2001 Solara 3.0 - Burning Oil Smell Inside at Idle, No Visible Leak

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Old 11 Oct 2005, 02:35 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default 2001 Solara 3.0 - Burning Oil Smell Inside at Idle, No Visible Leak

My wife's 2001 3.0 Solara has begun having a slight smell of
hot/burning oil coming through the venilation system when the car is
warmed up and standing still. When moving the smell goes away.

We have had the car up on the lift and cannot identify and source of
leaking oil that could be causing this.

Any ideas?

Paul
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 03:05 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:35:58 +0000, pj.chris@verizon.net wrote:

> My wife's 2001 3.0 Solara has begun having a slight smell of
> hot/burning oil coming through the venilation system when the car is
> warmed up and standing still. When moving the smell goes away.
>
> We have had the car up on the lift and cannot identify and source of
> leaking oil that could be causing this.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Paul


Wow...this could be a lot of things.

Was the car RUNNING when you had it on the lift? Remember, the oil system
gets pressurized, and what may NOT be leaking at a stop or idle may gush
under pressure.

Are all the oil pan bolts tight?

Are you SURE it's oil? Could be tranny fluid. When they burn they smell
similar. Check your tranny cooling lines.

Valve cover gaskets OK? Again, under pressure, things may leak that don't
when stopped.


These are the obvious things. These problems SUCK! But, usually when this
has happened to me in the past, it was the oil pan coming loose. Happened
4 times on four different Toyotas.

Also, check the gasket on the oil filter.

BTW, how many miles? If you can't figure this problrm out, I will gladly
take this car off your hands, and all it will cost you is $125. BTW, what
color is it?

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Old 12 Oct 2005, 06:53 am   #3 (permalink)
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pj.chris@verizon.net, 10/11/2005, 3:35:58 PM,
<5q4ok1dcjfc6kg8snsbeq3mhe6n74hh82l@4ax.com> wrote:

> My wife's 2001 3.0 Solara has begun having a slight smell of
> hot/burning oil coming through the venilation system when the car is
> warmed up and standing still. When moving the smell goes away.
>
> We have had the car up on the lift and cannot identify and source of
> leaking oil that could be causing this.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Paul


My 97 Camry 4 has this same exact problem. I used to think it was the
smell of exhaust but your description is more accurate. Does this
smell occur only when you are sitting still and the fan is on?

I have no oil leaks and the dealer found nothing. I think they just
didn't look for anything.

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Old 12 Oct 2005, 11:11 am   #4 (permalink)
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badgolferman wrote:
> pj.chris@verizon.net, 10/11/2005, 3:35:58 PM,
> <5q4ok1dcjfc6kg8snsbeq3mhe6n74hh82l@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>
>>My wife's 2001 3.0 Solara has begun having a slight smell of
>>hot/burning oil coming through the venilation system when the car is
>>warmed up and standing still. When moving the smell goes away.
>>
>>We have had the car up on the lift and cannot identify and source of
>>leaking oil that could be causing this.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Paul

>This is conjecture: I had a '97 Camry and am driving a '00, both with 4 cyl. If you do not oil the rubber ring on the oil filter and wipe the seat clean- I like paper towel- at installation it might be possible for a slight deformation to form that would allow a drop at a time to escape. The 4 cyl has flanges on the block below the filter that can catch a little oil. If this is not possible on the 3 liter maybe the drip lands on part of the exaust lines and would smoke-burn away quickly with no trace? At idle and sitting still the smoke trace would pretty much surround the front of the car, but in too small amount to be visible. ??? When I change my oil, any drips or spills make breathing difficult for a little while. Airflow helps a lot.
>
> My 97 Camry 4 has this same exact problem. I used to think it was the
> smell of exhaust but your description is more accurate. Does this
> smell occur only when you are sitting still and the fan is on?
>
> I have no oil leaks and the dealer found nothing. I think they just
> didn't look for anything.
>

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Old 12 Oct 2005, 11:20 am   #5 (permalink)
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Charlie, 10/12/2005, 12:11:29 PM, <U6KdnWKIfbixq9DeRVn-hg@comcast.com>
wrote:

> badgolferman wrote:
> > pj.chris@verizon.net, 10/11/2005, 3:35:58 PM,
> ><5q4ok1dcjfc6kg8snsbeq3mhe6n74hh82l@4ax.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > My wife's 2001 3.0 Solara has begun having a slight smell of
> > > hot/burning oil coming through the venilation system when the car
> > > is warmed up and standing still. When moving the smell goes away.
> > >
> > > We have had the car up on the lift and cannot identify and source
> > > of leaking oil that could be causing this.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Paul


> > My 97 Camry 4 has this
> > same exact problem. I used to think it was the smell of exhaust
> > but your description is more accurate. Does this smell occur only
> > when you are sitting still and the fan is on?
> >
> > I have no oil leaks and the dealer found nothing. I think they just
> > didn't look for anything.


> This is conjecture: I had a '97 Camry and am driving a '00, both
> with 4 cyl. If you do not oil the rubber ring on the oil filter
> and wipe the seat clean- I like paper towel- at installation it
> might be possible for a slight deformation to form that would allow
> a drop at a time to escape. The 4 cyl has flanges on the block
> below the filter that can catch a little oil. If this is not
> possible on the 3 liter maybe the drip lands on part of the exaust
> lines and would smoke-burn away quickly with no trace? At idle
> and sitting still the smoke trace would pretty much surround the
> front of the car, but in too small amount to be visible. ??? When
> I change my oil, any drips or spills make breathing difficult for
> a little while. Airflow helps a lot.


In my case it is definitely not the oil filter. This odor is present
at all times when the vehicle is standing still and the fan is on. It
doesn't matter how long it's been between oil changes and there is no
oil consumption.




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Old 12 Oct 2005, 04:53 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On 12 Oct 2005 16:20:38 GMT, "badgolferman"
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

>Charlie, 10/12/2005, 12:11:29 PM, <U6KdnWKIfbixq9DeRVn-hg@comcast.com>
>wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote:
>> > pj.chris@verizon.net, 10/11/2005, 3:35:58 PM,
>> ><5q4ok1dcjfc6kg8snsbeq3mhe6n74hh82l@4ax.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > My wife's 2001 3.0 Solara has begun having a slight smell of
>> > > hot/burning oil coming through the venilation system when the car
>> > > is warmed up and standing still. When moving the smell goes away.
>> > >
>> > > We have had the car up on the lift and cannot identify and source
>> > > of leaking oil that could be causing this.
>> > >
>> > > Any ideas?
>> > >
>> > > Paul

>
>> > My 97 Camry 4 has this
>> > same exact problem. I used to think it was the smell of exhaust
>> > but your description is more accurate. Does this smell occur only
>> > when you are sitting still and the fan is on?
>> >
>> > I have no oil leaks and the dealer found nothing. I think they just
>> > didn't look for anything.

>
>> This is conjecture: I had a '97 Camry and am driving a '00, both
>> with 4 cyl. If you do not oil the rubber ring on the oil filter
>> and wipe the seat clean- I like paper towel- at installation it
>> might be possible for a slight deformation to form that would allow
>> a drop at a time to escape. The 4 cyl has flanges on the block
>> below the filter that can catch a little oil. If this is not
>> possible on the 3 liter maybe the drip lands on part of the exaust
>> lines and would smoke-burn away quickly with no trace? At idle
>> and sitting still the smoke trace would pretty much surround the
>> front of the car, but in too small amount to be visible. ??? When
>> I change my oil, any drips or spills make breathing difficult for
>> a little while. Airflow helps a lot.

>
>In my case it is definitely not the oil filter. This odor is present
>at all times when the vehicle is standing still and the fan is on. It
>doesn't matter how long it's been between oil changes and there is no
>oil consumption.


I'm responding to all the responses to date. No, the car was not
running on the lift. There is no physical evidence of leakage down
the faces of the heads/block, so I think we can rule out the valve
cover gaskets. The area around the bottom of the oil filter is dry
and no evidence there of oil spillage/leakage.

Now, the idea of a very slightly loose oil pan combined with a
pressurized block when running might be the solution. If it's blowing
a tiny amount of air out past the gasket with some oil vapor in the
air, it might be enough to make the smell as it hits the exhaust
manifold or pipe, depending on where this is happening.

Does anyone know the proper torque amount for the pan bolts?

Now, one other interesting thing, is that about 6" of the rear engine
cradle arms (those behind the engine and attached back behind the
wheels) both are covered on the bottom (only) with a very thick black
substance that looks a lot like undercoating, but the car has never
been undercoated. No other part of the bottom of the car has this
coating. You can wipe some of it off with a finger and its like a tar
substance.

I'm surmising that this might be the remains of oil spray from the pan
on both sides?

The hot/burned oil spell only occurs when the car is at a standstill
and the ventilation system is running.

Paul
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 09:00 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:53:24 +0000, pj.chris@verizon.net wrote:

> Now, one other interesting thing, is that about 6" of the rear engine
> cradle arms (those behind the engine and attached back behind the
> wheels) both are covered on the bottom (only) with a very thick black
> substance that looks a lot like undercoating, but the car has never
> been undercoated. No other part of the bottom of the car has this
> coating. You can wipe some of it off with a finger and its like a tar
> substance.



First, my 1980 Corolla. Losing oil, but obviously not burning it.
Looking under the hood at work, an inspector points to the A arms and
said, that looks like oil to me!

In '86, after tighening the oil pan 3 times in 6 years, I trade it for an
'86 Corolla. Guess what?! So, every 3-4th oil change, I check the bolts
(After I tightend them the second time they never came loose again...that
was about 200,000 miles ago!)

Last year, I bought an '88 Supra. Guess what?! Only problem is, the oil
pan was tight! All except maybe three bolts. i tightened them up, and the
leaking has slowed, but it still leaks.

What you are seeing is the spray escaping from the seal, mixing with dirt,
sand and road grime and becoming the tar-like substance you're seeing.
You won't need to worry about rust for a while!


Now, Toyotas don't (or didn't) have pan gaskets. I think in my Supra's
case, somebody removed the oil pan and put in a cork gasket, and it has
developed gaps. Check with the Toyota dealer; if there is enough room, and
there is a gasket, loosen the bolts and replace the gasket. (although I
never had to do this before....over 200,000 on two cars without ever
replacing or regooping...). You may have to 'goop' it, use whatever Toyota
recommends. Or, just tighten them up and see what happens! Like I said,
two cars well over 200,000!


Good luck...I'd like to know how this turns out!

Oh, and my offer is still good...$125 and I'll take it off your hands!!!
I LIKE Solaras

But that Supra sure looks like it's going to be a PITA...

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Old 13 Oct 2005, 07:39 am   #8 (permalink)
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OK. Assuming I have a loose pan or loose bolts, what is the proper
torque for the pan bolts?

Paul
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 11:36 am   #9 (permalink)
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:39:25 +0000, pj.chris@verizon.net wrote:

> OK. Assuming I have a loose pan or loose bolts, what is the proper
> torque for the pan bolts?
>
> Paul


Tight? I have no idea. I just tighten them! i do it in a criss-cross
pattern. That's all I know...

Sorry...

But be careful, either the bolts or the noles they thread into are SOFT!!!
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Old 19 Oct 2005, 07:57 am   #10 (permalink)
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I have checked the oil filter, engine oil pan and transmission pan
bolts. All are tight and no sign of oil leakage from any of them.

If I get a chance, I'm going to clean the engine block and engine
carrage frame and then watch for evidence of oil blow by.

Paul
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