Toy 97 Rav4 Insufficient EGR Flow - P0401

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Old 05 Dec 2005, 04:07 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default Toy 97 Rav4 Insufficient EGR Flow - P0401

An OBD2 scan has revealed that my check engine light is being caused by


"Insufficient EGR Flow"


Looking at the suggestion found at
http://experts.about.com/q/832/4142992.htm?zIr=5#r i tried pulling the
modulator (which I think is the plastic piece that has 1 vacuum tube
going to the EGR, one out the bottom, and two more out the side going
who knows where) I tried blowing air into the bottom of the modulator.
Air goes through regardless of which one of the upper vacuum holes I
cover. I'm guessing its broken.


I've called my favorite parts house, and they can't find anything named



"EGR Modulator Valve" or anything similar. Am I calling this the wrong


thing? Am I going down the right path here?


-Josh

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Old 05 Dec 2005, 07:29 pm   #2 (permalink)
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No.

You're going down the wrong path here. This is the Camry group. The correct
path would be the Rav4 Group.

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"Josh Rogers" <SilverFox541@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> An OBD2 scan has revealed that my check engine light is being caused by
>
>
> "Insufficient EGR Flow"
>
>
> Looking at the suggestion found at
> http://experts.about.com/q/832/4142992.htm?zIr=5#r i tried pulling the
> modulator (which I think is the plastic piece that has 1 vacuum tube
> going to the EGR, one out the bottom, and two more out the side going
> who knows where) I tried blowing air into the bottom of the modulator.
> Air goes through regardless of which one of the upper vacuum holes I
> cover. I'm guessing its broken.
>
>
> I've called my favorite parts house, and they can't find anything named
>
>
>
> "EGR Modulator Valve" or anything similar. Am I calling this the wrong
>
>
> thing? Am I going down the right path here?
>
>
> -Josh
>



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Old 05 Dec 2005, 09:03 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:07:48 -0800, Josh Rogers wrote:

> An OBD2 scan has revealed that my check engine light is being caused by
>
>
> "Insufficient EGR Flow"
>
>
> Looking at the suggestion found at
> http://experts.about.com/q/832/4142992.htm?zIr=5#r i tried pulling the
> modulator (which I think is the plastic piece that has 1 vacuum tube
> going to the EGR, one out the bottom, and two more out the side going
> who knows where) I tried blowing air into the bottom of the modulator.
> Air goes through regardless of which one of the upper vacuum holes I
> cover. I'm guessing its broken.
>
>
> I've called my favorite parts house, and they can't find anything named
>
>
>
> "EGR Modulator Valve" or anything similar. Am I calling this the wrong
>
>
> thing? Am I going down the right path here?
>
>
> -Josh



1. Had the same problem with a Tercel. Cleaned all the vacuum lines; code
went away
2. Try alt.autos.toyota ...if you can get past the Trolls and the OT posts...

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Old 06 Dec 2005, 06:16 am   #4 (permalink)
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Toyota calls that thing an 'EGR vacuum modulator', but you aren't going at
it the right way. The modulators themselves rarely fail, and the test you
performed tells you nothing of its operation. The normal culprit with the
modulator is the small air filter in under the round lid. Pop the top cap
off and see if the filter element is melted or clogged. Sometimes it can
be blown out and cleaned, sometimes it needs to be replaced. You can't get
the filter by itself anymore, but you can cut out a small piece from a fish
tank filter and it'll work like a charm.
The other usual suspect would be the EGR valve itself. If you have a
vacuum pump/gauge you can test it by applying vacuum to the small line
going to the top of the valve. If it is clean and operational, it will
stall your engine from idle when you do this.
But try the filter angle first. If you need a hand post. And you have
the same engine as Camrys, so when these people bitch to you about posting
in the wrong forum, tell 'em to screw.

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Old 10 Dec 2005, 04:32 pm   #5 (permalink)
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I was helping a couple of owners to diagnose EGR problem. One turned
out to be the VSV that operates the EGR valve, the other turned out to
be dirty throttle body with vacuum ports plugged up. Here were some
exchanges from then, see if this helps:

The modulator usually do not go bad, neither does the EGR valve,
although it may get blocked by soot.

Throttle body:
==============
Air blown into the hoses from the modulator's Ports P and R into the
throttle body should flow freely into the throttle body.

To be tested:
=============

Test 1 -- To rule out VSV as the problem.
Test 2 -- Whether the EGR modulator is indeed the culprit.


Step 1 for VSV:

1A. Disconnect hoses from Port Q at the modulator and at the EGR valve.
This leaves VSV with two long hoses to test. Mark them so you can put
them back in the right places.

1B. With the engine cold, stopped and ignition ON, Port Q hose leading
to the VSV should hold vacuum, use about 15". And blowing through the
EGR valve end of the hose you will hear air coming out of the VSV
filter, which will help you locate it as well.

1C. With the engine warm and at 2500 rpm, Port Q end of the hose should
loose its vacuum automatically as VSV is opened. This means the Port Q
hose now opens all the way to the EGR valve end of the hose.

This confirms VSV and its control circuit is working; otherwise the VSV
or the vacuum hoses leading VSV to are leaking or VSV is not energized.
Verify proper electrical connection to VSV. Clean or change the VSV and
hoses.

Step 2 for VSV while also checking out modulator:

2A. Now your engine is warm in diagnostics mode from Method 1, tee Port
R of the modulator to the MAP hose (getting full engine vacuum now).

2B. At 2500 rpm, you should measure about 13" at Port Q of the
modulator.

If the numbers are the same at Port Q of the modulator and at the EGR
end of the hose, then VSV is working.

But if Port Q of the modulator shows a higher vacuum than at the EGR
valve, then the VSV or the vacuum hoses leading to VSV are leaking.
Clean or change the VSV and hoses. In this case of higher vacuum at
Port Q, a direct hose from Port Q to the EGR valve should cause the
engine to run rough in the diagnostics mode at 2500 rpm. If not, you
may have problems at both VSV and modulator.



Josh Rogers wrote:
> An OBD2 scan has revealed that my check engine light is being caused by
>
>
> "Insufficient EGR Flow"
>
>
> Looking at the suggestion found at
> http://experts.about.com/q/832/4142992.htm?zIr=5#r i tried pulling the
> modulator (which I think is the plastic piece that has 1 vacuum tube
> going to the EGR, one out the bottom, and two more out the side going
> who knows where) I tried blowing air into the bottom of the modulator.
> Air goes through regardless of which one of the upper vacuum holes I
> cover. I'm guessing its broken.
>
>
> I've called my favorite parts house, and they can't find anything named
>
>
>
> "EGR Modulator Valve" or anything similar. Am I calling this the wrong
>
>
> thing? Am I going down the right path here?
>
>
> -Josh


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