition, and Roof Panel
Systems
Standard No. 119 New Pneumatic Tires for Vehicles Other Than Passenger
Cars
Standard No. 120 Tire Selection and Rims for Motor Vehicles Other Than
Passenger Cars
Standard No. 121 Air Brake Systems
Standard No. 122 Motorcycle Brake Systems
Standard No. 125 Motorcycle Controls and Displays
Standard No. 124 Accelerator Control Systems
Standard No. 125 Warning Devices
Standard No. 126 [Reserved] Requirements moved to Part 575.103
Truck-Camper Loading
Standard No. 129 New Non-Pneumatic Tires for Passenger Cars -
New Temporary Spare Non-Pneumatic Tires for Use on Passenger Cars
Standard No. 131 School Bus Pedestrian Safety Devices
Standard No. 135 Light Vehicle Brake Systems
Standard No. 201 Occupant Protection in Interior Impact
Standard No. 202 Head Restraints
Standard No. 203 Impact Protection for the Driver from the Steering
Control System
Standard No. 204 Steering Control Rearward Displacement
Standard No. 205 Glazing Materials
Standard No. 206 Door Locks and Door Retention Components
Standard No. 207 Seating Systems
Standard No. 208 Occupant Crash Protection
Standard No. 209 Seat Belt Assemblies
Standard No. 210 Seat Belt Assembly Anchorages
Standard No. 212 Windshield Mounting
Standard No. 213 Child Restraint Systems
Standard No. 214 Side Impact Protection
Standard No. 216 Roof Crush Resistance
Standard No. 217 Bus Emergency Exits and Window Retention and Release
Standard No. 218 Motorcycle Helmets
Standard No. 219 Windshield Zone Intrusion
Standard No. 220 School Bus Rollover Protection
Standard No. 221 School Bus Body Joint Strength
Standard No. 222 School Bus Passenger Seating and Crash Protection
Standard No. 223 Rear Impact Guards
Standard No. 224 Rear Impact Protection
Standard No. 301 Fuel System Integrity
Standard No. 302 Flammability of Interior Materials
Standard No. 303 Fuel System Integrity of Compressed Natural Gas
Vehicles
Standard No. 304 Compressed Natural Gas Fuel Container Integrity
Standard No. 500 Low Speed Vehicles
and so on..

nospampls20021: your final remark is that you recommend that we all
learn how to drive (like Mr. Smith) and ignore the work the NHTSA is
doing to make OUR cars safer and making us more aware of the
importance of being responsible and keeping them updated. Iím sorry
nospampls20021, I usually like to say nice things about people, but I
find that this remark is irresponsible. Nothing personal, really.
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Old 30 Sep 2005, 02:46 am   #5 (permalink)
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tbober wrote:
> Last year, I was looking at Consumer Reports at the marks they gave
> the recent Camrys. They rated their transmissions with the highest
> scores. I don't know how they concluded this. The NHTSA and many
> other sources list scores of complaints about the recent Camry
> transmissions; it seems MORE than any other car in history. Even
> Toyota has TSBs (Technical Service Bulletins) that relate to
> transmission problems. My point is, again, you should check your
> FACTS, and SOURCES, before making remarks.


As I said before: I think that you should divide the number of complaints by
the number of cars sold to be able to compare.
Otherwise, you'll conclude that Ferrari builds the most reliable cars "in
history"...

Luc K


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Old 30 Sep 2005, 01:36 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"" wrote:
> tbober wrote:
> > Last year, I was looking at Consumer Reports at the marks

> they gave
> > the recent Camrys. They rated their transmissions with the

> highest
> > scores. I don't know how they concluded this. The NHTSA

> and many
> > other sources list scores of complaints about the recent

> Camry
> > transmissions; it seems MORE than any other car in history.

> Even
> > Toyota has TSBs (Technical Service Bulletins) that relate to
> > transmission problems. My point is, again, you should check

> your
> > FACTS, and SOURCES, before making remarks.

>
> As I said before: I think that you should divide the number of
> complaints by
> the number of cars sold to be able to compare.
> Otherwise, you'll conclude that Ferrari builds the most
> reliable cars "in
> history"...
>
> Luc K


What is valid more than comparing sheer numbers is verifying more than
one of the same complaint that spans more than one year. Any
complaint that includes accidents and injuries that are not recognized
by the manufacturer is abhorrent. TSBs generated by complaints are
the most valid measure of validity. The worst situation is to have a
dealer deny that a problem exists when it is clearly documented with
one of their TSBs. That is called fraud. Facts, sources and
verifiable evidence. Iím no lawyer, but I use common sense.

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